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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,455 Founders Club
    Facts not feelings

    I posted facts

    And I'm not 300 miles from the border

    You seem to be struggling here
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,455 Founders Club


    Irregular migration, on the other hand, by which a foreign national enters the United States illegally between the ports of entry, does not provide any of those safeguards. Once they are here, they are here, regardless of whether they are apprehended and detained, or make their way to their final destinations without apprehension.
  • UWhuskytskeet
    UWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113

    Facts not feelings

    I posted facts

    And I'm not 300 miles from the border

    You seem to be struggling here

    How far are you?
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,676
    WHO is that fag on first?
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,273

    Fair enough. But I go back to what I said yesterday: the entire nation ought to come to some consensus on whether a fetus has agency, or personhood, and if it does, when it acquires it. Because if there is ever a time when it doesn't have that status, that state - no state - should be able to intrude. If it always has that status - from the moment it is conceived - then there should be a national ban on abortion at all times and under every single circumstance.

    How do you propose this consensus would be established?
    It's a tough one.

    I'd say, consult the Tug?
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,273

    Fair enough. But I go back to what I said yesterday: the entire nation ought to come to some consensus on whether a fetus has agency, or personhood, and if it does, when it acquires it. Because if there is ever a time when it doesn't have that status, that state - no state - should be able to intrude. If it always has that status - from the moment it is conceived - then there should be a national ban on abortion at all times and under every single circumstance.

    How do you propose this consensus would be established?
    It's a tough one.

    I'd say, consult the Tug?
    But if that fails, or doesn't appease the masses, then the Supremes need to find it in the Constitution. Of course it's not there ... a lot of things aren't there. I guess that leaves us with Congress.

    But with Congress it should be. It should be the law of the land, either way, I don't care. I can live with either answer. What I can't live with, or at least what I found intellectually lazy and crazy, is that the answer varies by state or region. We tried that with slavery and came to the conclusion that the Union isn't a union if you can hold slaves in some places and not others. Some things are so very fundamental that, if we can't agree on them, we ought not to be associated at all.

    That's my take.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,051 Standard Supporter

    Fair enough. But I go back to what I said yesterday: the entire nation ought to come to some consensus on whether a fetus has agency, or personhood, and if it does, when it acquires it. Because if there is ever a time when it doesn't have that status, that state - no state - should be able to intrude. If it always has that status - from the moment it is conceived - then there should be a national ban on abortion at all times and under every single circumstance.

    How do you propose this consensus would be established?
    It's a tough one.

    I'd say, consult the Tug?
    You're just begging for a Septic War, aren't you Creepy?
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,695 Founders Club

    Fair enough. But I go back to what I said yesterday: the entire nation ought to come to some consensus on whether a fetus has agency, or personhood, and if it does, when it acquires it. Because if there is ever a time when it doesn't have that status, that state - no state - should be able to intrude. If it always has that status - from the moment it is conceived - then there should be a national ban on abortion at all times and under every single circumstance.

    How do you propose this consensus would be established?
    It's a tough one.

    I'd say, consult the Tug?
    But if that fails, or doesn't appease the masses, then the Supremes need to find it in the Constitution. Of course it's not there ... a lot of things aren't there. I guess that leaves us with Congress.

    But with Congress it should be. It should be the law of the land, either way, I don't care. I can live with either answer. What I can't live with, or at least what I found intellectually lazy and crazy, is that the answer varies by state or region. We tried that with slavery and came to the conclusion that the Union isn't a union if you can hold slaves in some places and not others. Some things are so very fundamental that, if we can't agree on them, we ought not to be associated at all.

    That's my take.
    I trust @creepycoug mor on matters of pretend jurisprudence than I do some of you guys. Just saying...
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,334

    I like to complain about people not getting vaccinations while opening the border to people who don't have vaccinations

    I'm a democrat

    Mexico and most of Central America have a much higher vaccination rate than the US.

    Facts > Feels

    https://www.cato.org/blog/migrant-caravan-central-america-vaccination-rates
    And the dirt farmers at the border?
    You tell me, you said they don't have vaccinations.
    And you didn't link anything to dispute that

    Look up the rise of disease in border areas

    Like I said Democrats welcome them in
    So you can just say random things and assume it's true?
    Signs point to "yes"
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,455 Founders Club
    Except I backed up my assertion and you didn't