4. Like I said, it took Altman 28 years to reach the Final Four. Does anybody realistically think it will take Hopkins that long given the massively impressive turn around he's pulled off his first two seasons at UW? If Hopkins whoops Altman's ass in his 3rd year as a head coach versus Altman's 30th year as a head coach, does that not suggest he's better than him and has a higher upside? I think it does. Altman is a slightly above average head coach and that's it. In 30 years, he has never ascended to elite status. Hopkins has the upside as a coach and recruiter to be elite. I would take Hopkins over Altman every single time and it's an easy choice.
uh, no? it means he has a better team than he does at that time. If Hopkins goes on to do those great things you prognosticate that he will do, and those things add up to more than what Altman has done, sure, then he's a better coach.
goes back to what I said before. your argument is all based on what you think he's going to do based on a good and quick turnaround. but coaches often come in and clean up a mess and improve on what was there before. it doesn't follow, or even make it likely, that they're going to go on and dominate. Hopkins is a good coach who has done very little as a head coach. Altman has taken Oregon where he has taken them and is currently the best head coach in the conference. Hopkins won't be the best head coach in the conference until he is. And last season is not the thing on which I'd base my argument for Hopkins, given how well Altman had Oregon playing and how badly Washington lost to them in the tournament (after merely splitting the season games with them).
like I said to dnc, nobody here is saying Dana Altman is the second coming of John Wooden. try and be reasonable at least once in a while. 'above average' is just something somebody stupid would say given his record at Oregon.
this 3rd year and 30th year thing is meaningless. they're at the same level. you don't get points for how long you've been at it. NOFC. what? do you want me to handicap it for Hopkins because Altman has been coaching longer? WFCs? if Hopkins achieves more over 30, then we can revisit this and you can be right ... at that time.
but, alas, today is today Hilltop. all the conjecture in the world doesn't change the facts today.
and, holy shit, that championship game. great season.
The main reason I wanted Williams is because he has neck tats and two kids by 16, he’s already a grown man.
Not sure those two things qualify a kid as a "grown man". Both signs of immaturity and poor decision making skills.
Firstly, I think he was joking. We makes jokes outside of the hood.
Secondly, we? didn't mind when Curtis Williams ("I love you buddy!") was roaming the secondary in Montlake, and he had all kinds of judgment issues.
Joke didn't hit the mark if that was the case.
I was like 8 years old when Curtis Williams was at UW. Never saw any of those guys Neuheisel guys play. Williams certainly wouldn't be recruited by Petersen and company. Your current basketball coach knowingly played guys accused of gang rape.
For the sake of pure schadenfreude, I read the whole damned police report after it was published somewhere. I had my pitchfork all sharpened and my torch all soaked in kerosene, but reading the report did not return the expected results. The more I read, the more I was both grossed out and surprised at how sympathetic I became to the players' defense. It's hard to draw any conclusion from the police report other than: 1.) This is filth that would tarnish even Sven's brand (NTTAWWT), and 2.) this was consensual filth that the girl later regretted. If you want to kick guys out of school or off a basketball team because they're "yucky," I guess that's up to the AD and the fans that buy tickets, but I couldn't see where any laws--or even school policies--were broken/violated.
There are roughly 85,000,000 gang bang videos on the internet. I'm sure at least a handful of the poor women in those videos regretted it after the fact. Some of these women were almost certainly legitimately drugged/coerced/etc. into doing something they didn't want to do, and this is a serious issue. The others were just victims of their own poor choices. The Oregon basketball case, at least by all available evidence, seems more like the latter than the former--and this coming from a total #metoo hippy liberal pussy who's very close to a victim of campus rape before it became a big issue. I REALLY wanted to hate those players based off the headlines, but it ended up being more of a "those guys are fucking gross" and move on kind of a thing.
Point is, Altman had no idea if the accusation was legit or not. Any coach with integrity would suspend those players immediately and indefinitely until the investigation into the allegation is finished. He did nothing and allowed them to keep playing until the Oregon athletic department suspended the players themselves. That's some Art Briles shit.
Also, one of the players accused was under investigation for sexual assault at a previous school before transferring to Oregon. Altman is trash.
Altman is a great coach. You'd shave your pussy to have him. Sometimes you gotta give credit where it's due.
The hell I would! Hopkins was the conference coach of the year at UW his first two seasons as a head coach, took us from worst in the Pac to a tournament team in two years, and he's a monster recruiter. Fuck Altman. Hop is gonna spank Altman's pasty white ass this season.
That's a lot of trash talk on behalf of a coach who got RAPED by the other coach this great season you reference.
Altman has a body of work. Hopkins is a good coach, but he has some work to do before I'd say he's better than Altman.
You won't have to wait long. Just tune in this season.
UW gonna make the final 4 this season? Lol
Never said anything like that. Just that Hopkin's team is gonna mop the court with Altman's team in Hopkin's third year on the job.
It was in reference to Altman having a better body of work than Hopkins. Until hop makes the final four, there is no discussion.
UW basketball has one decent year that ended with getting blown out in Vegas and blown out in the 2nd round of the tourney. It’s a good start but still a long ways to go before you can even compare hop to Dana or even Sean Miller
Not at all. How long has Altman been on the job? 9 years. If Hopkins and UW are better than Oregon and Altman in Hopkins' third year on the job, I think it's safe to say Hopkins is the better coach.
Altman has been a D1 head coach since 1989. Took him 28 years to get to a Final Four. It's pretty obvious Hopkins has more upside.
Altman has been coaching. Hopkins has been a backup. One has been in the game; the other has been a "hold my beer" guy. Great comparison.
Altman has been to the Final 4 and coached Oregon out of the cellar to make another run in the tournament this season. Hopkins and Washington shit themselves. Not the year to be making this argument.
I've noticed 95% of your points are based on your own personal speculation about the future. Not much more. Hood rat trash talk is really all you have.
I only stated facts and you prefer to ignore them. Hopkins was Pac-12 coach of the year over Altman twice, his first two seasons as a head coach. That's a fact. We have two coaches that we're comparing. One has been a head coach for 30 years. The other, 2 years. The only reasonable way to compare them is to consider Hopkins' trajectory and upside as a coach. Hopkins' upside is clearly higher than Altman's. It won't take Hopkins 28 years to get to the Final Four and like I said, UW will mop the court with Oregon's shit team this season.
UW didn't shit themselves last season. They were coached to make it exactly as far as their talent level could possibly take them and then lost to a much more talented UNC team in the tournament.
Yeah sure, you would have said the same thing prior to the 2016 football season when I was saying UW was gonna whoop Oregon's ass. There are certain facts in the past and present that make certain things in the future more likely. Hopkins can coach his ass off and is an elite recruiter. Those two things and UW's meteoric turnaround suggest he's on his way to becoming one of the best head coaches in college basketball.
No, my Tacoma-dwelling friend. You post conjecture, and have forgotten more about ignoring inconvenient facts than I'll ever know.
Sure, I'm not going to take you on point by point. Fuck, you say so much stupid shit I'd be typing all day.
1. Again, you have no proof and not even a rumor or example. Just wild speculation and slander towards a head coach in Don James who was loved by everyone he came in contact with. If your only argument is "it was a different time back then and shit got buried", the same thing can be said about Oregon or any other school at that time so what's your fucking point? You don't have one.
2. I ain't scared of fucking football players bitch. I was a football player growing up. I ain't scared of thugs either. Stop projecting your own insecurity onto me.
3. Now you're bouncing around from Don James to the Neuheisal era grasping at straws. That's nothing nobody doesn't fucking already know about. We all know those team were loaded with scumbags and we're glad those days are over with Petersen. That's old fucking news.
4. Like I already said, when you get a new coaching staff, it's a clean slate. Altman is still your head coach, so those rape allegations and his inaction will continue to be brought up. One of those players that was accused had transferred to Oregon to run away from a sexual assault accusation at a previous school. What do you have to say about that? Was that player just so unlucky that every school he attended he just so happened to be accused of sexual assault when he did nothing wrong? He must be the unluckiest motherfucker to walk the earth if that's the case. What do you have to say about Altman recruiting someone with a history of sexual assault allegations against him hmmmm? The alleged victim won her case against Oregon for $800,000. Obviously the University of Oregon felt there was wrongdoing against her and the university was liable due to Altman's actions of knowingly recruiting a player who had a previous sexual assault allegation against him.
The main reason I wanted Williams is because he has neck tats and two kids by 16, he’s already a grown man.
Not sure those two things qualify a kid as a "grown man". Both signs of immaturity and poor decision making skills.
Firstly, I think he was joking. We makes jokes outside of the hood.
Secondly, we? didn't mind when Curtis Williams ("I love you buddy!") was roaming the secondary in Montlake, and he had all kinds of judgment issues.
Joke didn't hit the mark if that was the case.
I was like 8 years old when Curtis Williams was at UW. Never saw any of those guys Neuheisel guys play. Williams certainly wouldn't be recruited by Petersen and company. Your current basketball coach knowingly played guys accused of gang rape.
For the sake of pure schadenfreude, I read the whole damned police report after it was published somewhere. I had my pitchfork all sharpened and my torch all soaked in kerosene, but reading the report did not return the expected results. The more I read, the more I was both grossed out and surprised at how sympathetic I became to the players' defense. It's hard to draw any conclusion from the police report other than: 1.) This is filth that would tarnish even Sven's brand (NTTAWWT), and 2.) this was consensual filth that the girl later regretted. If you want to kick guys out of school or off a basketball team because they're "yucky," I guess that's up to the AD and the fans that buy tickets, but I couldn't see where any laws--or even school policies--were broken/violated.
There are roughly 85,000,000 gang bang videos on the internet. I'm sure at least a handful of the poor women in those videos regretted it after the fact. Some of these women were almost certainly legitimately drugged/coerced/etc. into doing something they didn't want to do, and this is a serious issue. The others were just victims of their own poor choices. The Oregon basketball case, at least by all available evidence, seems more like the latter than the former--and this coming from a total #metoo hippy liberal pussy who's very close to a victim of campus rape before it became a big issue. I REALLY wanted to hate those players based off the headlines, but it ended up being more of a "those guys are fucking gross" and move on kind of a thing.
Point is, Altman had no idea if the accusation was legit or not. Any coach with integrity would suspend those players immediately and indefinitely until the investigation into the allegation is finished. He did nothing and allowed them to keep playing until the Oregon athletic department suspended the players themselves. That's some Art Briles shit.
Also, one of the players accused was under investigation for sexual assault at a previous school before transferring to Oregon. Altman is trash.
Altman is a great coach. You'd shave your pussy to have him. Sometimes you gotta give credit where it's due.
The hell I would! Hopkins was the conference coach of the year at UW his first two seasons as a head coach, took us from worst in the Pac to a tournament team in two years, and he's a monster recruiter. Fuck Altman. Hop is gonna spank Altman's pasty white ass this season.
That's a lot of trash talk on behalf of a coach who got RAPED by the other coach this great season you reference.
Altman has a body of work. Hopkins is a good coach, but he has some work to do before I'd say he's better than Altman.
You won't have to wait long. Just tune in this season.
UW gonna make the final 4 this season? Lol
Never said anything like that. Just that Hopkin's team is gonna mop the court with Altman's team in Hopkin's third year on the job.
It was in reference to Altman having a better body of work than Hopkins. Until hop makes the final four, there is no discussion.
UW basketball has one decent year that ended with getting blown out in Vegas and blown out in the 2nd round of the tourney. It’s a good start but still a long ways to go before you can even compare hop to Dana or even Sean Miller
Not at all. How long has Altman been on the job? 9 years. If Hopkins and UW are better than Oregon and Altman in Hopkins' third year on the job, I think it's safe to say Hopkins is the better coach.
Altman has been a D1 head coach since 1989. Took him 28 years to get to a Final Four. It's pretty obvious Hopkins has more upside.
Altman has been coaching. Hopkins has been a backup. One has been in the game; the other has been a "hold my beer" guy. Great comparison.
Altman has been to the Final 4 and coached Oregon out of the cellar to make another run in the tournament this season. Hopkins and Washington shit themselves. Not the year to be making this argument.
I've noticed 95% of your points are based on your own personal speculation about the future. Not much more. Hood rat trash talk is really all you have.
I only stated facts and you prefer to ignore them. Hopkins was Pac-12 coach of the year over Altman twice, his first two seasons as a head coach. That's a fact. We have two coaches that we're comparing. One has been a head coach for 30 years. The other, 2 years. The only reasonable way to compare them is to consider Hopkins' trajectory and upside as a coach. Hopkins' upside is clearly higher than Altman's. It won't take Hopkins 28 years to get to the Final Four and like I said, UW will mop the court with Oregon's shit team this season.
UW didn't shit themselves last season. They were coached to make it exactly as far as their talent level could possibly take them and then lost to a much more talented UNC team in the tournament.
Yeah sure, you would have said the same thing prior to the 2016 football season when I was saying UW was gonna whoop Oregon's ass. There are certain facts in the past and present that make certain things in the future more likely. Hopkins can coach his ass off and is an elite recruiter. Those two things and UW's meteoric turnaround suggest he's on his way to becoming one of the best head coaches in college basketball.
No, my Tacoma-dwelling friend. You post conjecture, and have forgotten more about ignoring inconvenient facts than I'll ever know.
Sure, I'm not going to take you on point by point. Fuck, you say so much stupid shit I'd be typing all day.
Fuck off.
Yeah that's what I thought bitch. You can never go toe to toe with me bitch. Fuck outta here. Like I said, you want to wait until this season to watch Hopkins whoop Altman's ass? Go ahead.
1. Again, you have no proof and not even a rumor or example. Just wild speculation and slander towards a head coach in Don James who was loved by everyone he came in contact with. If your only argument is "it was a different time back then and shit got buried", the same thing can be said about Oregon or any other school at that time so what's your fucking point? You don't have one.
2. I ain't scared of fucking football players bitch. I was a football player growing up. I ain't scared of thugs either. Stop projecting your own insecurity onto me.
3. Now you're bouncing around from Don James to the Neuheisal era grasping at straws. That's nothing nobody doesn't fucking no about. We all know those team were loaded with scumbags and we're glad those days are over with Petersen. That's old fucking news.
4. Like I already said, when you get a new coaching staff, it's a clean slate. Altman is still your head coach, so those rape allegations and his inaction will continue to be brought up. One of those players that was accused had transferred to Oregon to run away from a sexual assault accusation at a previous school. What do you have to say about that? Was that player just so unlucky that every school he attended he just so happened to be accused of sexual assault? He must be the unluckiest motherfucker to walk the earth if that's the case. What do you have to say about Altman recruiting someone with a history of sexual assault allegations against him hmmmm? The alleged victim won her case against Oregon for $800,000. Obviously the University of Oregon felt there was wrongdoing against her and the university was liable due to Altman's actions of knowingly recruiting a player who had a previous sexual assault allegation against him.
got it. you're Tacoma tuff.
have you even bothered to look up the shit that happened at Washington during DJ's tenure that was reported and dealt with? that will give you a notion of what went on in that program. Conklin, Lang, and Pierce are guys off the top of my head who did shit that could have landed them in jail for a long time except that it didn't. i'm not going to argue with you about this. you just don't want to know, and I in fact know. as to RN, as Race said, those players were recruited in large measure by DJ's long-time DC who took over after DJ retired. put it together.
clean slate. got it.
PS; the "alleged victim" didn't win her case. they settled. big difference I've settled disputes for much more money than that in situations where we were entirely in the right. it's called avoiding the hazards of litigation. and at least one source reported that Altman and the AD were advised by police to avoid taking action against the players while the investigation was underway. probably because once you read the police report you realize you're reading an "i'm sorry" letter from some girl to her parents. JFC at least do some light research. they paid her off to avoid protracted publicity over this, and because you never know what will happen in court.
I'm not aware of the facts of the other matter you raise. If Altman purposefully recruited someone who had credible (important word) evidence against him that he'd sexually assaulted someone, then sure, I'd fault him for that.
again, a bunch of black athletes get accused of rape, again, and you're the first one to grab a torch. your parents must be ashamed of you. your people sure are.
The main reason I wanted Williams is because he has neck tats and two kids by 16, he’s already a grown man.
Not sure those two things qualify a kid as a "grown man". Both signs of immaturity and poor decision making skills.
Firstly, I think he was joking. We makes jokes outside of the hood.
Secondly, we? didn't mind when Curtis Williams ("I love you buddy!") was roaming the secondary in Montlake, and he had all kinds of judgment issues.
Joke didn't hit the mark if that was the case.
I was like 8 years old when Curtis Williams was at UW. Never saw any of those guys Neuheisel guys play. Williams certainly wouldn't be recruited by Petersen and company. Your current basketball coach knowingly played guys accused of gang rape.
For the sake of pure schadenfreude, I read the whole damned police report after it was published somewhere. I had my pitchfork all sharpened and my torch all soaked in kerosene, but reading the report did not return the expected results. The more I read, the more I was both grossed out and surprised at how sympathetic I became to the players' defense. It's hard to draw any conclusion from the police report other than: 1.) This is filth that would tarnish even Sven's brand (NTTAWWT), and 2.) this was consensual filth that the girl later regretted. If you want to kick guys out of school or off a basketball team because they're "yucky," I guess that's up to the AD and the fans that buy tickets, but I couldn't see where any laws--or even school policies--were broken/violated.
There are roughly 85,000,000 gang bang videos on the internet. I'm sure at least a handful of the poor women in those videos regretted it after the fact. Some of these women were almost certainly legitimately drugged/coerced/etc. into doing something they didn't want to do, and this is a serious issue. The others were just victims of their own poor choices. The Oregon basketball case, at least by all available evidence, seems more like the latter than the former--and this coming from a total #metoo hippy liberal pussy who's very close to a victim of campus rape before it became a big issue. I REALLY wanted to hate those players based off the headlines, but it ended up being more of a "those guys are fucking gross" and move on kind of a thing.
Point is, Altman had no idea if the accusation was legit or not. Any coach with integrity would suspend those players immediately and indefinitely until the investigation into the allegation is finished. He did nothing and allowed them to keep playing until the Oregon athletic department suspended the players themselves. That's some Art Briles shit.
Also, one of the players accused was under investigation for sexual assault at a previous school before transferring to Oregon. Altman is trash.
Altman is a great coach. You'd shave your pussy to have him. Sometimes you gotta give credit where it's due.
The hell I would! Hopkins was the conference coach of the year at UW his first two seasons as a head coach, took us from worst in the Pac to a tournament team in two years, and he's a monster recruiter. Fuck Altman. Hop is gonna spank Altman's pasty white ass this season.
That's a lot of trash talk on behalf of a coach who got RAPED by the other coach this great season you reference.
Altman has a body of work. Hopkins is a good coach, but he has some work to do before I'd say he's better than Altman.
You won't have to wait long. Just tune in this season.
UW gonna make the final 4 this season? Lol
Never said anything like that. Just that Hopkin's team is gonna mop the court with Altman's team in Hopkin's third year on the job.
It was in reference to Altman having a better body of work than Hopkins. Until hop makes the final four, there is no discussion.
UW basketball has one decent year that ended with getting blown out in Vegas and blown out in the 2nd round of the tourney. It’s a good start but still a long ways to go before you can even compare hop to Dana or even Sean Miller
Not at all. How long has Altman been on the job? 9 years. If Hopkins and UW are better than Oregon and Altman in Hopkins' third year on the job, I think it's safe to say Hopkins is the better coach.
Altman has been a D1 head coach since 1989. Took him 28 years to get to a Final Four. It's pretty obvious Hopkins has more upside.
Altman has been coaching. Hopkins has been a backup. One has been in the game; the other has been a "hold my beer" guy. Great comparison.
Altman has been to the Final 4 and coached Oregon out of the cellar to make another run in the tournament this season. Hopkins and Washington shit themselves. Not the year to be making this argument.
I've noticed 95% of your points are based on your own personal speculation about the future. Not much more. Hood rat trash talk is really all you have.
I only stated facts and you prefer to ignore them. Hopkins was Pac-12 coach of the year over Altman twice, his first two seasons as a head coach. That's a fact. We have two coaches that we're comparing. One has been a head coach for 30 years. The other, 2 years. The only reasonable way to compare them is to consider Hopkins' trajectory and upside as a coach. Hopkins' upside is clearly higher than Altman's. It won't take Hopkins 28 years to get to the Final Four and like I said, UW will mop the court with Oregon's shit team this season.
UW didn't shit themselves last season. They were coached to make it exactly as far as their talent level could possibly take them and then lost to a much more talented UNC team in the tournament.
Yeah sure, you would have said the same thing prior to the 2016 football season when I was saying UW was gonna whoop Oregon's ass. There are certain facts in the past and present that make certain things in the future more likely. Hopkins can coach his ass off and is an elite recruiter. Those two things and UW's meteoric turnaround suggest he's on his way to becoming one of the best head coaches in college basketball.
No, my Tacoma-dwelling friend. You post conjecture, and have forgotten more about ignoring inconvenient facts than I'll ever know.
Sure, I'm not going to take you on point by point. Fuck, you say so much stupid shit I'd be typing all day.
Fuck off.
Yeah that's what I thought bitch. You can never go toe to toe with me bitch. Fuck outta here. Like I said, you want to wait until this season to watch Hopkins whoop Altman's ass? Go ahead.
Uh, I think I went toe to toe, whatever that means.
you don't know shit about what went on, you said the girl won her case against the school, and you haven't read the police report.
and you're hanging players who were never charged out to dry for partying with a girl who wanted to party.
The main reason I wanted Williams is because he has neck tats and two kids by 16, he’s already a grown man.
Not sure those two things qualify a kid as a "grown man". Both signs of immaturity and poor decision making skills.
Firstly, I think he was joking. We makes jokes outside of the hood.
Secondly, we? didn't mind when Curtis Williams ("I love you buddy!") was roaming the secondary in Montlake, and he had all kinds of judgment issues.
Joke didn't hit the mark if that was the case.
I was like 8 years old when Curtis Williams was at UW. Never saw any of those guys Neuheisel guys play. Williams certainly wouldn't be recruited by Petersen and company. Your current basketball coach knowingly played guys accused of gang rape.
For the sake of pure schadenfreude, I read the whole damned police report after it was published somewhere. I had my pitchfork all sharpened and my torch all soaked in kerosene, but reading the report did not return the expected results. The more I read, the more I was both grossed out and surprised at how sympathetic I became to the players' defense. It's hard to draw any conclusion from the police report other than: 1.) This is filth that would tarnish even Sven's brand (NTTAWWT), and 2.) this was consensual filth that the girl later regretted. If you want to kick guys out of school or off a basketball team because they're "yucky," I guess that's up to the AD and the fans that buy tickets, but I couldn't see where any laws--or even school policies--were broken/violated.
There are roughly 85,000,000 gang bang videos on the internet. I'm sure at least a handful of the poor women in those videos regretted it after the fact. Some of these women were almost certainly legitimately drugged/coerced/etc. into doing something they didn't want to do, and this is a serious issue. The others were just victims of their own poor choices. The Oregon basketball case, at least by all available evidence, seems more like the latter than the former--and this coming from a total #metoo hippy liberal pussy who's very close to a victim of campus rape before it became a big issue. I REALLY wanted to hate those players based off the headlines, but it ended up being more of a "those guys are fucking gross" and move on kind of a thing.
Point is, Altman had no idea if the accusation was legit or not. Any coach with integrity would suspend those players immediately and indefinitely until the investigation into the allegation is finished. He did nothing and allowed them to keep playing until the Oregon athletic department suspended the players themselves. That's some Art Briles shit.
Also, one of the players accused was under investigation for sexual assault at a previous school before transferring to Oregon. Altman is trash.
Altman is a great coach. You'd shave your pussy to have him. Sometimes you gotta give credit where it's due.
The hell I would! Hopkins was the conference coach of the year at UW his first two seasons as a head coach, took us from worst in the Pac to a tournament team in two years, and he's a monster recruiter. Fuck Altman. Hop is gonna spank Altman's pasty white ass this season.
That's a lot of trash talk on behalf of a coach who got RAPED by the other coach this great season you reference.
Altman has a body of work. Hopkins is a good coach, but he has some work to do before I'd say he's better than Altman.
You won't have to wait long. Just tune in this season.
UW gonna make the final 4 this season? Lol
Never said anything like that. Just that Hopkin's team is gonna mop the court with Altman's team in Hopkin's third year on the job.
It was in reference to Altman having a better body of work than Hopkins. Until hop makes the final four, there is no discussion.
UW basketball has one decent year that ended with getting blown out in Vegas and blown out in the 2nd round of the tourney. It’s a good start but still a long ways to go before you can even compare hop to Dana or even Sean Miller
Not at all. How long has Altman been on the job? 9 years. If Hopkins and UW are better than Oregon and Altman in Hopkins' third year on the job, I think it's safe to say Hopkins is the better coach.
Altman has been a D1 head coach since 1989. Took him 28 years to get to a Final Four. It's pretty obvious Hopkins has more upside.
Genius logic, totally disregarding the cyclical nature of college basketball rosters. Bruce Pearl is a better coach than Calipari, Coach K, and Roy Williams using this logic. He's only been at Auburn 5 years and had a better season than any of them this year!!
Tomorrow, when I sober up, I’m going to explain how torts work when you’re suing a public institution AND I’ll chip in some basketball statistics AND I’ll tie it all into Avantae (Tae as the old white guys and his baby mommas call him) Williams.
No promises I’ll remember tomorrow, but I know if I do then I’ll be going toe-to-toe with some fucking geniuses so I’ll be prepared.
Anyone calling Dana Altman elite should never be allowed to post on APAG's bored again.
He's has made it past the round of 32 4 times in 13 years coaching in the Power 5.
That's one more than Lorenzo Romar. Yes he made it further than Romar twice in that time. I'm not saying he's Romar, don't twist.
But he's a long fucking way from elite.
One of the most embarrassing threads in the history of HH.
Almost as embarrassing as you trying to push "above average", which is what really begat the shit show.
You're being APAG pushing concentration camps. Just stop already.
BTP calling him elite began the shit show.
He's closer to above average than elite.
hth
Hope away; it doesn't.
Your're playing semantics. IDGAF about the word elite. People mean different things by that. One guy would say John Wooden, which would disqualify Dean Smith. Somebody else would say it's lower than that. I threw out a new baseline: best coach in the conference. You watched and stayed on the sideline so you could keep pressing your first comment, which was way more off than BTP's assessment. Stop.
Coach K is elite. Altman is not Coach K, but then again, he doesn't recruit to Duke either.
But he's a really good coach. He fucking proved it again this season by pulling that shit season out of the garbage and making a run in the tourney. While Hop shit his pants in the confermce tourney.
Tomorrow, when I sober up, I’m going to explain how torts work when you’re suing a public institution AND I’ll chip in some basketball statistics AND I’ll tie it all into Avantae (Tae as the old white guys and his baby mommas call him) Williams.
No promises I’ll remember tomorrow, but I know if I do then I’ll be going toe-to-toe with some fucking geniuses so I’ll be prepared.
Anyone calling Dana Altman elite should never be allowed to post on APAG's bored again.
He's has made it past the round of 32 4 times in 13 years coaching in the Power 5.
That's one more than Lorenzo Romar. Yes he made it further than Romar twice in that time. I'm not saying he's Romar, don't twist.
But he's a long fucking way from elite.
One of the most embarrassing threads in the history of HH.
Almost as embarrassing as you trying to push "above average", which is what really begat the shit show.
You're being APAG pushing concentration camps. Just stop already.
BTP calling him elite began the shit show.
He's closer to above average than elite.
hth
Hope away; it doesn't.
Your're playing semantics. IDGAF about the word elite. People mean different things by that. One guy would say John Wooden, which would disqualify Dean Smith. Somebody else would say it's lower than that. I threw out a new baseline: best coach in the conference. You watched and stayed on the sideline so you could keep pressing your first comment, which was way more off than BTP's assessment. Stop.
Coach K is elite. Altman is not Coach K, but then again, he doesn't recruit to Duke either.
But he's a really good coach. He fucking proved it again this season by pulling that shit season out of the garbage and making a run in the tourney. While Hop shit his pants in the confermce tourney.
I didn't argue with you on best coach in the conference. If I'm ranking Pac12 coaches I put Altman number one.
Anyone calling Dana Altman elite should never be allowed to post on APAG's bored again.
He's has made it past the round of 32 4 times in 13 years coaching in the Power 5.
That's one more than Lorenzo Romar. Yes he made it further than Romar twice in that time. I'm not saying he's Romar, don't twist.
But he's a long fucking way from elite.
One of the most embarrassing threads in the history of HH.
Almost as embarrassing as you trying to push "above average", which is what really begat the shit show.
You're being APAG pushing concentration camps. Just stop already.
BTP calling him elite began the shit show.
He's closer to above average than elite.
hth
Hope away; it doesn't.
Your're playing semantics. IDGAF about the word elite. People mean different things by that. One guy would say John Wooden, which would disqualify Dean Smith. Somebody else would say it's lower than that. I threw out a new baseline: best coach in the conference. You watched and stayed on the sideline so you could keep pressing your first comment, which was way more off than BTP's assessment. Stop.
Coach K is elite. Altman is not Coach K, but then again, he doesn't recruit to Duke either.
But he's a really good coach. He fucking proved it again this season by pulling that shit season out of the garbage and making a run in the tourney. While Hop shit his pants in the confermce tourney.
I didn't argue with you on best coach in the conference. If I'm ranking Pac12 coaches I put Altman number one.
That doesn't get him anywhere close to elite.
But didn't walk back "slightly above average, maybe good". JFC.
Done. You're APAG on this and my attention span just won't hold.
Creep does raise a good point on the definition of elite. To me it's like top 5ish in the nation, but we can be generous and expand it to top 10. There's no way elite goes beyond that.
And "coach" encompasses everything a HC is responsible for, including hiring assistants, recruiting, evaluation and x's and o's.
Elite coaches (not necessarily in order) K Calipari Roy Izzo Wright
Others in top 10 Bennett Self Few Marshall Beard
Altman is in the Rick Barnes/Bruce Pearl/Matt Painter tier. You're not taking him over any of those ten guys I listed.
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uh, no? it means he has a better team than he does at that time. If Hopkins goes on to do those great things you prognosticate that he will do, and those things add up to more than what Altman has done, sure, then he's a better coach.
goes back to what I said before. your argument is all based on what you think he's going to do based on a good and quick turnaround. but coaches often come in and clean up a mess and improve on what was there before. it doesn't follow, or even make it likely, that they're going to go on and dominate. Hopkins is a good coach who has done very little as a head coach. Altman has taken Oregon where he has taken them and is currently the best head coach in the conference. Hopkins won't be the best head coach in the conference until he is. And last season is not the thing on which I'd base my argument for Hopkins, given how well Altman had Oregon playing and how badly Washington lost to them in the tournament (after merely splitting the season games with them).
like I said to dnc, nobody here is saying Dana Altman is the second coming of John Wooden. try and be reasonable at least once in a while. 'above average' is just something somebody stupid would say given his record at Oregon.
this 3rd year and 30th year thing is meaningless. they're at the same level. you don't get points for how long you've been at it. NOFC. what? do you want me to handicap it for Hopkins because Altman has been coaching longer? WFCs? if Hopkins achieves more over 30, then we can revisit this and you can be right ... at that time.
but, alas, today is today Hilltop. all the conjecture in the world doesn't change the facts today.
and, holy shit, that championship game. great season.
Sure, I'm not going to take you on point by point. Fuck, you say so much stupid shit I'd be typing all day.
Fuck off.
1. Again, you have no proof and not even a rumor or example. Just wild speculation and slander towards a head coach in Don James who was loved by everyone he came in contact with. If your only argument is "it was a different time back then and shit got buried", the same thing can be said about Oregon or any other school at that time so what's your fucking point? You don't have one.
2. I ain't scared of fucking football players bitch. I was a football player growing up. I ain't scared of thugs either. Stop projecting your own insecurity onto me.
3. Now you're bouncing around from Don James to the Neuheisal era grasping at straws. That's nothing nobody doesn't fucking already know about. We all know those team were loaded with scumbags and we're glad those days are over with Petersen. That's old fucking news.
4. Like I already said, when you get a new coaching staff, it's a clean slate. Altman is still your head coach, so those rape allegations and his inaction will continue to be brought up. One of those players that was accused had transferred to Oregon to run away from a sexual assault accusation at a previous school. What do you have to say about that? Was that player just so unlucky that every school he attended he just so happened to be accused of sexual assault when he did nothing wrong? He must be the unluckiest motherfucker to walk the earth if that's the case. What do you have to say about Altman recruiting someone with a history of sexual assault allegations against him hmmmm? The alleged victim won her case against Oregon for $800,000. Obviously the University of Oregon felt there was wrongdoing against her and the university was liable due to Altman's actions of knowingly recruiting a player who had a previous sexual assault allegation against him.
Uhhhhhh. One more soft fucking loser of an effort in a big game and you can throw this out the window
have you even bothered to look up the shit that happened at Washington during DJ's tenure that was reported and dealt with? that will give you a notion of what went on in that program. Conklin, Lang, and Pierce are guys off the top of my head who did shit that could have landed them in jail for a long time except that it didn't. i'm not going to argue with you about this. you just don't want to know, and I in fact know. as to RN, as Race said, those players were recruited in large measure by DJ's long-time DC who took over after DJ retired. put it together.
clean slate. got it.
PS; the "alleged victim" didn't win her case. they settled. big difference I've settled disputes for much more money than that in situations where we were entirely in the right. it's called avoiding the hazards of litigation. and at least one source reported that Altman and the AD were advised by police to avoid taking action against the players while the investigation was underway. probably because once you read the police report you realize you're reading an "i'm sorry" letter from some girl to her parents. JFC at least do some light research. they paid her off to avoid protracted publicity over this, and because you never know what will happen in court.
I'm not aware of the facts of the other matter you raise. If Altman purposefully recruited someone who had credible (important word) evidence against him that he'd sexually assaulted someone, then sure, I'd fault him for that.
again, a bunch of black athletes get accused of rape, again, and you're the first one to grab a torch. your parents must be ashamed of you. your people sure are.
you don't know shit about what went on, you said the girl won her case against the school, and you haven't read the police report.
and you're hanging players who were never charged out to dry for partying with a girl who wanted to party.
you suck.
Fucking stupid.
He's has made it past the round of 32 4 times in 13 years coaching in the Power 5.
That's one more than Lorenzo Romar. Yes he made it further than Romar twice in that time. I'm not saying he's Romar, don't twist.
But he's a long fucking way from elite.
One of the most embarrassing threads in the history of HH.
You're being APAG pushing concentration camps. Just stop already.
He's closer to above average than elite.
hth
No promises I’ll remember tomorrow, but I know if I do then I’ll be going toe-to-toe with some fucking geniuses so I’ll be prepared.
Your're playing semantics. IDGAF about the word elite. People mean different things by that. One guy would say John Wooden, which would disqualify Dean Smith. Somebody else would say it's lower than that. I threw out a new baseline: best coach in the conference. You watched and stayed on the sideline so you could keep pressing your first comment, which was way more off than BTP's assessment. Stop.
Coach K is elite. Altman is not Coach K, but then again, he doesn't recruit to Duke either.
But he's a really good coach. He fucking proved it again this season by pulling that shit season out of the garbage and making a run in the tourney. While Hop shit his pants in the confermce tourney.
That doesn't get him anywhere close to elite.
Done. You're APAG on this and my attention span just won't hold.
And "coach" encompasses everything a HC is responsible for, including hiring assistants, recruiting, evaluation and x's and o's.
Elite coaches (not necessarily in order)
K
Calipari
Roy
Izzo
Wright
Others in top 10
Bennett
Self
Few
Marshall
Beard
Altman is in the Rick Barnes/Bruce Pearl/Matt Painter tier. You're not taking him over any of those ten guys I listed.