Universal Basic Income - Freedom Dividend

2001400ex said:

Fenderbender123 said:

I've been saying this for years, so hopefully I'm right, but I really don't see automation killing the economy or putting people permanently out of work. We have always replaced jobs whenever automation hits a big sector. And everyone always says "but this time is different!" and they are always right when they say that, but the outcome is always the same.

As long as humans are available, we can be hired to perform value adding tasks that machines can't. And as long as businesses are competitive they will hire to achieve that edge.

We are shifting from a manufacturing to a technology based economy. There are jobs being replaced by automation, and it's been happening for years. But someone needs to program the computers for automation. This creates jobs. It's not one for one, but it's also not a 100% lots of jobs either, a percentage is replaced by IT people. And people to manufacture the machines.

I tell my boy to either go to college for staple professional jobs that'll always be there such as accounting or engineering. Or pharmacy/medical that'll always be there. Or technology. Which is replacing low level or middle class jobs with high paying jobs.

Pitchfork51 said:

jecornel said:

People are mired in credit card debt, millennials have stopped paying their car loans, people can't save $400 bucks.......so...let's.......give people free money. Because I'm sure it won't go towards the latest iphone or beats.

I'm all for safety nets to a degree, but let's not go off the fucking rails here.

Sure automation will have impacts moving forward, but currently there are unrealized problems that will have to be solved by humans. You can't just say AI and automation are going to ruin everything and the future is doomed. Yes, automation is already here and it has tremendous upside but let's not make blanket statements that everything is fucked.

Other types of employment will come forth as technology and needs change. It will require adapting.

Though the phone provides just enough distraction that the clueless and blind will rely on handouts, and taxpayers will be asked to bail them out.

The younger generation believes you can make a fucking career from using Instagram. Hey let me show my ass and I will get followers and then I can be a public figure. Hey, let me be an influencer on social media and then I charge an appearance fee. Social media and mobile phones have really fucked some shit up. There is still value in face to face communication.

This is a spectacularly crotchety post. Have a chin.

MikeDamone said:

greenblood said:

I'm for UBI if it gets rid of Welfare

Milton had some thoughts.

https://youtu.be/FWcTMGaOHWA

pawz said:

Interesting conversation.

As could be expected, my knee-jerk reaction to UBI is fuck that. Simply giving people money won't solve anything. It's fucking expensive. You may may create apathy in a population ... etc

That said, automation and artificial intelligence in the workplace is going to render millions without jobs over the next 10 years. To be fair to the business owner, there are many sound reasons for the implementation of automation and artificial intelligence. But still.

Most of the jobs lost will be to people who won't be rehire-able in the work force. And #learntocode (training higher skill sets) won't realistically be an option for the majority displaced.

One can make a legit case for the automation-replacing-labor in the swing states is what ushered in the #MAGA presidency.

Staying out in front seems better than waiting to after the fact when people are legit displaced, without options.. to think this group of proud blue collar workers will take this lying down is laughable.

Are there better ways to head-off this imminent, massive problem?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Yang_(entrepreneur)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTsEzmFamZ8
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jecornel said:

pawz said:

Interesting conversation.

As could be expected, my knee-jerk reaction to UBI is fuck that. Simply giving people money won't solve anything. It's fucking expensive. You may may create apathy in a population ... etc

That said, automation and artificial intelligence in the workplace is going to render millions without jobs over the next 10 years. To be fair to the business owner, there are many sound reasons for the implementation of automation and artificial intelligence. But still.

Most of the jobs lost will be to people who won't be rehire-able in the work force. And #learntocode (training higher skill sets) won't realistically be an option for the majority displaced.

One can make a legit case for the automation-replacing-labor in the swing states is what ushered in the #MAGA presidency.

Staying out in front seems better than waiting to after the fact when people are legit displaced, without options.. to think this group of proud blue collar workers will take this lying down is laughable.

Are there better ways to head-off this imminent, massive problem?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Yang_(entrepreneur)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTsEzmFamZ8
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Great conversation. He doesn't shit on vocational, apprenticeship training and trades which are viable jobs that can't be easily replaced by automation. There are also mental benefits of that type of work . Strongly believes college is over emphasized. You are paying three times more but not better a three times better product. College doesn't have to be for everyone plus you will be crushed by debt.

Though, he doesn't hurt insults or shit on a large group of people. May get boring for some.

Worth listening to him.

greenblood said:

Sledog said:

greenblood said:

MikeDamone said:

greenblood said:

I'm for UBI if it gets rid of Welfare

Milton had some thoughts.

https://youtu.be/FWcTMGaOHWA

True story. Went to Costco one time and saw a couple druggies opening up cases of bottled water and dumping them in the parking lot so they could convert their food stamps into cash.

If they are going to do shit like that, just give them the money. Much more efficient.

Just don't give them anything.

When Obingo turned loose the food stamps and welfare all came on a card they all go buy booze, cigarettes and strippers.

You have to give them something. Provide nothing and crime goes up ten fold

allpurpleallgold said:

jecornel said:

pawz said:

Interesting conversation.

As could be expected, my knee-jerk reaction to UBI is fuck that. Simply giving people money won't solve anything. It's fucking expensive. You may may create apathy in a population ... etc

That said, automation and artificial intelligence in the workplace is going to render millions without jobs over the next 10 years. To be fair to the business owner, there are many sound reasons for the implementation of automation and artificial intelligence. But still.

Most of the jobs lost will be to people who won't be rehire-able in the work force. And #learntocode (training higher skill sets) won't realistically be an option for the majority displaced.

One can make a legit case for the automation-replacing-labor in the swing states is what ushered in the #MAGA presidency.

Staying out in front seems better than waiting to after the fact when people are legit displaced, without options.. to think this group of proud blue collar workers will take this lying down is laughable.

Are there better ways to head-off this imminent, massive problem?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Yang_(entrepreneur)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTsEzmFamZ8
,

Great conversation. He doesn't shit on vocational, apprenticeship training and trades which are viable jobs that can't be easily replaced by automation. There are also mental benefits of that type of work . Strongly believes college is over emphasized. You are paying three times more but not better a three times better product. College doesn't have to be for everyone plus you will be crushed by debt.

Though, he doesn't hurt insults or shit on a large group of people. May get boring for some.

Worth listening to him.

Who shits on vocational, apprenticeships and trades?