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83% of dems in SC, CA, IA, NV, NH more likely to support pres cand that’s for the Green New Deal

allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
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http://origin.lcv.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Five-Early-State-Climate-Survey.pdf

Uh oh.

B-b-b-ut Venezuela! And $6000! And cow farts! SHES GOING TO BAN PLANES!!!!!!! LENIN!!!!!!

Welcome to socialist America. Thanks AOC.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,861
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    allpurpleallgold said:

    http://origin.lcv.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Five-Early-State-Climate-Survey.pdf

    Uh oh.

    B-b-b-ut Venezuela! And $6000! And cow farts! SHES GOING TO BAN PLANES!!!!!!! LENIN!!!!!!

    Welcome to socialist America. Thanks AOC.

    Socialism doesn't fit with the constitution. HTH
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    CuntWaffle said:

    The Green New Deal sounds like it was written by a bunch of hippie 19 year olds who just got done smoking a very potent blunt.

    You haven't actually read the document. Idiot.
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    allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
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    Sledog said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    http://origin.lcv.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Five-Early-State-Climate-Survey.pdf

    Uh oh.

    B-b-b-ut Venezuela! And $6000! And cow farts! SHES GOING TO BAN PLANES!!!!!!! LENIN!!!!!!

    Welcome to socialist America. Thanks AOC.

    Socialism doesn't fit with the constitution. HTH
    You haven’t actually read the document. Idiot.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,861
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    allpurpleallgold said:

    Sledog said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    http://origin.lcv.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Five-Early-State-Climate-Survey.pdf

    Uh oh.

    B-b-b-ut Venezuela! And $6000! And cow farts! SHES GOING TO BAN PLANES!!!!!!! LENIN!!!!!!

    Welcome to socialist America. Thanks AOC.

    Socialism doesn't fit with the constitution. HTH
    You haven’t actually read the document. Idiot.
    You haven't actually read the constitution. Maroon.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    Sledog said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Sledog said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    http://origin.lcv.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Five-Early-State-Climate-Survey.pdf

    Uh oh.

    B-b-b-ut Venezuela! And $6000! And cow farts! SHES GOING TO BAN PLANES!!!!!!! LENIN!!!!!!

    Welcome to socialist America. Thanks AOC.

    Socialism doesn't fit with the constitution. HTH
    You haven’t actually read the document. Idiot.
    You haven't actually read the constitution. Maroon.
    I'd like to see your case on how the GND isn't constitutional. Quoting the GND and the Constitution would be welcomed.
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    allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
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    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Sledog said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    http://origin.lcv.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Five-Early-State-Climate-Survey.pdf

    Uh oh.

    B-b-b-ut Venezuela! And $6000! And cow farts! SHES GOING TO BAN PLANES!!!!!!! LENIN!!!!!!

    Welcome to socialist America. Thanks AOC.

    Socialism doesn't fit with the constitution. HTH
    You haven’t actually read the document. Idiot.
    You haven't actually read the constitution. Maroon.
    I'd like to see your case on how the GND isn't constitutional. Quoting the GND and the Constitution would be welcomed.
    Third amendment, the right to own cows. Dumb fucking libtard.
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    greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,279
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    Aren't like 75% of Dems for that retarded legislation anyway?

    The legislation on the surface looks great, especially for those that want clean energy. The problem is once the actual costs get out, how many middle class people are willing to pay additional taxes and higher energy costs? Don't tell me only the rich will pay, because the rich will find a way not to pay, that's why they are rich. This shit will have to get passed to the middle class, and there is no way in hell that they'll go for it.

    People vote on morals, likability, social concerns, but the most heavily valued driver of votes has and always will be money. Sure, the bluest of blue states will go for it even after these numbers are advertised. However, this will never get approval from swings states, and at least for another 10-15 years there are still enough swing states to matter.
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    MariotaTheGawdMariotaTheGawd Member Posts: 1,441
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    greenblood said:

    Aren't like 75% of Dems for that retarded legislation anyway?

    The legislation on the surface looks great, especially for those that want clean energy. The problem is once the actual costs get out, how many middle class people are willing to pay additional taxes and higher energy costs? Don't tell me only the rich will pay, because the rich will find a way not to pay, that's why they are rich. This shit will have to get passed to the middle class, and there is no way in hell that they'll go for it.

    People vote on morals, likability, social concerns, but the most heavily valued driver of votes has and always will be money. Sure, the bluest of blue states will go for it even after these numbers are advertised. However, this will never get approval from swings states, and at least for another 10-15 years there are still enough swing states to matter.

    Why even have taxes if some people aren't going to pay them? Why even have laws?
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    greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,279
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    MariotaTheGawd said:

    greenblood said:

    Aren't like 75% of Dems for that retarded legislation anyway?

    The legislation on the surface looks great, especially for those that want clean energy. The problem is once the actual costs get out, how many middle class people are willing to pay additional taxes and higher energy costs? Don't tell me only the rich will pay, because the rich will find a way not to pay, that's why they are rich. This shit will have to get passed to the middle class, and there is no way in hell that they'll go for it.

    People vote on morals, likability, social concerns, but the most heavily valued driver of votes has and always will be money. Sure, the bluest of blue states will go for it even after these numbers are advertised. However, this will never get approval from swings states, and at least for another 10-15 years there are still enough swing states to matter.

    Why even have taxes if some people aren't going to pay them? Why even have laws?
    It's almost like when you have money you can hire professionals so some laws don't have to pertain to you. Strange isn't it?
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    MariotaTheGawdMariotaTheGawd Member Posts: 1,441
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    greenblood said:

    MariotaTheGawd said:

    greenblood said:

    Aren't like 75% of Dems for that retarded legislation anyway?

    The legislation on the surface looks great, especially for those that want clean energy. The problem is once the actual costs get out, how many middle class people are willing to pay additional taxes and higher energy costs? Don't tell me only the rich will pay, because the rich will find a way not to pay, that's why they are rich. This shit will have to get passed to the middle class, and there is no way in hell that they'll go for it.

    People vote on morals, likability, social concerns, but the most heavily valued driver of votes has and always will be money. Sure, the bluest of blue states will go for it even after these numbers are advertised. However, this will never get approval from swings states, and at least for another 10-15 years there are still enough swing states to matter.

    Why even have taxes if some people aren't going to pay them? Why even have laws?
    It's almost like when you have money you can hire professionals so some laws don't have to pertain to you. Strange isn't it?
    That's not really answering the question, but I'm guessing you know that
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    MariotaTheGawd said:

    greenblood said:

    Aren't like 75% of Dems for that retarded legislation anyway?

    The legislation on the surface looks great, especially for those that want clean energy. The problem is once the actual costs get out, how many middle class people are willing to pay additional taxes and higher energy costs? Don't tell me only the rich will pay, because the rich will find a way not to pay, that's why they are rich. This shit will have to get passed to the middle class, and there is no way in hell that they'll go for it.

    People vote on morals, likability, social concerns, but the most heavily valued driver of votes has and always will be money. Sure, the bluest of blue states will go for it even after these numbers are advertised. However, this will never get approval from swings states, and at least for another 10-15 years there are still enough swing states to matter.

    Why even have taxes if some people aren't going to pay them? Why even have laws?
    I'm hearing taxes are only collected at the threat of violence.
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    greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,279
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    MariotaTheGawd said:

    greenblood said:

    MariotaTheGawd said:

    greenblood said:

    Aren't like 75% of Dems for that retarded legislation anyway?

    The legislation on the surface looks great, especially for those that want clean energy. The problem is once the actual costs get out, how many middle class people are willing to pay additional taxes and higher energy costs? Don't tell me only the rich will pay, because the rich will find a way not to pay, that's why they are rich. This shit will have to get passed to the middle class, and there is no way in hell that they'll go for it.

    People vote on morals, likability, social concerns, but the most heavily valued driver of votes has and always will be money. Sure, the bluest of blue states will go for it even after these numbers are advertised. However, this will never get approval from swings states, and at least for another 10-15 years there are still enough swing states to matter.

    Why even have taxes if some people aren't going to pay them? Why even have laws?
    It's almost like when you have money you can hire professionals so some laws don't have to pertain to you. Strange isn't it?
    That's not really answering the question, but I'm guessing you know that
    You should have answered mine first, but whatever.

    Middle class people in general are not going to want clean energy in exchange for a higher tax and energy cost burden. It has high approval now, because most don't think they'll pay for it. This is the main reason Bernie lost to Hillary in the primary. You can't be mainstream and support large tax increases. Bernie and AOC get a lot of press and viewership, but they only attract the loud minority of the party. Their policies like this sound great and hit at the moral heartstrings, but as more as more information comes out on it, people back off their pledge for it.
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    UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 14,265
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    Might as well not even vote on it is what I'm hearing. I look forward to it getting passed in congress very soon.
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    greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,279
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    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Might as well not even vote on it is what I'm hearing. I look forward to it getting passed in congress very soon.

    That's exactly what would happen
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    allpurpleallgold said:

    http://origin.lcv.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Five-Early-State-Climate-Survey.pdf

    Uh oh.

    B-b-b-ut Venezuela! And $6000! And cow farts! SHES GOING TO BAN PLANES!!!!!!! LENIN!!!!!!

    Welcome to socialist America. Thanks AOC.

    Wow imagine that. A majority of all people who say they support puppies and ice cream. Do you know how fucking stupid and worthless these kind of polls are? You ask people if they would support transitioning all of American energy needs to renewable and green friendly sources in the next 15 years and damn if you don't get a majority of people to say that they'd support it.

    Now ask them that exact same question and only ask them if they'd still support it if it meant that they'd be paying twice as much for their energy cost or that they'd have to have an electric car.

    The fact that you think this polls are of any significance reveals you for the lightweight you are dude.
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    allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
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    Anyone on the left that doesn’t vote for it is going to get primaried by someone that does support it. You better hope it becomes unpopular.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,861
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    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Sledog said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    http://origin.lcv.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Five-Early-State-Climate-Survey.pdf

    Uh oh.

    B-b-b-ut Venezuela! And $6000! And cow farts! SHES GOING TO BAN PLANES!!!!!!! LENIN!!!!!!

    Welcome to socialist America. Thanks AOC.

    Socialism doesn't fit with the constitution. HTH
    You haven’t actually read the document. Idiot.
    You haven't actually read the constitution. Maroon.
    I'd like to see your case on how the GND isn't constitutional. Quoting the GND and the Constitution would be welcomed.
    That whole redistribution of wealth and equal treatment under the law shit might be important.
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    AOC said polls showed 70% of New Yorkers didn't want Amazon
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