The main reason I wanted Williams is because he has neck tats and two kids by 16, he’s already a grown man.
Not sure those two things qualify a kid as a "grown man". Both signs of immaturity and poor decision making skills.
Firstly, I think he was joking. We makes jokes outside of the hood.
Secondly, we? didn't mind when Curtis Williams ("I love you buddy!") was roaming the secondary in Montlake, and he had all kinds of judgment issues.
Joke didn't hit the mark if that was the case.
I was like 8 years old when Curtis Williams was at UW. Never saw any of those guys Neuheisel guys play. Williams certainly wouldn't be recruited by Petersen and company. Your current basketball coach knowingly played guys accused of gang rape.
For the sake of pure schadenfreude, I read the whole damned police report after it was published somewhere. I had my pitchfork all sharpened and my torch all soaked in kerosene, but reading the report did not return the expected results. The more I read, the more I was both grossed out and surprised at how sympathetic I became to the players' defense. It's hard to draw any conclusion from the police report other than: 1.) This is filth that would tarnish even Sven's brand (NTTAWWT), and 2.) this was consensual filth that the girl later regretted. If you want to kick guys out of school or off a basketball team because they're "yucky," I guess that's up to the AD and the fans that buy tickets, but I couldn't see where any laws--or even school policies--were broken/violated.
There are roughly 85,000,000 gang bang videos on the internet. I'm sure at least a handful of the poor women in those videos regretted it after the fact. Some of these women were almost certainly legitimately drugged/coerced/etc. into doing something they didn't want to do, and this is a serious issue. The others were just victims of their own poor choices. The Oregon basketball case, at least by all available evidence, seems more like the latter than the former--and this coming from a total #metoo hippy liberal pussy who's very close to a victim of campus rape before it became a big issue. I REALLY wanted to hate those players based off the headlines, but it ended up being more of a "those guys are fucking gross" and move on kind of a thing.
Point is, Altman had no idea if the accusation was legit or not. Any coach with integrity would suspend those players immediately and indefinitely until the investigation into the allegation is finished. He did nothing and allowed them to keep playing until the Oregon athletic department suspended the players themselves. That's some Art Briles shit.
Also, one of the players accused was under investigation for sexual assault at a previous school before transferring to Oregon. Altman is trash.
Altman is a great coach. You'd shave your pussy to have him. Sometimes you gotta give credit where it's due.
The hell I would! Hopkins was the conference coach of the year at UW his first two seasons as a head coach, took us from worst in the Pac to a tournament team in two years, and he's a monster recruiter. Fuck Altman. Hop is gonna spank Altman's pasty white ass this season.
That's a lot of trash talk on behalf of a coach who got RAPED by the other coach this great season you reference.
Altman has a body of work. Hopkins is a good coach, but he has some work to do before I'd say he's better than Altman.
You won't have to wait long. Just tune in this season.
UW gonna make the final 4 this season? Lol
Never said anything like that. Just that Hopkin's team is gonna mop the court with Altman's team in Hopkin's third year on the job.
It was in reference to Altman having a better body of work than Hopkins. Until hop makes the final four, there is no discussion.
UW basketball has one decent year that ended with getting blown out in Vegas and blown out in the 2nd round of the tourney. It’s a good start but still a long ways to go before you can even compare hop to Dana or even Sean Miller
Not at all. How long has Altman been on the job? 9 years. If Hopkins and UW are better than Oregon and Altman in Hopkins' third year on the job, I think it's safe to say Hopkins is the better coach.
Altman has been a D1 head coach since 1989. Took him 28 years to get to a Final Four. It's pretty obvious Hopkins has more upside.
Altman has been coaching. Hopkins has been a backup. One has been in the game; the other has been a "hold my beer" guy. Great comparison.
Altman has been to the Final 4 and coached Oregon out of the cellar to make another run in the tournament this season. Hopkins and Washington shit themselves. Not the year to be making this argument.
I've noticed 95% of your points are based on your own personal speculation about the future. Not much more. Hood rat trash talk is really all you have.
Elite 8, final four, and 2 sweet 16s at fucking Oregon for basketball is definitely elite.
Ernie Kent also went to the Elite 8 twice in his first 9 years at Oregon. You're saying Ernie Kent was one win from being elite.
Stop.
He’s 235-96 at Oregon lol. Stop it DNC. With 0 legit NBA talent.
He's done a very good job at Oregon. But you're grading his Oregon accomplishments on a massive curve while ignoring his entire career pre Oregon.
Four times past the round of 32 in 30 years is not elite unless you won at least one natty in those four.
The problem with that analysis is where he was coaching. Don James was a successful coach at Kent State, but it would not have made sense to judge him on how many times he beat Nebraska or Penn State. Basketball is different. Everybody in D1 is headed to the same show.
Altman was at Creighton for a very long time and won, but was never going to have the horses to make consistent runs with the big boys. You might argue that he was at Creighton for a long time for a reason. That would be an interesting argument. But the one you're making is comparing him to coaches like Izzo. He didn't coach at that level. He's where he is now, and he's done very well. You can go round and round with Back and Hilltop on the semantics. I'd just say he's the best coach in coach in the conference right now and hard stop.
The main reason I wanted Williams is because he has neck tats and two kids by 16, he’s already a grown man.
Not sure those two things qualify a kid as a "grown man". Both signs of immaturity and poor decision making skills.
Firstly, I think he was joking. We makes jokes outside of the hood.
Secondly, we? didn't mind when Curtis Williams ("I love you buddy!") was roaming the secondary in Montlake, and he had all kinds of judgment issues.
Joke didn't hit the mark if that was the case.
I was like 8 years old when Curtis Williams was at UW. Never saw any of those guys Neuheisel guys play. Williams certainly wouldn't be recruited by Petersen and company. Your current basketball coach knowingly played guys accused of gang rape.
For the sake of pure schadenfreude, I read the whole damned police report after it was published somewhere. I had my pitchfork all sharpened and my torch all soaked in kerosene, but reading the report did not return the expected results. The more I read, the more I was both grossed out and surprised at how sympathetic I became to the players' defense. It's hard to draw any conclusion from the police report other than: 1.) This is filth that would tarnish even Sven's brand (NTTAWWT), and 2.) this was consensual filth that the girl later regretted. If you want to kick guys out of school or off a basketball team because they're "yucky," I guess that's up to the AD and the fans that buy tickets, but I couldn't see where any laws--or even school policies--were broken/violated.
There are roughly 85,000,000 gang bang videos on the internet. I'm sure at least a handful of the poor women in those videos regretted it after the fact. Some of these women were almost certainly legitimately drugged/coerced/etc. into doing something they didn't want to do, and this is a serious issue. The others were just victims of their own poor choices. The Oregon basketball case, at least by all available evidence, seems more like the latter than the former--and this coming from a total #metoo hippy liberal pussy who's very close to a victim of campus rape before it became a big issue. I REALLY wanted to hate those players based off the headlines, but it ended up being more of a "those guys are fucking gross" and move on kind of a thing.
Point is, Altman had no idea if the accusation was legit or not. Any coach with integrity would suspend those players immediately and indefinitely until the investigation into the allegation is finished. He did nothing and allowed them to keep playing until the Oregon athletic department suspended the players themselves. That's some Art Briles shit.
Also, one of the players accused was under investigation for sexual assault at a previous school before transferring to Oregon. Altman is trash.
So I take it you're not down with American jurisprudence and the whole "innocent until proven guilty" bit?
That applies in a court of law. In the real world, it's common sense and common practice to suspend people when they're under investigation for rape until they are proven innocent. The fact the athletic department had to step in and suspend them instead of Altman speaks volumes about his character and where his priorities lie. Winning basketball games was prioritized over a potential rape victim. Altman is a piece of shit like Art Briles. If you are aware of a sexual assault allegation against your players, you don't sit back and do nothing.
- It also applies in our culture. If someone at work accused you of groping them, would you be ok being suspended until they figured it out? W/o pay? Because when you suspend an athlete, there's no replacing that time.
- Or maybe it speaks volumes about his judgment. Life is a little more complicated than you make it out to be. You don't just suspend players the second someone makes an allegation. You're supposedly black - you should know better than most that people get falsely accused of shit, like rape, all the time.
- I think you would have hated Don James had you been alive back then.
- Your argument about Altman and Hopkins is stupid. And, he wasn't really better than Altman even this year. Standing on this soap box and yelling so loudly given how the season played out is only something you can do. I can't think of a doogier person on doogman, other than krisvashon, who is actually mentally stunted. It's one thing to argue that Hopkins is a good young coach who seems to have a great trajectory ahead of him and who has done well at Washington. It's another thing to make the argument you are making, with the sample size you have. It speaks volumes about your thought process.
1. Uh fuck yeah, I would expect to be fucking suspended you idiot. Like I said, that's common practice in college and the rest of society, as it should be. Art Briles got fired for a fucking reason you idiot. He knew about sexual assault allegations made against numerous of his players and did absolutely nothing about it. Altman did the same exact thing. Your defense of him is ass fucking backwards and you call me a doog? Fuck out of here.
2. Yes, I am black bitch and people do get falsely accused of shit. That's why you suspend them indefinitely and you wait for the findings of the investigation. If they are proven innocent, you welcome them back to the team and they can appeal the NCAA for any lost eligibility. It would be the same exact scenario if a player was a prime suspect in a murder case. You can't have a fucking potential murderer playing for your basketball team. It's unethical.
3. I would have loved Don James. He was very similar to Petersen. Show me proof of when he knew of rape allegations against one of his players and didn't suspend him? You're talking out your ass.
4. Like I said, it took Altman 28 years to reach the Final Four. Does anybody realistically think it will take Hopkins that long given the massively impressive turn around he's pulled off his first two seasons at UW? If Hopkins whoops Altman's ass in his 3rd year as a head coach versus Altman's 30th year as a head coach, does that not suggest he's better than him and has a higher upside? I think it does. Altman is a slightly above average head coach and that's it. In 30 years, he has never ascended to elite status. Hopkins has the upside as a coach and recruiter to be elite. I would take Hopkins over Altman every single time and it's an easy choice.
The main reason I wanted Williams is because he has neck tats and two kids by 16, he’s already a grown man.
Not sure those two things qualify a kid as a "grown man". Both signs of immaturity and poor decision making skills.
Firstly, I think he was joking. We makes jokes outside of the hood.
Secondly, we? didn't mind when Curtis Williams ("I love you buddy!") was roaming the secondary in Montlake, and he had all kinds of judgment issues.
Joke didn't hit the mark if that was the case.
I was like 8 years old when Curtis Williams was at UW. Never saw any of those guys Neuheisel guys play. Williams certainly wouldn't be recruited by Petersen and company. Your current basketball coach knowingly played guys accused of gang rape.
For the sake of pure schadenfreude, I read the whole damned police report after it was published somewhere. I had my pitchfork all sharpened and my torch all soaked in kerosene, but reading the report did not return the expected results. The more I read, the more I was both grossed out and surprised at how sympathetic I became to the players' defense. It's hard to draw any conclusion from the police report other than: 1.) This is filth that would tarnish even Sven's brand (NTTAWWT), and 2.) this was consensual filth that the girl later regretted. If you want to kick guys out of school or off a basketball team because they're "yucky," I guess that's up to the AD and the fans that buy tickets, but I couldn't see where any laws--or even school policies--were broken/violated.
There are roughly 85,000,000 gang bang videos on the internet. I'm sure at least a handful of the poor women in those videos regretted it after the fact. Some of these women were almost certainly legitimately drugged/coerced/etc. into doing something they didn't want to do, and this is a serious issue. The others were just victims of their own poor choices. The Oregon basketball case, at least by all available evidence, seems more like the latter than the former--and this coming from a total #metoo hippy liberal pussy who's very close to a victim of campus rape before it became a big issue. I REALLY wanted to hate those players based off the headlines, but it ended up being more of a "those guys are fucking gross" and move on kind of a thing.
Point is, Altman had no idea if the accusation was legit or not. Any coach with integrity would suspend those players immediately and indefinitely until the investigation into the allegation is finished. He did nothing and allowed them to keep playing until the Oregon athletic department suspended the players themselves. That's some Art Briles shit.
Also, one of the players accused was under investigation for sexual assault at a previous school before transferring to Oregon. Altman is trash.
So I take it you're not down with American jurisprudence and the whole "innocent until proven guilty" bit?
That applies in a court of law. In the real world, it's common sense and common practice to suspend people when they're under investigation for rape until they are proven innocent. The fact the athletic department had to step in and suspend them instead of Altman speaks volumes about his character and where his priorities lie. Winning basketball games was prioritized over a potential rape victim. Altman is a piece of shit like Art Briles. If you are aware of a sexual assault allegation against your players, you don't sit back and do nothing.
- It also applies in our culture. If someone at work accused you of groping them, would you be ok being suspended until they figured it out? W/o pay? Because when you suspend an athlete, there's no replacing that time.
- Or maybe it speaks volumes about his judgment. Life is a little more complicated than you make it out to be. You don't just suspend players the second someone makes an allegation. You're supposedly black - you should know better than most that people get falsely accused of shit, like rape, all the time.
- I think you would have hated Don James had you been alive back then.
- Your argument about Altman and Hopkins is stupid. And, he wasn't really better than Altman even this year. Standing on this soap box and yelling so loudly given how the season played out is only something you can do. I can't think of a doogier person on doogman, other than krisvashon, who is actually mentally stunted. It's one thing to argue that Hopkins is a good young coach who seems to have a great trajectory ahead of him and who has done well at Washington. It's another thing to make the argument you are making, with the sample size you have. It speaks volumes about your thought process.
1. Uh fuck yeah, I would expect to be fucking suspended you idiot. Like I said, that's common practice in college and the rest of society, as it should be. Art Briles got fired for a fucking reason you idiot. He knew about sexual assault allegations made against numerous of his players and did absolutely nothing about it. Altman did the same exact thing. Your defense of him is ass fucking backwards and you call me a doog? Fuck out of here.
2. Yes, I am black bitch and people do get falsely accused of shit. That's why you suspend them indefinitely and you wait for the findings of the investigation. If they are proven innocent, you welcome them back to the team and they can appeal the NCAA for any lost eligibility. It would be the same exact scenario if a player was a prime suspect in a murder case. You can't have a fucking potential murderer playing for your basketball team. It's unethical.
3. I would have loved Don James. He was very similar to Petersen. Show me proof of when he knew of rape allegations against one of his players and didn't suspend him? You're talking out your ass.
4. Like I said, it took Altman 28 years to reach the Final Four. Does anybody realistically think it will take Hopkins that long given the massively impressive turn around he's pulled off his first two seasons at UW? If Hopkins whoops Altman's ass in his 3rd year as a head coach versus Altman's 30th year as a head coach, does that not suggest he's better than him and has a higher upside? I think it does. Altman is a slightly above average head coach and that's it. In 30 years, he has never ascended to elite status. Hopkins has the upside as a coach and recruiter to be elite. I would take Hopkins over Altman every single time and it's an easy choice.
You have no idea what you are talking about. It was a different time and there was no internet and women didn't want their names in the papers. I was around dummy; you were not. Shit got buried, so how am I supposed to 'prove' what didn't make its way to the public? I tutored at the EOP. I was pretty well informed. You obviously are not. DJ had a db play for him whose nickname around campus was "Date Rape [first name]". He had players do all kinds of shit and "LIPO'd" it until it went away.
Get the fuck outta here with shit you know nothing about bitch. DJ had players on his team that would have scared the shit out of you. He'd look the other way more than RN, and that 2000 team had some players on it that would have made you get counseling.
You have this image of UW athletics as a lily white example of how things should be. The truth is far from that, but you don't know because you're a satellite campus wannabe.
LOL. I am actually laffing out loud at you at this moment.
PS: did you read the fucking police report btw? Those players got branded and that girl actually told the cop she just let them do what they wanted to do so she could go to sleep. She went into the bathroom willingly and walking into a lot of what happened to her. She slept at the damn apartment. She sounds stupid and regretful. Victim? Not so sure. And, the detail that they were never even charged.
Rape accusations get thrown at black men like speeding tickets. You should be ashamed you're using this to make a stupid point about a basketball coach.
There were moments last year when putting Sabrina Ionescu on the men's team was considered a legitimate option and Altman still Macguyvered together a team out of chewing gum wrappers and made the Sweet 16.
The main reason I wanted Williams is because he has neck tats and two kids by 16, he’s already a grown man.
Not sure those two things qualify a kid as a "grown man". Both signs of immaturity and poor decision making skills.
Firstly, I think he was joking. We makes jokes outside of the hood.
Secondly, we? didn't mind when Curtis Williams ("I love you buddy!") was roaming the secondary in Montlake, and he had all kinds of judgment issues.
Joke didn't hit the mark if that was the case.
I was like 8 years old when Curtis Williams was at UW. Never saw any of those guys Neuheisel guys play. Williams certainly wouldn't be recruited by Petersen and company. Your current basketball coach knowingly played guys accused of gang rape.
For the sake of pure schadenfreude, I read the whole damned police report after it was published somewhere. I had my pitchfork all sharpened and my torch all soaked in kerosene, but reading the report did not return the expected results. The more I read, the more I was both grossed out and surprised at how sympathetic I became to the players' defense. It's hard to draw any conclusion from the police report other than: 1.) This is filth that would tarnish even Sven's brand (NTTAWWT), and 2.) this was consensual filth that the girl later regretted. If you want to kick guys out of school or off a basketball team because they're "yucky," I guess that's up to the AD and the fans that buy tickets, but I couldn't see where any laws--or even school policies--were broken/violated.
There are roughly 85,000,000 gang bang videos on the internet. I'm sure at least a handful of the poor women in those videos regretted it after the fact. Some of these women were almost certainly legitimately drugged/coerced/etc. into doing something they didn't want to do, and this is a serious issue. The others were just victims of their own poor choices. The Oregon basketball case, at least by all available evidence, seems more like the latter than the former--and this coming from a total #metoo hippy liberal pussy who's very close to a victim of campus rape before it became a big issue. I REALLY wanted to hate those players based off the headlines, but it ended up being more of a "those guys are fucking gross" and move on kind of a thing.
Point is, Altman had no idea if the accusation was legit or not. Any coach with integrity would suspend those players immediately and indefinitely until the investigation into the allegation is finished. He did nothing and allowed them to keep playing until the Oregon athletic department suspended the players themselves. That's some Art Briles shit.
Also, one of the players accused was under investigation for sexual assault at a previous school before transferring to Oregon. Altman is trash.
Altman is a great coach. You'd shave your pussy to have him. Sometimes you gotta give credit where it's due.
The hell I would! Hopkins was the conference coach of the year at UW his first two seasons as a head coach, took us from worst in the Pac to a tournament team in two years, and he's a monster recruiter. Fuck Altman. Hop is gonna spank Altman's pasty white ass this season.
That's a lot of trash talk on behalf of a coach who got RAPED by the other coach this great season you reference.
Altman has a body of work. Hopkins is a good coach, but he has some work to do before I'd say he's better than Altman.
You won't have to wait long. Just tune in this season.
UW gonna make the final 4 this season? Lol
Never said anything like that. Just that Hopkin's team is gonna mop the court with Altman's team in Hopkin's third year on the job.
It was in reference to Altman having a better body of work than Hopkins. Until hop makes the final four, there is no discussion.
UW basketball has one decent year that ended with getting blown out in Vegas and blown out in the 2nd round of the tourney. It’s a good start but still a long ways to go before you can even compare hop to Dana or even Sean Miller
Not at all. How long has Altman been on the job? 9 years. If Hopkins and UW are better than Oregon and Altman in Hopkins' third year on the job, I think it's safe to say Hopkins is the better coach.
Altman has been a D1 head coach since 1989. Took him 28 years to get to a Final Four. It's pretty obvious Hopkins has more upside.
Altman has been coaching. Hopkins has been a backup. One has been in the game; the other has been a "hold my beer" guy. Great comparison.
Altman has been to the Final 4 and coached Oregon out of the cellar to make another run in the tournament this season. Hopkins and Washington shit themselves. Not the year to be making this argument.
I've noticed 95% of your points are based on your own personal speculation about the future. Not much more. Hood rat trash talk is really all you have.
I only stated facts and you prefer to ignore them. Hopkins was Pac-12 coach of the year over Altman twice, his first two seasons as a head coach. That's a fact. We have two coaches that we're comparing. One has been a head coach for 30 years. The other, 2 years. The only reasonable way to compare them is to consider Hopkins' trajectory and upside as a coach. Hopkins' upside is clearly higher than Altman's. It won't take Hopkins 28 years to get to the Final Four and like I said, UW will mop the court with Oregon's shit team this season.
UW didn't shit themselves last season. They were coached to make it exactly as far as their talent level could possibly take them and then lost to a much more talented UNC team in the tournament.
Yeah sure, you would have said the same thing prior to the 2016 football season when I was saying UW was gonna whoop Oregon's ass. There are certain facts in the past and present that make certain things in the future more likely. Hopkins can coach his ass off and is an elite recruiter. Those two things and UW's meteoric turnaround suggest he's on his way to becoming one of the best head coaches in college basketball.
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Altman has been to the Final 4 and coached Oregon out of the cellar to make another run in the tournament this season. Hopkins and Washington shit themselves. Not the year to be making this argument.
I've noticed 95% of your points are based on your own personal speculation about the future. Not much more. Hood rat trash talk is really all you have.
14 years in the NCAA tournament
Sweet 16 or better 4 times.
He's above average, maybe even good, but not even close to elite.
Stop.
Four times past the round of 32 in 30 years is not elite unless you won at least one natty in those four.
Elite coaches win anywhere.
Altman isn't elite.
Altman was at Creighton for a very long time and won, but was never going to have the horses to make consistent runs with the big boys. You might argue that he was at Creighton for a long time for a reason. That would be an interesting argument. But the one you're making is comparing him to coaches like Izzo. He didn't coach at that level. He's where he is now, and he's done very well. You can go round and round with Back and Hilltop on the semantics. I'd just say he's the best coach in coach in the conference right now and hard stop.
Above average? Seriously? Stop.
2. Yes, I am black bitch and people do get falsely accused of shit. That's why you suspend them indefinitely and you wait for the findings of the investigation. If they are proven innocent, you welcome them back to the team and they can appeal the NCAA for any lost eligibility. It would be the same exact scenario if a player was a prime suspect in a murder case. You can't have a fucking potential murderer playing for your basketball team. It's unethical.
3. I would have loved Don James. He was very similar to Petersen. Show me proof of when he knew of rape allegations against one of his players and didn't suspend him? You're talking out your ass.
4. Like I said, it took Altman 28 years to reach the Final Four. Does anybody realistically think it will take Hopkins that long given the massively impressive turn around he's pulled off his first two seasons at UW? If Hopkins whoops Altman's ass in his 3rd year as a head coach versus Altman's 30th year as a head coach, does that not suggest he's better than him and has a higher upside? I think it does. Altman is a slightly above average head coach and that's it. In 30 years, he has never ascended to elite status. Hopkins has the upside as a coach and recruiter to be elite. I would take Hopkins over Altman every single time and it's an easy choice.
Shame on all of you
Get the fuck outta here with shit you know nothing about bitch. DJ had players on his team that would have scared the shit out of you. He'd look the other way more than RN, and that 2000 team had some players on it that would have made you get counseling.
You have this image of UW athletics as a lily white example of how things should be. The truth is far from that, but you don't know because you're a satellite campus wannabe.
LOL. I am actually laffing out loud at you at this moment.
PS: did you read the fucking police report btw? Those players got branded and that girl actually told the cop she just let them do what they wanted to do so she could go to sleep. She went into the bathroom willingly and walking into a lot of what happened to her. She slept at the damn apartment. She sounds stupid and regretful. Victim? Not so sure. And, the detail that they were never even charged.
Rape accusations get thrown at black men like speeding tickets. You should be ashamed you're using this to make a stupid point about a basketball coach.
That's elite coaching.
When it comes to college football you really don't want to know how the sausage is made
UW didn't shit themselves last season. They were coached to make it exactly as far as their talent level could possibly take them and then lost to a much more talented UNC team in the tournament.
Yeah sure, you would have said the same thing prior to the 2016 football season when I was saying UW was gonna whoop Oregon's ass. There are certain facts in the past and present that make certain things in the future more likely. Hopkins can coach his ass off and is an elite recruiter. Those two things and UW's meteoric turnaround suggest he's on his way to becoming one of the best head coaches in college basketball.