“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
So is it wrong because it's inconsistent or is it just objectively wrong?
Get a better argument. It’s inconsistent.
Inconsistent with what?
With other leftists positions where they don’t give a shit about a persons body, choice, or agency.
Right. I got that. I'm asking for an example.
Vaccinations, mandatory government health care, minimum drinking and smoking age, type of food and beverages people are taxed heavily to consume, drug use, means to self defense...
That's fair, but I'll just say this: you can be right about one thing even if you are selective about how you appply that reasoning to other things.
In this case, if the woman assigns no moral agency to the fetus, then they are right to say "my body/my choice" because the state is intruding upon her right to manage her physical self as she sees fit. That she forgets that rationale in some other arena doesn't make her wrong, just, as you put it, inconsistent.
Vaccines are tricky though. If the fetus has no moral significance, then the moral equivalent of removing a mole affects no other person.
If an unvaccinated person spreads disease (not offering up an opinion on that; I don't have the background to debate the point), then in theory that person is effectively assaulting other people. Lives are being effected!!! That's a potential distinction from the abortion debate.
Otherwise, yeah, I agree. People are full of shit and hopelessly inconsistent.
On vaccines, what risks should someone be forced to take in order to protect someone else from harm?
The risk of not contracting the disease.
Big pharma and government forcing injections. What could go wrong?
This recall is considered precautionary as the batch associated with the recall was subject to a “mechanical intervention executed during the aseptic filling operations, which is not supported by validation data.”
What is the risk of getting cancer from one of these drugs?
The FDA says it is very small. The amount of NDMA found in the recalled valsartan drugs exceeds acceptable levels. Records from drug manufacturers show the impurity may have been in the valsartan products for up to 4 years. The FDA estimates that if 8,000 people took the highest valsartan dose, which is 320 milligrams, from recalled batches every day for 4 years, there would likely only be one additional case of cancer over the life of those 8,000 people.
For context, 1 in 3 people in the United States will be diagnosed with cancer in their lifetime.
Recalls happen every day on all kinds of things, including safety and health related products.
It's an imperfect world out here, but by all measures a safer one than before vaccines and things like seat belts, air bags and smoke detectors, etc.
If you can't handle the ups and downs of risk management, you might want to find another world to live in.
What does any of this have to do with tariffs and whether your company may or may not shift production south of the border?
Crime rates to soar in 16 years since it’s well known abortion keeps the population down of those groups who proportionately commit more crimes.
I don't know about soar, but a measurable increase in crime? Yes.
O'Keefed comes out today in support abortion as a means to keep crime low, and we all know who gets most of the abortions in this country, and yesterday he came out in opposition to the creation of a Jewish homeland.
Can you breath with that hood on O'Keefed?
Why do you hate facts? Every reader of Freakonomics knows there was a measurable drop in crime 18 years after abortion became legal and it occurred earlier in states that legalized abortion earlier.
I once cited Freakonomics as a source for a college paper I wrote. My professor dinged me an entire grade.
Crime rates to soar in 16 years since it’s well known abortion keeps the population down of those groups who proportionately commit more crimes.
I don't know about soar, but a measurable increase in crime? Yes.
O'Keefed comes out today in support abortion as a means to keep crime low, and we all know who gets most of the abortions in this country, and yesterday he came out in opposition to the creation of a Jewish homeland.
Can you breath with that hood on O'Keefed?
Why do you hate facts? Every reader of Freakonomics knows there was a measurable drop in crime 18 years after abortion became legal and it occurred earlier in states that legalized abortion earlier.
I once cited Freakonomics as a source for a college paper I wrote. My professor dinged me an entire grade.
In 18 years when Bama is still kicking our ass in football you'll know why
@CirrhosisDawg is a big fan of state's rights. Pretty sure he is on board with Alabama
It would be funny if after 50 years of scare tactics something happened after all
My advice is for both sides to calm down. Keep it safe and legal in the first trimester. Ease off the after birth abortion agenda.
Every action has a reaction.
My early line has the Surpemes upholding Roe thanks to Kavenaugh. Too bad the democrats want to impeach him
You and I agree a lot Race even though we don't like to admit it in public.
We are what you call "soft" pro-choicers. But no one wants to be reasonable these days.
Also, I cant help buy get my sensibilities offended when the good people of Bammer think and care about the sanctity of life. Their Cadillac had its wheel in the ditch for long time.
"Pro choice" Yeah, I go with the side of liberty and small government, bc I strive for logical consistency.
However, my nephew was born at 25 weeks(which was the de-facto line of viability at the time, no idea right now). It's hard for me to think of that and think that at 24 weeks that fetus had no right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Some women don't give a shit about having an abortion, for some women it's an agonizing decision that haunts them forever. I know both kinds.
I'm willing to admit that maybe no one has the 100% morally correct answer on this one.
We aren't a theocracy so religious interpretations about life need not apply including my own personal thoughts on abortion at any time
In theory we make laws based on logic and science (stop laughing)
I believe the original ruling on first trimester was based on non viability outside the womb. Muslims didn't like that but tough shit. It was a societal compromise to protect the woman from the back alley. It was an acknowledgement that like drugs and booze, abortions were going to happen. They could be regulated or not.
Ever since this has been one of the best fund raising items on both sides. Bama is going to fuck that up by getting SERIOUS about almost eliminating it
The philosophizers take issue with viability because technology moves that line backward all the time, and so the thought is that whether someone is a person or not shouldn't be a function of technology.
I myself don't get too hung up on that and think the first trimester is a good enough line to draw. We draw lines in life all the tim. This is as a good a context to draw one as any.
*shrug Maybe at some point we will have the tech to consistently and safely transfer viable fetuses to those that want them. There's plenty of demand at this time in history to match up with the unwanted supply.
In 18 years when Bama is still kicking our ass in football you'll know why
@CirrhosisDawg is a big fan of state's rights. Pretty sure he is on board with Alabama
It would be funny if after 50 years of scare tactics something happened after all
My advice is for both sides to calm down. Keep it safe and legal in the first trimester. Ease off the after birth abortion agenda.
Every action has a reaction.
My early line has the Surpemes upholding Roe thanks to Kavenaugh. Too bad the democrats want to impeach him
You and I agree a lot Race even though we don't like to admit it in public.
We are what you call "soft" pro-choicers. But no one wants to be reasonable these days.
Also, I cant help buy get my sensibilities offended when the good people of Bammer think and care about the sanctity of life. Their Cadillac had its wheel in the ditch for long time.
"Pro choice" Yeah, I go with the side of liberty and small government, bc I strive for logical consistency.
However, my nephew was born at 25 weeks(which was the de-facto line of viability at the time, no idea right now). It's hard for me to think of that and think that at 24 weeks that fetus had no right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Some women don't give a shit about having an abortion, for some women it's an agonizing decision that haunts them forever. I know both kinds.
I'm willing to admit that maybe no one has the 100% morally correct answer on this one.
It’s a messy as hell balancing act. But at a certain point the right to life, liberty and happiness of the unborn Trumps that of the mother.
In 18 years when Bama is still kicking our ass in football you'll know why
@CirrhosisDawg is a big fan of state's rights. Pretty sure he is on board with Alabama
It would be funny if after 50 years of scare tactics something happened after all
My advice is for both sides to calm down. Keep it safe and legal in the first trimester. Ease off the after birth abortion agenda.
Every action has a reaction.
My early line has the Surpemes upholding Roe thanks to Kavenaugh. Too bad the democrats want to impeach him
You and I agree a lot Race even though we don't like to admit it in public.
We are what you call "soft" pro-choicers. But no one wants to be reasonable these days.
Also, I cant help buy get my sensibilities offended when the good people of Bammer think and care about the sanctity of life. Their Cadillac had its wheel in the ditch for long time.
"Pro choice" Yeah, I go with the side of liberty and small government, bc I strive for logical consistency.
However, my nephew was born at 25 weeks(which was the de-facto line of viability at the time, no idea right now). It's hard for me to think of that and think that at 24 weeks that fetus had no right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Some women don't give a shit about having an abortion, for some women it's an agonizing decision that haunts them forever. I know both kinds.
I'm willing to admit that maybe no one has the 100% morally correct answer on this one.
It’s a messy as hell balancing act. But at a certain point the right to life, liberty and happiness of the unborn Trumps that of the mother.
So what are the appropriate penalties to the pregnant woman choosing to abort and the doctor that obliges in this “messy as hell balancing act?” Past the first trimester or whatever one-size-fits-all time limit that applies? Murder charges? What charge does the father of the child receive?
I like to complain about people not getting vaccinations while opening the border to people who don't have vaccinations
I'm a democrat
You do and you are? Where the fuck have I stated any of the above.
The fuckhead Russians and Ukranies in the Couv are anti- vax and that's what caused the issue there.
Instead of reading and thinking, you intentionally derail the discussion by oversimplifying, misstating facts, ad hominem attacks and obfuscation. It's your shtick, over and over again. Thread after thread. Day after day. Year after year. Painstakingly boring, but it must give you some joy. Congrats.
In 18 years when Bama is still kicking our ass in football you'll know why
@CirrhosisDawg is a big fan of state's rights. Pretty sure he is on board with Alabama
It would be funny if after 50 years of scare tactics something happened after all
My advice is for both sides to calm down. Keep it safe and legal in the first trimester. Ease off the after birth abortion agenda.
Every action has a reaction.
My early line has the Surpemes upholding Roe thanks to Kavenaugh. Too bad the democrats want to impeach him
You and I agree a lot Race even though we don't like to admit it in public.
We are what you call "soft" pro-choicers. But no one wants to be reasonable these days.
Also, I cant help buy get my sensibilities offended when the good people of Bammer think and care about the sanctity of life. Their Cadillac had its wheel in the ditch for long time.
"Pro choice" Yeah, I go with the side of liberty and small government, bc I strive for logical consistency.
However, my nephew was born at 25 weeks(which was the de-facto line of viability at the time, no idea right now). It's hard for me to think of that and think that at 24 weeks that fetus had no right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Some women don't give a shit about having an abortion, for some women it's an agonizing decision that haunts them forever. I know both kinds.
I'm willing to admit that maybe no one has the 100% morally correct answer on this one.
It’s a messy as hell balancing act. But at a certain point the right to life, liberty and happiness of the unborn Trumps that of the mother.
So what are the appropriate penalties to the pregnant woman choosing to abort and the doctor that obliges in this “messy as hell balancing act?” Past the first trimester or whatever one-size-fits-all time limit that applies? Murder charges? What charge does the father of the child receive?
In 18 years when Bama is still kicking our ass in football you'll know why
@CirrhosisDawg is a big fan of state's rights. Pretty sure he is on board with Alabama
It would be funny if after 50 years of scare tactics something happened after all
My advice is for both sides to calm down. Keep it safe and legal in the first trimester. Ease off the after birth abortion agenda.
Every action has a reaction.
My early line has the Surpemes upholding Roe thanks to Kavenaugh. Too bad the democrats want to impeach him
Roe is a terrible opinion. I also think it is probably upheld, but it would probably have been better for the states to discover on their own how stupid it is to make abortion illegal.
You know what, you and I agree on this. Without Roe all of this would have been worked out years ago. There would be some states where abortion was restricted to 1st trimester and then there would be states that you'd support that would allow you to murder the baby as it exits the birth canal but almost all states, with the exception of maybe two or three would allow for legal abortions.
In 18 years when Bama is still kicking our ass in football you'll know why
@CirrhosisDawg is a big fan of state's rights. Pretty sure he is on board with Alabama
It would be funny if after 50 years of scare tactics something happened after all
My advice is for both sides to calm down. Keep it safe and legal in the first trimester. Ease off the after birth abortion agenda.
Every action has a reaction.
My early line has the Surpemes upholding Roe thanks to Kavenaugh. Too bad the democrats want to impeach him
Roe is a terrible opinion. I also think it is probably upheld, but it would probably have been better for the states to discover on their own how stupid it is to make abortion illegal.
You know what, you and I agree on this. Without Roe all of this would have been worked out years ago. There would be some states where abortion was restricted to 1st trimester and then there would be states that you'd support that would allow you to murder the baby as it exits the birth canal but almost all states, with the exception of maybe two or three would allow for legal abortions.
And you'd be ok with this diversity of rules?
Not surprised.
Unlike you liberal frauds, I really am Pro Choice.
In 18 years when Bama is still kicking our ass in football you'll know why
@CirrhosisDawg is a big fan of state's rights. Pretty sure he is on board with Alabama
It would be funny if after 50 years of scare tactics something happened after all
My advice is for both sides to calm down. Keep it safe and legal in the first trimester. Ease off the after birth abortion agenda.
Every action has a reaction.
My early line has the Surpemes upholding Roe thanks to Kavenaugh. Too bad the democrats want to impeach him
Roe is a terrible opinion. I also think it is probably upheld, but it would probably have been better for the states to discover on their own how stupid it is to make abortion illegal.
You know what, you and I agree on this. Without Roe all of this would have been worked out years ago. There would be some states where abortion was restricted to 1st trimester and then there would be states that you'd support that would allow you to murder the baby as it exits the birth canal but almost all states, with the exception of maybe two or three would allow for legal abortions.
And you'd be ok with this diversity of rules?
Not surprised.
Unlike you liberal frauds, I really am Pro Choice.
WHO has national estimates of vaccination coverage rates by country and type of vaccine. It’s unclear whether vaccination coverage rates include immigrants, but they definitely include those born in each country as of 2017. Vaccination coverage rates for the United States were unavailable for Tuberculosis and one of the polio vaccines (IPV1) while the IPV1 vaccine coverage rate is also unavailable for Costa Rica.
In 18 years when Bama is still kicking our ass in football you'll know why
@CirrhosisDawg is a big fan of state's rights. Pretty sure he is on board with Alabama
It would be funny if after 50 years of scare tactics something happened after all
My advice is for both sides to calm down. Keep it safe and legal in the first trimester. Ease off the after birth abortion agenda.
Every action has a reaction.
My early line has the Surpemes upholding Roe thanks to Kavenaugh. Too bad the democrats want to impeach him
Roe is a terrible opinion. I also think it is probably upheld, but it would probably have been better for the states to discover on their own how stupid it is to make abortion illegal.
You know what, you and I agree on this. Without Roe all of this would have been worked out years ago. There would be some states where abortion was restricted to 1st trimester and then there would be states that you'd support that would allow you to murder the baby as it exits the birth canal but almost all states, with the exception of maybe two or three would allow for legal abortions.
And you'd be ok with this diversity of rules?
Not surprised.
Unlike you liberal frauds, I really am Pro Choice.
Didn't answer the question.
Me? Liberal fraud? Prove it.
I'm also pro choice.
I think states should be able to choose what kind of abortion service their state should allow.
In some figures, some countries are excluded because there are no WHO estimates of their vaccination rates. The United States does not have the highest vaccination coverage rate for any vaccine reported below. Perhaps members of the migrant caravan have lower vaccination rates than their fellow countrymen
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However, my nephew was born at 25 weeks(which was the de-facto line of viability at the time, no idea right now). It's hard for me to think of that and think that at 24 weeks that fetus had no right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Some women don't give a shit about having an abortion, for some women it's an agonizing decision that haunts them forever. I know both kinds.
I'm willing to admit that maybe no one has the 100% morally correct answer on this one.
White Walkers?
Not surprised.
Me? Liberal fraud? Prove it.
I'm also pro choice.
Facts > Feels
https://www.cato.org/blog/migrant-caravan-central-america-vaccination-rates
So a bunch of bullshit feelings
Thanks
Even WHO wont support their own bullshit