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  • MariotaTheGawd
    MariotaTheGawd Member Posts: 1,441

    HHusky said:

    89ute said:

    Way more important than the North Korea - US summit. Keep this good stuff coming!

    Good point. No telling what Daddy will give away.
    After Clinton, Bush and Obama, what’s left to give?

    18 moths ago retards were saying we? were on the brink of nuclear war because of Trump. Now that that’s not the truth, retards are mad that Trump is talking to N Korea and is “freindly with a dictator”

    JFC
    People who do nuclear threat analysis for a living said that was the most dangerous time since probably the Cuban Missile Crisis. Certainly the most since the end of the Cold War.

    Maybe stick to just repeating my posts back to me because when you actually try to talk with the adults it just reveals that you're a manchild with a hilariously inflated sense of your own intelligence.
    It was a dangerous time. Everyone said so.

    Awesome argument. It actually goes back to the Sark days here. And you wonder why you are mocked.
    "Nuclear war didn't happen. Thank you President T!"
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,654 Standard Supporter

    Postal91 said:

    You look over Cohen's shoulder and there sits one of the biggest Clinton loyalists... Lanny Davis. Anyone that doesn't see the truth here, get fucked. It wasn't her turn, except to pay for the actual crimes that mafia of a family has committed. We voted our President into office, not Russia. They are bitter that they got caught, that she didn't win, and their corruption was exposed. Uranium One, easy enough. I hope they try to impeach the greatest President for the American people, because I think at that point the light will shine and expose all the rats. Declass, all of it, fuck it.

    Uranium One

    :D holy shit you people are incredible. I would say don't breed but you're all old, so your worthless spawn are most likely already haunting this world
    They are and they are well armed!
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Amid all the fuss over President Obama’s “ransom” payment to Iran to free US hostages, less scrutinized is the president’s justification for airlifting cash to Tehran: that we owed them the money. It deserves more attention, because the administration has failed to make its case.

    To review: On Wednesday, the Wall Street Journal reported that the Obama administration not only paid $400 million in cash to Iran on Jan. 17, but $1.3 billion more in cash in two subsequent shipments — all in Swiss francs, euros and other currencies. The administration claims the payments were returning money Iran paid in 1979 under the Foreign Military Sales program for military equipment it ordered but did not receive, plus interest.

    It’s a misdirection. And as Congress returns from its recess, it’s time to focus on two key questions the administration has been refusing to answer ever since the beginning of the year: How was the payment calculated, and was it really due?

    In his Jan. 17 announcement, Obama cast the payment as a favorable settlement of Iran’s claim for its 1979 payment. He said he had potentially saved “billions of dollars” Iran could have pursued at the Iran-US Claims Tribunal at The Hague. But the administration has repeatedly refused to answer questions about the merits of the claim or the amount of the payment.

    Not for lack of trying on the part of Congress.

    On Feb. 3, Rep. Edward J. Royce (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, requested “all legal analyses . . . evaluating the likelihood of Iran prevailing in this dispute” and a “detailed explanation of how the interest payment to Iran of $1.3 billion was calculated.”

    Six weeks later, Assistant Secretary of State for Legislative Affairs Julia Frifield responded that the United States “could well have faced significant [additional] exposure in the billions of dollars,” because “Iran was of course seeking very high rates of interest,” and “we are confident that this was a good settlement for the American taxpayer.”

    But she provided neither a legal analysis of the claim nor a calculation of the interest paid.

    The State Department’s response also noted that the United States “has a significant counterclaim against Iran arising out of the [Foreign Military Sales] program” seeking “substantial damages.” But the administration has declined to explain the nature and amount of its counterclaim, or why it paid Iran’s claim and left its own counterclaim for future litigation.

    Moreover, the administration had more than $400 million in other claims against Iran, arising under the “Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act,” for court judgments it holds against Iran for terrorist attacks against Americans. That law specifically provided that “no funds shall be paid to Iran . . . from the Foreign Military Sales Fund, until [such claims] have been dealt with to the satisfaction of the United States.”

    In a Jan. 29 letter, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) asked why the administration had paid Iran its claim before Iran satisfied the VTVPA claims — which total $465 million plus interest. The administration responded it had resolved the VTVPA claims “by securing a favorable resolution on the interest owed” Iran. But in a June 1 letter to Secretary of State John Kerry, Royce computed the maximum Iranian claim arising out of the 1979 payment as $1.8 billion — before considering any offsets in American claims against Iran.

    We currently don’t know whether, after such offsets, the United States owed Iran anything at all.

    In his Aug. 4 press conference, the president contended that “we were completely open with everybody” about the payment to Iran. He said his lawyers assessed that “there was significant litigation risk” regarding Iran’s claim.

    But the administration hasn’t disclosed how it calculated its payment, or the amount of its counterclaim, or how the VTVPA claims were resolved by the payment, or why the administration thought Iran would prevail in a lawsuit that surely would have considered counterclaims.

    Since the administration has withheld the legal analysis, the computation, the details of the offsets and counterclaims and the explanation of why it paid Iran without first consulting the relevant congressional committees, we need more information to evaluate the administration’s repeated insistence that this was a good deal.

    We need — to be specific — the information Congress has been requesting for more than seven months.


    https://nypost.com/2016/09/08/no-we-didnt-owe-iran-that-1-7-billion-ransom-payment/

    So you are saying you were lying a few posts up when you said hundreds of billions of dollars?
  • MariotaTheGawd
    MariotaTheGawd Member Posts: 1,441

    Amid all the fuss over President Obama’s “ransom” payment to Iran to free US hostages, less scrutinized is the president’s justification for airlifting cash to Tehran: that we owed them the money. It deserves more attention, because the administration has failed to make its case.

    To review: On Wednesday, the Wall Street Journal reported that the Obama administration not only paid $400 million in cash to Iran on Jan. 17, but $1.3 billion more in cash in two subsequent shipments — all in Swiss francs, euros and other currencies. The administration claims the payments were returning money Iran paid in 1979 under the Foreign Military Sales program for military equipment it ordered but did not receive, plus interest.

    It’s a misdirection. And as Congress returns from its recess, it’s time to focus on two key questions the administration has been refusing to answer ever since the beginning of the year: How was the payment calculated, and was it really due?

    In his Jan. 17 announcement, Obama cast the payment as a favorable settlement of Iran’s claim for its 1979 payment. He said he had potentially saved “billions of dollars” Iran could have pursued at the Iran-US Claims Tribunal at The Hague. But the administration has repeatedly refused to answer questions about the merits of the claim or the amount of the payment.

    Not for lack of trying on the part of Congress.

    On Feb. 3, Rep. Edward J. Royce (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, requested “all legal analyses . . . evaluating the likelihood of Iran prevailing in this dispute” and a “detailed explanation of how the interest payment to Iran of $1.3 billion was calculated.”

    Six weeks later, Assistant Secretary of State for Legislative Affairs Julia Frifield responded that the United States “could well have faced significant [additional] exposure in the billions of dollars,” because “Iran was of course seeking very high rates of interest,” and “we are confident that this was a good settlement for the American taxpayer.”

    But she provided neither a legal analysis of the claim nor a calculation of the interest paid.

    The State Department’s response also noted that the United States “has a significant counterclaim against Iran arising out of the [Foreign Military Sales] program” seeking “substantial damages.” But the administration has declined to explain the nature and amount of its counterclaim, or why it paid Iran’s claim and left its own counterclaim for future litigation.

    Moreover, the administration had more than $400 million in other claims against Iran, arising under the “Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act,” for court judgments it holds against Iran for terrorist attacks against Americans. That law specifically provided that “no funds shall be paid to Iran . . . from the Foreign Military Sales Fund, until [such claims] have been dealt with to the satisfaction of the United States.”

    In a Jan. 29 letter, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) asked why the administration had paid Iran its claim before Iran satisfied the VTVPA claims — which total $465 million plus interest. The administration responded it had resolved the VTVPA claims “by securing a favorable resolution on the interest owed” Iran. But in a June 1 letter to Secretary of State John Kerry, Royce computed the maximum Iranian claim arising out of the 1979 payment as $1.8 billion — before considering any offsets in American claims against Iran.

    We currently don’t know whether, after such offsets, the United States owed Iran anything at all.

    In his Aug. 4 press conference, the president contended that “we were completely open with everybody” about the payment to Iran. He said his lawyers assessed that “there was significant litigation risk” regarding Iran’s claim.

    But the administration hasn’t disclosed how it calculated its payment, or the amount of its counterclaim, or how the VTVPA claims were resolved by the payment, or why the administration thought Iran would prevail in a lawsuit that surely would have considered counterclaims.

    Since the administration has withheld the legal analysis, the computation, the details of the offsets and counterclaims and the explanation of why it paid Iran without first consulting the relevant congressional committees, we need more information to evaluate the administration’s repeated insistence that this was a good deal.

    We need — to be specific — the information Congress has been requesting for more than seven months.


    https://nypost.com/2016/09/08/no-we-didnt-owe-iran-that-1-7-billion-ransom-payment/

    man you really owned me with this hack job from a murdoch-owned tabloid
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,695 Founders Club
    but but but fuck off

    There was no need to pay them shit
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    Reading the stuff last night from Cohen's testimony, I thought Trump would have some serious problems following his appearance before Congress. I've watched 30 minutes of the testimony. Michael Cohen is not objectively credible. Each side is going to believe or disbelieve what they want. Opponents have always thought Trump was a racist scumbag, and supporters either don't care or don't believe. I don't see how this testimony changes anything. Wasserburg-Schultz tried to get #Collusion out of Cohen and that didn't go anywhere.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,406
    Sledog said:

    Postal91 said:

    You look over Cohen's shoulder and there sits one of the biggest Clinton loyalists... Lanny Davis. Anyone that doesn't see the truth here, get fucked. It wasn't her turn, except to pay for the actual crimes that mafia of a family has committed. We voted our President into office, not Russia. They are bitter that they got caught, that she didn't win, and their corruption was exposed. Uranium One, easy enough. I hope they try to impeach the greatest President for the American people, because I think at that point the light will shine and expose all the rats. Declass, all of it, fuck it.

    Uranium One

    :D holy shit you people are incredible. I would say don't breed but you're all old, so your worthless spawn are most likely already haunting this world
    They are and they are well armed!
    And Mall Cop Man marks a strange evolutionary detour.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,695 Founders Club
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    Reading the stuff last night from Cohen's testimony, I thought Trump would have some serious problems following his appearance before Congress. I've watched 30 minutes of the testimony. Michael Cohen is not objectively credible. Each side is going to believe or disbelieve what they want. Opponents have always thought Trump was a racist scumbag, and supporters either don't care or don't believe. I don't see how this testimony changes anything. Wasserburg-Schultz tried to get #Collusion out of Cohen and that didn't go anywhere.

    Sure.
  • jecornel
    jecornel Member Posts: 9,737

    Reading the stuff last night from Cohen's testimony, I thought Trump would have some serious problems following his appearance before Congress. I've watched 30 minutes of the testimony. Michael Cohen is not objectively credible. Each side is going to believe or disbelieve what they want. Opponents have always thought Trump was a racist scumbag, and supporters either don't care or don't believe. I don't see how this testimony changes anything. Wasserburg-Schultz tried to get #Collusion out of Cohen and that didn't go anywhere.

    Dog and pony show of horseshit. What a waste of time.