Alternative theory: Why was Pete hired?
Let's start with running off the last two coaches who won a Rose Bowl here. Let's talk about our administration basically backing Bill Walsh's thinly veiled racism when he popped off about the "type" of recruits UW was bringing in to dominate the Pac 10. The brie and wine crowd were uncomfortable at wine mixers because some players got in a little trouble here and there and were demonstrative and such on the field. Why they were almost as bad as @creepycoug 's Canes were.
James is shown the door and we get Lambo's midgets who predated Gilby's midgets. Hey look at our gritty punt returner as we go 7 and 4 again. A real coach on the field.
Lambo is shown the door and we bring in a recruiter and we all know what that means. Well Rick didn't win the right way either and days of ruin and roses came our way. The once again embarrassed administration showed him the door so we could "ask the right questions" in recruiting under Gilby. Who got fired.
So they bring in the ultimate lose the right way coach with the ultimate we don't really give a shit about football AD. Invisible progress and classroom excellence. Players with an edge or attitude were shown the door or the bench. Owen12 ensued.
Sark did not melt down here. He was at one point considered a safe hire and you just know he could suck up to the upper campus with the best of them. His foibles were not public at the time. He left on his own seeing 7 wins forever as his future as UW was finally back to 1993 Lambo levels of mediocrity .
UW got lucky in hiring a coach from Boise Idaho who could actually coach and had an affinity for try hard guys who could slay Goliath. He has improved the program in every way except in a way to garner the attention of the Upper Campus types who still hate football.
There is valid criticism of Pete's methods from us but I bet his bosses love him. Wins, but not too much and not at the expense of the yarns the administration spins
The biggest difference between UW and Oregon over 20 years is how the administrations view football. Oregon is all in. UW is not. From marketing to twitter to gameday to recruiting Oregon is serious. UW is working on an image that is not reality.
Again I agree with some or even a lot of the criticism of Pete and his selling of his program but my fear is we would only do worse on the next one. There is data to support this thought.
For a progressive campus in a progressive city UW has some demons to work out in regards to the football program and the players we recruit. If some guys fuck up and get arrested does that mitigate the guys that don't and got a way out by being given a chance? Isn't that a lot of what we are talking over each other about here?
We may disagree on a lot bu we want to win a fucking National Championship or 5. On that we agree. How do we get there.
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LIPO.
We were in the playoffs year 3 and half the team (defense) belonged, with far less talented players.
Respectable-ish losses the past 2 years in NY6 games.
I have to believe Pete will break through eventually because I really doubt another coach is going to do better.
Pete is winning at a historic clip. He just needs to break through on the big stage. With the way recruiting is trending I have to think he will. The offense is the concern, same as it was the past 2 years. -
Why they were almost as bad as @creepycoug 's Canes were.
Hurtful but true.
I liked Rick, and he's on my list at least of UW admin fuck ups. Much like Billy Joe's stupid "loan", that NCAA betting pool thing looks mighty tame and harmless in the context of the shit that happens today. That 2000 season has his fingerprints all over it. Sure he had Pharms, Tripplett, Tui, Vontoure, Stevens, etc. But the kids (I like to call them "the kids") played for him ... they bought in that he cared about them, and on some level, I think he did. Whatever else you think of Rick, there is no question that his dismissal led to some pretty fucked up dark days around Montlake. Be careful what you axe for (is that raysiss to say?)
On the necessity of tolerating some bad hombres, I go back to the infamous interview with DJ when they were axing him about some of the boys getting into trouble. You know, the famous "wild hair" quote? I believe it. You need some. Wasn't just the 2000 team. We had some dudes in the early 90s you'd want to be careful with. Trust me. I was there!
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I'll let Race score that one, as he tends to be less emotional and biased about game analysis than I.PostGameOrangeSlices said:LIPO.
We were in the playoffs year 3 and half the team (defense) belonged, with far less talented players.
Respectable-ish losses the past 2 years in NY6 games.
I have to believe Pete will break through eventually because I really doubt another coach is going to do better.
Pete is winning at a historic clip. He just needs to break through on the big stage. With the way recruiting is trending I have to think he will. The offense is the concern, same as it was the past 2 years.
There were elements in all three losses of UW having its ass handed to it for a stretch. I gave Pete all the credit in the world for the half-tim adjustments that kept the PSU score respectable. But in all three, for a significant stretch of the game, UW looked outclassed.
You can't just concede an entire half of football to really good and athletic teams. So that's on somebody. I'll let you decide who, because I don't know.
And the other thing that provides important context is that he's winning at an historic clip in a conference that is now a shell of its former self. It is what it is; don't twist. I'm not playing the "USC is down"' or "Oregon is down" game. Most of the conference is what Oregon State and Cal used to take care of on their own. -
Well that's a waste of 45 paragraphs and 10hrs of your time Race
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Missed this.RaceBannon said:Older DAWGS should never forget the long legacy of the administration fucking up Husky Football for their own purposes. We could go back to not firing Owens but that's probably too far back.
Let's start with running off the last two coaches who won a Rose Bowl here. Let's talk about our administration basically backing Bill Walsh's thinly veiled racism when he popped off about the "type" of recruits UW was bringing in to dominate the Pac 10. The brie and wine crowd were uncomfortable at wine mixers because some players got in a little trouble here and there and were demonstrative and such on the field. Why they were almost as bad as @creepycoug 's Canes were.
James is shown the door and we get Lambo's midgets who predated Gilby's midgets. Hey look at our gritty punt returner as we go 7 and 4 again. A real coach on the field.
Lambo is shown the door and we bring in a recruiter and we all know what that means. Well Rick didn't win the right way either and days of ruin and roses came our way. The once again embarrassed administration showed him the door so we could "ask the right questions" in recruiting under Gilby. Who got fired.
So they bring in the ultimate lose the right way coach with the ultimate we don't really give a shit about football AD. Invisible progress and classroom excellence. Players with an edge or attitude were shown the door or the bench. Owen12 ensued.
Sark did not melt down here. He was at one point considered a safe hire and you just know he could suck up to the upper campus with the best of them. His foibles were not public at the time. He left on his own seeing 7 wins forever as his future as UW was finally back to 1993 Lambo levels of mediocrity .
UW got lucky in hiring a coach from Boise Idaho who could actually coach and had an affinity for try hard guys who could slay Goliath. He has improved the program in every way except in a way to garner the attention of the Upper Campus types who still hate football.
There is valid criticism of Pete's methods from us but I bet his bosses love him. Wins, but not too much and not at the expense of the yarns the administration spins
The biggest difference between UW and Oregon over 20 years is how the administrations view football. Oregon is all in. UW is not. From marketing to twitter to gameday to recruiting Oregon is serious. UW is working on an image that is not reality.
Again I agree with some or even a lot of the criticism of Pete and his selling of his program but my fear is we would only do worse on the next one. There is data to support this thought.
For a progressive campus in a progressive city UW has some demons to work out in regards to the football program and the players we recruit. If some guys fuck up and get arrested does that mitigate the guys that don't and got a way out by being given a chance? Isn't that a lot of what we are talking over each other about here?
We may disagree on a lot bu we want to win a fucking National Championship or 5. On that we agree. How do we get there.
Oh yeah. There is tons of data. Statistically the next guy is in all liklihood a failure. -
Everything you said is true. Against PSU and OSU espacially UW was outclassed but weathered the storm and came back. That takes good coaching.creepycoug said:
I'll let Race score that one, as he tends to be less emotional and biased about game analysis than I.PostGameOrangeSlices said:LIPO.
We were in the playoffs year 3 and half the team (defense) belonged, with far less talented players.
Respectable-ish losses the past 2 years in NY6 games.
I have to believe Pete will break through eventually because I really doubt another coach is going to do better.
Pete is winning at a historic clip. He just needs to break through on the big stage. With the way recruiting is trending I have to think he will. The offense is the concern, same as it was the past 2 years.
There were elements in all three losses of UW having its ass handed to it for a stretch. I gave Pete all the credit in the world for the half-tim adjustments that kept the PSU score respectable. But in all three, for a significant stretch of the game, UW looked outclassed.
You can't just concede an entire half of football to really good and athletic teams. So that's on somebody. I'll let you decide who, because I don't know.
And the other thing that provides important context is that he's winning at an historic clip in a conference that is now a shell of its former self. It is what it is; don't twist. I'm not playing the "USC is down"' or "Oregon is down" game. Most of the conference is what Oregon State and Cal used to take care of on their own.
UW also plays overly conservative initially which is bad coaching. The players seem intimidated.
The Pac 12 stuff is also valid.
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You know pumpy, your contributions to this board are really quite average. You posts are pedestrian. Not the worst. There are some real retards here, so you're safe?puppylove_sugarsteel said:Well that's a waste of 45 paragraphs and 10hrs of your time Race
But your content is right in the middle of the bell curve. Not horrible, but not good at all. -
Mostly agree, though I think some credit needs to be given to Jen too. Read any of her numerous interviews and it's clear that she gets it. She also gets the inherent difficulties that come with trying to craft a successful program around a fan base that has gotten progressively softer over the last 20 years.
Our problem will continue to be an upper campus that aspires to be more Berkeley than Austin, with a student population being imported from Beijing that doesn't know what the fuck football is (despite Larry's best efforts). -
but Jen Cohen took a photo with Don James when she was 12 so unless she hired @RachaelDoyleDawg herself then she's still cleaning up the mess she inherited.
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The last three bowl games were over by half-time. HTH
