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Right. I got that. I'm asking for an example.MikeDamone said:
With other leftists positions where they don’t give a shit about a persons body, choice, or agency.HHusky said:
Inconsistent with what?MikeDamone said:
Get a better argument. It’s inconsistent.HHusky said:
So is it wrong because it's inconsistent or is it just objectively wrong?MikeDamone said:“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
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It’s irrelevant regardless. As you say, the debate is if the fetus has agency. My body my choice is a cute phrase that leftists seem to not care so much about when it comes to other things.creepycoug said:
Inconsistency with "elsewhere" can be tackled elsewhere.MikeDamone said:
I’m not confused. My body my choice is inconsistent because those who apply it to abortions ignore it elsewhere. Regardless if they think the fetus has agency. If they do, it’s probably even worse.creepycoug said:
It is a terrible argument, unless you assign no moral significance to the fetus. If you don't, then you're damn right that the state should not be involved and it most certainly is a privacy issue.MikeDamone said:“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
If you do assign it moral signficance, then if you're at all logically consistent you ought to be in favor of a national ban ... no exceptions ever.
This is not tuff to understand. I don't know why it's confusing to people. It's a straightforward issue if there ever was one.
As it applies to the abortion issue now before us, it is terribly relevant if the fetus has no agency. -
Setting aside the fact that there are conservative women who are pro-choice, what is an example of one of these "other things"?MikeDamone said:
My body my choice is a cute phrase that leftists seem to not care so much about when it comes to other things.creepycoug said:
Inconsistency with "elsewhere" can be tackled elsewhere.MikeDamone said:
I’m not confused. My body my choice is inconsistent because those who apply it to abortions ignore it elsewhere. Regardless if they think the fetus has agency. If they do, it’s probably even worse.creepycoug said:
It is a terrible argument, unless you assign no moral significance to the fetus. If you don't, then you're damn right that the state should not be involved and it most certainly is a privacy issue.MikeDamone said:“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
If you do assign it moral signficance, then if you're at all logically consistent you ought to be in favor of a national ban ... no exceptions ever.
This is not tuff to understand. I don't know why it's confusing to people. It's a straightforward issue if there ever was one.
As it applies to the abortion issue now before us, it is terribly relevant if the fetus has no agency. -
Vaccinations, mandatory government health care, minimum drinking and smoking age, type of food and beverages people are taxed heavily to consume, drug use, means to self defense...HHusky said:
Right. I got that. I'm asking for an example.MikeDamone said:
With other leftists positions where they don’t give a shit about a persons body, choice, or agency.HHusky said:
Inconsistent with what?MikeDamone said:
Get a better argument. It’s inconsistent.HHusky said:
So is it wrong because it's inconsistent or is it just objectively wrong?MikeDamone said:“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
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Thank you. Which of these you listed do you personally disagree with? Or do you disagree with all of them?MikeDamone said:
Vaccinations, mandatory government health care, minimum drinking and smoking age, type of food and beverages people are taxed heavily to consume, drug use, means to self defense...HHusky said:
Right. I got that. I'm asking for an example.MikeDamone said:
With other leftists positions where they don’t give a shit about a persons body, choice, or agency.HHusky said:
Inconsistent with what?MikeDamone said:
Get a better argument. It’s inconsistent.HHusky said:
So is it wrong because it's inconsistent or is it just objectively wrong?MikeDamone said:“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
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Not sure. I lean heavily toward liberty and the sovereignty of the individual to have agency over his body. But at the same time I don’t blurt out catch phrases when it suits me and don’t apply the same logic to others.HHusky said:
Thank you. Which of these you listed do you personally disagree with? Or do you disagree with all of them?MikeDamone said:
Vaccinations, mandatory government health care, minimum drinking and smoking age, type of food and beverages people are taxed heavily to consume, drug use, means to self defense...HHusky said:
Right. I got that. I'm asking for an example.MikeDamone said:
With other leftists positions where they don’t give a shit about a persons body, choice, or agency.HHusky said:
Inconsistent with what?MikeDamone said:
Get a better argument. It’s inconsistent.HHusky said:
So is it wrong because it's inconsistent or is it just objectively wrong?MikeDamone said:“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
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But you think minimum drinking and smoking ages, or drug use prohibitions, for example, are things we got from left wingers.MikeDamone said:
Not sure. I lean heavily toward liberty and the sovereignty of the individual agency over his body. But at the same time I don’t blurt out catch phrases when it suits me and don’t apply the same logic to others.HHusky said:
Thank you. Which of these you listed do you personally disagree with? Or do you disagree with all of them?MikeDamone said:
Vaccinations, mandatory government health care, minimum drinking and smoking age, type of food and beverages people are taxed heavily to consume, drug use, means to self defense...HHusky said:
Right. I got that. I'm asking for an example.MikeDamone said:
With other leftists positions where they don’t give a shit about a persons body, choice, or agency.HHusky said:
Inconsistent with what?MikeDamone said:
Get a better argument. It’s inconsistent.HHusky said:
So is it wrong because it's inconsistent or is it just objectively wrong?MikeDamone said:“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
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Didn’t say that.HHusky said:
But you think minimum drinking and smoking ages, or drug use prohibitions, for example, are things we got from left wingers.MikeDamone said:
Not sure. I lean heavily toward liberty and the sovereignty of the individual agency over his body. But at the same time I don’t blurt out catch phrases when it suits me and don’t apply the same logic to others.HHusky said:
Thank you. Which of these you listed do you personally disagree with? Or do you disagree with all of them?MikeDamone said:
Vaccinations, mandatory government health care, minimum drinking and smoking age, type of food and beverages people are taxed heavily to consume, drug use, means to self defense...HHusky said:
Right. I got that. I'm asking for an example.MikeDamone said:
With other leftists positions where they don’t give a shit about a persons body, choice, or agency.HHusky said:
Inconsistent with what?MikeDamone said:
Get a better argument. It’s inconsistent.HHusky said:
So is it wrong because it's inconsistent or is it just objectively wrong?MikeDamone said:“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
I said people who yell about body/choice for abortion are usually on the side of government force being used in vaccines, smoking, drinking aged, taxing junk food, etc.
It’s a bullshit argument.
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It was actually the premise you started with.MikeDamone said:
Didn’t say that.HHusky said:
But you think minimum drinking and smoking ages, or drug use prohibitions, for example, are things we got from left wingers.MikeDamone said:
Not sure. I lean heavily toward liberty and the sovereignty of the individual agency over his body. But at the same time I don’t blurt out catch phrases when it suits me and don’t apply the same logic to others.HHusky said:
Thank you. Which of these you listed do you personally disagree with? Or do you disagree with all of them?MikeDamone said:
Vaccinations, mandatory government health care, minimum drinking and smoking age, type of food and beverages people are taxed heavily to consume, drug use, means to self defense...HHusky said:
Right. I got that. I'm asking for an example.MikeDamone said:
With other leftists positions where they don’t give a shit about a persons body, choice, or agency.HHusky said:
Inconsistent with what?MikeDamone said:
Get a better argument. It’s inconsistent.HHusky said:
So is it wrong because it's inconsistent or is it just objectively wrong?MikeDamone said:“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
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The fuck?! I just stepped out for some lunch and come back to 68 replies!
