Jake Browning
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Have you been watching any husky games in the last 4 years?TripleRainbowDawg said:Who won those games?
"QB WINS AS A STAT ARE FUCKING STUPID" - why? link?
Are all his other stats "FUCKING STUPID"?
Do you have a brain?
Are you capable of rational and independent thought?
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Can't wait to see what you come back with!TripleRainbowDawg said:Good point, I'm looking into that further (in comparison w/ win rates for other QBs with strong defenses). I'd note that 6 of the 12 losses were in 2015, when the total defense was 31st nationally, and scoring defense 15th. Great for sure, but not as good as the subsequent years.
Here is something else for you:
2016, with John Ross and Dante Pettis, Jake throws for 8.8 yards per pass good for 11th in the nation.
That falls to 8.1 as a junior in 2017 and 8.2 in 2018.
Earlier in this thread you alluded to all-time UW records which is obviously an awful comparison for two reasons:
1. Jake had more opportunities to rack up stats starting for all four years in an era of 12 regular season games + CCGs + bowl games for everyone.
2. CFB changed dramatically over the last 18 years in both tempo (more plays per game) and complexity of passing offenses.
The top-10 in any program's QB stats record books are dominated by post-2000 players.
A meaningful comparison is to his peers. 2018, as a senior, he was 23rd in the nation in yards per pass and 45th in passer rating despite playing for an elite team.
Those are not elite QB numbers. So yes, from a a statistical standpoint he is decent at best. Then you actually watch him play and see his lack of arm strength, accuracy, anticipation, vision, and its obvious why he won't have an NFL career.
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For most of my life Husky quarterbacks rarely started more than two years. They didn't transfer if they didn't start as a freshman or sophomore and they waited their turnFremontTroll said:
Can't wait to see what you come back with!TripleRainbowDawg said:Good point, I'm looking into that further (in comparison w/ win rates for other QBs with strong defenses). I'd note that 6 of the 12 losses were in 2015, when the total defense was 31st nationally, and scoring defense 15th. Great for sure, but not as good as the subsequent years.
Here is something else for you:
2016, with John Ross and Dante Pettis, Jake throws for 8.8 yards per pass good for 11th in the nation.
That falls to 8.1 as a junior in 2017 and 8.2 in 2018.
Earlier in this thread you alluded to all-time UW records which is obviously an awful comparison for two reasons:
1. Jake had more opportunities to rack up stats starting for all four years in an era of 12 regular season games + CCGs + bowl games for everyone.
2. CFB changed dramatically over the last 18 years in both tempo (more plays per game) and complexity of passing offenses.
The top-10 in any program's QB stats record books are dominated by post-2000 players.
A meaningful comparison is to his peers. 2018, as a senior, he was 23rd in the nation in yards per pass and 45th in passer rating despite playing for an elite team.
Those are not elite QB numbers. So yes, from a a statistical standpoint he is decent at best. Then you actually watch him play and see his lack of arm strength, accuracy, anticipation, vision, and its obvious why he won't have an NFL career.
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2015 Boston College was #1 nationally in total defense. They finished 3-9. Platooned 4 QBs.
2015 Missouri was #6 in total defense. They finished 5-7 (Coach Gary Pinkel's last season). QBs were Drew Lock and Maty Mauk. Lock is in '19 combine.
2015 Penn St. was #14 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QBs were Christian Hackenberg and Trace McSorley. Hackenberg was #51 pick in '16 NFL draft. McSorely is in '19 combine.
2015 Central Michigan was #16 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QB was Cooper Rush. Rush signed with Dallas in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2015 Utah St. was #17 in total defense. They finished 6-7. QBs were Kent Myers and Chuckie Keeton.
2015 Minnesota was #24 in total defense. They finished 6-7. QB was Mitch Leidner.
2015 Kent St. was #27 in total defense. They finished 3-9. QBs were Colin Reardon and George Bollas.
2015 Vanderbilt was #28 in total defense. They finished 4-8. QBs were Johnny McCrary and Kyle Shurmur. Shurmur is in '19 combine.
2015 NC St. was #29 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QB was Jacoby Brissett. Brissett was picked #91 in '16 draft.
2015 Illinois was #30 in total defense. They finished 5-7. QBs were Wes Lunt and Chayce Crouch. Lunt signed with Minnesota in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2015 Dawgs were #31 in total defense. They finished 7-6.
2016 Michigan was #1(tied) in total defense. They finished 10-3. QBs were John O'Korn and Wilton Speight
2016 Temple was #3 in total defense. They finished 10-4. QB was P.J. Walker. Walker signed with Colts in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2016 Florida was #5 in total defense. They finished 9-4. QBs were Austin Appleby and Luke Del Rio. Appleby signed with Dallas in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2016 Boston College was #9 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QBs were Patrick Towles and Darius Wade.
2016 LSU was #10 in total defense. They finished 8-4. QBs were Danny Elting and Brandon Harris. Elting was drafted #219 in '18.
2016 Dawgs were #12 in total defense. They finished 12-2.
2017 Michigan was #3 in total defense. They finished 8-5. QBs were John O'Korn, Brandon Peters and Wilton Speight.
2017 UTSA was #5 in total defense. They finished 6-5. QB was Dalton Sturm. Sturm signed with Dallas in '18 as undrafted free agent.
2017 Michigan St. was #7 in total defense. They finished 10-3. QB was Brian Lewerke.
2017 Dawgs were #8 in total defense. They finished 10-3.
2018 Miss. St. was #1 in total defense. They finished 8-5. QBs were Nick Fitzgerald and Keytaon Thompson. Fitzgerald is in '19 combine.
2018 Michigan was #2 in total defense. They finished 10-3. QB was Shea Patterson.
2018 Southern Miss. was #3 in total defense. They finished 6-5. QBs were Jack Abraham and Tate Whatley.
2018 Miami was #4 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QBs were Malik Rosier and N'Kosi Perry.
2018 Iowa was #7 in total defense. They finished 9-4. QB was Nate Stanley.
2018 Michigan St. was #10 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QB was Brian Lewerke.
2018 Dawgs were #12 in total defense. They finished 10-3.
That's 24 teams during the Browning era with statistically better defenses but equal or worse records. These teams included numerous QBs who were NFL prospects, draftees or signees.
Were all of these QBs equal or worse than Browning?
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Mods?TripleRainbowDawg said:2015 Boston College was #1 nationally in total defense. They finished 3-9. Platooned 4 QBs.
2015 Missouri was #6 in total defense. They finished 5-7 (Coach Gary Pinkel's last season). QBs were Drew Lock and Maty Mauk. Lock is in '19 combine.
2015 Penn St. was #14 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QBs were Christian Hackenberg and Trace McSorley. Hackenberg was #51 pick in '16 NFL draft. McSorely is in '19 combine.
2015 Central Michigan was #16 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QB was Cooper Rush. Rush signed with Dallas in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2015 Utah St. was #17 in total defense. They finished 6-7. QBs were Kent Myers and Chuckie Keeton.
2015 Minnesota was #24 in total defense. They finished 6-7. QB was Mitch Leidner.
2015 Kent St. was #27 in total defense. They finished 3-9. QBs were Colin Reardon and George Bollas.
2015 Vanderbilt was #28 in total defense. They finished 4-8. QBs were Johnny McCrary and Kyle Shurmur. Shurmur is in '19 combine.
2015 NC St. was #29 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QB was Jacoby Brissett. Brissett was picked #91 in '16 draft.
2015 Illinois was #30 in total defense. They finished 5-7. QBs were Wes Lunt and Chayce Crouch. Lunt signed with Minnesota in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2015 Dawgs were #31 in total defense. They finished 7-6.
2016 Michigan was #1(tied) in total defense. They finished 10-3. QBs were John O'Korn and Wilton Speight
2016 Temple was #3 in total defense. They finished 10-4. QB was P.J. Walker. Walker signed with Colts in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2016 Florida was #5 in total defense. They finished 9-4. QBs were Austin Appleby and Luke Del Rio. Appleby signed with Dallas in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2016 Boston College was #9 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QBs were Patrick Towles and Darius Wade.
2016 LSU was #10 in total defense. They finished 8-4. QBs were Danny Elting and Brandon Harris. Elting was drafted #219 in '18.
2016 Dawgs were #12 in total defense. They finished 12-2.
2017 Michigan was #3 in total defense. They finished 8-5. QBs were John O'Korn, Brandon Peters and Wilton Speight.
2017 UTSA was #5 in total defense. They finished 6-5. QB was Dalton Sturm. Sturm signed with Dallas in '18 as undrafted free agent.
2017 Michigan St. was #7 in total defense. They finished 10-3. QB was Brian Lewerke.
2017 Dawgs were #8 in total defense. They finished 10-3.
2018 Miss. St. was #1 in total defense. They finished 8-5. QBs were Nick Fitzgerald and Keytaon Thompson. Fitzgerald is in '19 combine.
2018 Michigan was #2 in total defense. They finished 10-3. QB was Shea Patterson.
2018 Southern Miss. was #3 in total defense. They finished 6-5. QBs were Jack Abraham and Tate Whatley.
2018 Miami was #4 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QBs were Malik Rosier and N'Kosi Perry.
2018 Iowa was #7 in total defense. They finished 9-4. QB was Nate Stanley.
2018 Michigan St. was #10 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QB was Brian Lewerke.
2018 Dawgs were #12 in total defense. They finished 10-3.
That's 24 teams during the Browning era with statistically better defenses but equal or worse records. These teams included numerous QBs who were NFL prospects, draftees or signees.
Were all of these QBs equal or worse than Browning? -
Careful, RaceRaceBannon said:
Mods?TripleRainbowDawg said:2015 Boston College was #1 nationally in total defense. They finished 3-9. Platooned 4 QBs.
2015 Missouri was #6 in total defense. They finished 5-7 (Coach Gary Pinkel's last season). QBs were Drew Lock and Maty Mauk. Lock is in '19 combine.
2015 Penn St. was #14 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QBs were Christian Hackenberg and Trace McSorley. Hackenberg was #51 pick in '16 NFL draft. McSorely is in '19 combine.
2015 Central Michigan was #16 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QB was Cooper Rush. Rush signed with Dallas in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2015 Utah St. was #17 in total defense. They finished 6-7. QBs were Kent Myers and Chuckie Keeton.
2015 Minnesota was #24 in total defense. They finished 6-7. QB was Mitch Leidner.
2015 Kent St. was #27 in total defense. They finished 3-9. QBs were Colin Reardon and George Bollas.
2015 Vanderbilt was #28 in total defense. They finished 4-8. QBs were Johnny McCrary and Kyle Shurmur. Shurmur is in '19 combine.
2015 NC St. was #29 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QB was Jacoby Brissett. Brissett was picked #91 in '16 draft.
2015 Illinois was #30 in total defense. They finished 5-7. QBs were Wes Lunt and Chayce Crouch. Lunt signed with Minnesota in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2015 Dawgs were #31 in total defense. They finished 7-6.
2016 Michigan was #1(tied) in total defense. They finished 10-3. QBs were John O'Korn and Wilton Speight
2016 Temple was #3 in total defense. They finished 10-4. QB was P.J. Walker. Walker signed with Colts in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2016 Florida was #5 in total defense. They finished 9-4. QBs were Austin Appleby and Luke Del Rio. Appleby signed with Dallas in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2016 Boston College was #9 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QBs were Patrick Towles and Darius Wade.
2016 LSU was #10 in total defense. They finished 8-4. QBs were Danny Elting and Brandon Harris. Elting was drafted #219 in '18.
2016 Dawgs were #12 in total defense. They finished 12-2.
2017 Michigan was #3 in total defense. They finished 8-5. QBs were John O'Korn, Brandon Peters and Wilton Speight.
2017 UTSA was #5 in total defense. They finished 6-5. QB was Dalton Sturm. Sturm signed with Dallas in '18 as undrafted free agent.
2017 Michigan St. was #7 in total defense. They finished 10-3. QB was Brian Lewerke.
2017 Dawgs were #8 in total defense. They finished 10-3.
2018 Miss. St. was #1 in total defense. They finished 8-5. QBs were Nick Fitzgerald and Keytaon Thompson. Fitzgerald is in '19 combine.
2018 Michigan was #2 in total defense. They finished 10-3. QB was Shea Patterson.
2018 Southern Miss. was #3 in total defense. They finished 6-5. QBs were Jack Abraham and Tate Whatley.
2018 Miami was #4 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QBs were Malik Rosier and N'Kosi Perry.
2018 Iowa was #7 in total defense. They finished 9-4. QB was Nate Stanley.
2018 Michigan St. was #10 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QB was Brian Lewerke.
2018 Dawgs were #12 in total defense. They finished 10-3.
That's 24 teams during the Browning era with statistically better defenses but equal or worse records. These teams included numerous QBs who were NFL prospects, draftees or signees.
Were all of these QBs equal or worse than Browning?
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I'm new here. What does "mods" mean? Are tying to have my post deleted for being too dense in factual content?
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Freshman Drew Lock was worse than Browning. He had a 49 completion percentage and 4 TDs to 8 INTs. He fucking sucked. He still kinda does sometimes, but unlike Jake, he showed year to year improvement and developed into a decent player. Freshman Jake = Senior Jake. Maty Mauk sucked.TripleRainbowDawg said:2015 Boston College was #1 nationally in total defense. They finished 3-9. Platooned 4 QBs.
2015 Missouri was #6 in total defense. They finished 5-7 (Coach Gary Pinkel's last season). QBs were Drew Lock and Maty Mauk. Lock is in '19 combine.
2015 Penn St. was #14 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QBs were Christian Hackenberg and Trace McSorley. Hackenberg was #51 pick in '16 NFL draft. McSorely is in '19 combine.
2015 Central Michigan was #16 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QB was Cooper Rush. Rush signed with Dallas in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2015 Utah St. was #17 in total defense. They finished 6-7. QBs were Kent Myers and Chuckie Keeton.
2015 Minnesota was #24 in total defense. They finished 6-7. QB was Mitch Leidner.
2015 Kent St. was #27 in total defense. They finished 3-9. QBs were Colin Reardon and George Bollas.
2015 Vanderbilt was #28 in total defense. They finished 4-8. QBs were Johnny McCrary and Kyle Shurmur. Shurmur is in '19 combine.
2015 NC St. was #29 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QB was Jacoby Brissett. Brissett was picked #91 in '16 draft.
2015 Illinois was #30 in total defense. They finished 5-7. QBs were Wes Lunt and Chayce Crouch. Lunt signed with Minnesota in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2015 Dawgs were #31 in total defense. They finished 7-6.
2016 Michigan was #1(tied) in total defense. They finished 10-3. QBs were John O'Korn and Wilton Speight
2016 Temple was #3 in total defense. They finished 10-4. QB was P.J. Walker. Walker signed with Colts in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2016 Florida was #5 in total defense. They finished 9-4. QBs were Austin Appleby and Luke Del Rio. Appleby signed with Dallas in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2016 Boston College was #9 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QBs were Patrick Towles and Darius Wade.
2016 LSU was #10 in total defense. They finished 8-4. QBs were Danny Elting and Brandon Harris. Elting was drafted #219 in '18.
2016 Dawgs were #12 in total defense. They finished 12-2.
2017 Michigan was #3 in total defense. They finished 8-5. QBs were John O'Korn, Brandon Peters and Wilton Speight.
2017 UTSA was #5 in total defense. They finished 6-5. QB was Dalton Sturm. Sturm signed with Dallas in '18 as undrafted free agent.
2017 Michigan St. was #7 in total defense. They finished 10-3. QB was Brian Lewerke.
2017 Dawgs were #8 in total defense. They finished 10-3.
2018 Miss. St. was #1 in total defense. They finished 8-5. QBs were Nick Fitzgerald and Keytaon Thompson. Fitzgerald is in '19 combine.
2018 Michigan was #2 in total defense. They finished 10-3. QB was Shea Patterson.
2018 Southern Miss. was #3 in total defense. They finished 6-5. QBs were Jack Abraham and Tate Whatley.
2018 Miami was #4 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QBs were Malik Rosier and N'Kosi Perry.
2018 Iowa was #7 in total defense. They finished 9-4. QB was Nate Stanley.
2018 Michigan St. was #10 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QB was Brian Lewerke.
2018 Dawgs were #12 in total defense. They finished 10-3.
That's 24 teams during the Browning era with statistically better defenses but equal or worse records. These teams included numerous QBs who were NFL prospects, draftees or signees.
Were all of these QBs equal or worse than Browning?
Hackenberg is one of the worst QBs I've ever watched. No need to go into detail there.
No one can convince me that Mitch Leidner was a real human being and not just a large wicker man.
Brissett was kind actually of decent. Better than Jake for sure. Didn't have a lot of talent around him on offense though. And his defense was just aight.
Wes Lunt was trash.
John O'Korn and Wilton Speight were both pretty bad. This team with Speight was basically us last year except they ran the ball. Still didn't get anywhere.
Patrick Towles: see Mitch Leidner.
Brian Lewerke: Very similar player to Browning actually. Eerily so.
Shea Patterson: Probably a little better than Browning, but Michigan had a tougher schedule.
Nick Fitzgerald is a tight end, not a quarterback.
Miami doesn't have any quarterbacks. Stop lying.
Nate Stanley. Maybe a little bit better than Browning? Iowa doesn't have any WRs on their roster to it's kind of hard to tell.
The fact that I left anyone out from your long list of who's whos (seriously, who are these people?) should speak for itself. -
It really doesn't matter if there were 350 QBs worse than Browing (there aren't) Browning still sucked
So glad to use past tense -
YBETripleRainbowDawg said:I'm new here. What does "mods" mean? Are tying to have my post deleted for being too dense in factual content?
