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  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,412
    edited February 2019

    I'm for UBI if it gets rid of Welfare

    Milton had some thoughts.

    https://youtu.be/FWcTMGaOHWA
    True story. Went to Costco one time and saw a couple druggies opening up cases of bottled water and dumping them in the parking lot so they could convert their food stamps into cash.

    If they are going to do shit like that, just give them the money. Much more efficient.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,843 Standard Supporter

    I'm for UBI if it gets rid of Welfare

    Milton had some thoughts.

    https://youtu.be/FWcTMGaOHWA
    True story. Went to Costco one time and saw a couple druggies opening up cases of bottled water and dumping them in the parking lot so they could convert their food stamps into cash.

    If they are going to do shit like that, just give them the money. Much more efficient.
    Just don't give them anything.

    When Obingo turned loose the food stamps and welfare all came on a card they all go buy booze, cigarettes and strippers.
  • jecorneljecornel Member Posts: 9,727
    pawz said:

    Interesting conversation.

    As could be expected, my knee-jerk reaction to UBI is fuck that. Simply giving people money won't solve anything. It's fucking expensive. You may may create apathy in a population ... etc

    That said, automation and artificial intelligence in the workplace is going to render millions without jobs over the next 10 years. To be fair to the business owner, there are many sound reasons for the implementation of automation and artificial intelligence. But still.

    Most of the jobs lost will be to people who won't be rehire-able in the work force. And #learntocode (training higher skill sets) won't realistically be an option for the majority displaced.

    One can make a legit case for the automation-replacing-labor in the swing states is what ushered in the #MAGA presidency.

    Staying out in front seems better than waiting to after the fact when people are legit displaced, without options.. to think this group of proud blue collar workers will take this lying down is laughable.

    Are there better ways to head-off this imminent, massive problem?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Yang_(entrepreneur)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTsEzmFamZ8
    ,





    Great conversation. He doesn't shit on vocational, apprenticeship training and trades which are viable jobs that can't be easily replaced by automation. There are also mental benefits of that type of work . Strongly believes college is over emphasized. You are paying three times more but not better a three times better product. College doesn't have to be for everyone plus you will be crushed by debt.

    Though, he doesn't hurt insults or shit on a large group of people. May get boring for some.

    Worth listening to him.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,843 Standard Supporter
    I think we should begin right now. How about all those in favor of guaranteed income start writing checks to the lowest earners on this board.
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    jecornel said:

    pawz said:

    Interesting conversation.

    As could be expected, my knee-jerk reaction to UBI is fuck that. Simply giving people money won't solve anything. It's fucking expensive. You may may create apathy in a population ... etc

    That said, automation and artificial intelligence in the workplace is going to render millions without jobs over the next 10 years. To be fair to the business owner, there are many sound reasons for the implementation of automation and artificial intelligence. But still.

    Most of the jobs lost will be to people who won't be rehire-able in the work force. And #learntocode (training higher skill sets) won't realistically be an option for the majority displaced.

    One can make a legit case for the automation-replacing-labor in the swing states is what ushered in the #MAGA presidency.

    Staying out in front seems better than waiting to after the fact when people are legit displaced, without options.. to think this group of proud blue collar workers will take this lying down is laughable.

    Are there better ways to head-off this imminent, massive problem?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Yang_(entrepreneur)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTsEzmFamZ8
    ,





    Great conversation. He doesn't shit on vocational, apprenticeship training and trades which are viable jobs that can't be easily replaced by automation. There are also mental benefits of that type of work . Strongly believes college is over emphasized. You are paying three times more but not better a three times better product. College doesn't have to be for everyone plus you will be crushed by debt.

    Though, he doesn't hurt insults or shit on a large group of people. May get boring for some.

    Worth listening to him.
    Who shits on vocational, apprenticeships and trades?
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,412
    Sledog said:

    I'm for UBI if it gets rid of Welfare

    Milton had some thoughts.

    https://youtu.be/FWcTMGaOHWA
    True story. Went to Costco one time and saw a couple druggies opening up cases of bottled water and dumping them in the parking lot so they could convert their food stamps into cash.

    If they are going to do shit like that, just give them the money. Much more efficient.
    Just don't give them anything.

    When Obingo turned loose the food stamps and welfare all came on a card they all go buy booze, cigarettes and strippers.
    You have to give them something. Provide nothing and crime goes up ten fold
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,843 Standard Supporter
    I think we should begin right now. How about all those in favor of guaranteed income start writing checks to the lowest earners on this board.

    Sledog said:

    I'm for UBI if it gets rid of Welfare

    Milton had some thoughts.

    https://youtu.be/FWcTMGaOHWA
    True story. Went to Costco one time and saw a couple druggies opening up cases of bottled water and dumping them in the parking lot so they could convert their food stamps into cash.

    If they are going to do shit like that, just give them the money. Much more efficient.
    Just don't give them anything.

    When Obingo turned loose the food stamps and welfare all came on a card they all go buy booze, cigarettes and strippers.
    You have to give them something. Provide nothing and crime goes up ten fold
    Really? We're supposed to pay them not to commit crime?

    You are way around the bend. I suggest you move to another country. What you want will require a civil war. Why Go through all that when you can move?
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,412
    edited February 2019
    Sledog said:

    I think we should begin right now. How about all those in favor of guaranteed income start writing checks to the lowest earners on this board.

    Sledog said:

    I'm for UBI if it gets rid of Welfare

    Milton had some thoughts.

    https://youtu.be/FWcTMGaOHWA
    True story. Went to Costco one time and saw a couple druggies opening up cases of bottled water and dumping them in the parking lot so they could convert their food stamps into cash.

    If they are going to do shit like that, just give them the money. Much more efficient.
    Just don't give them anything.

    When Obingo turned loose the food stamps and welfare all came on a card they all go buy booze, cigarettes and strippers.
    You have to give them something. Provide nothing and crime goes up ten fold
    Really? We're supposed to pay them not to commit crime?

    You are way around the bend. I suggest you move to another country. What you want will require a civil war. Why Go through all that when you can move?
    On the contrary...every country that doesn’t provide any assistance for the poor is in a civil war, or ruled by a dictator.
  • jecorneljecornel Member Posts: 9,727

    jecornel said:

    pawz said:

    Interesting conversation.

    As could be expected, my knee-jerk reaction to UBI is fuck that. Simply giving people money won't solve anything. It's fucking expensive. You may may create apathy in a population ... etc

    That said, automation and artificial intelligence in the workplace is going to render millions without jobs over the next 10 years. To be fair to the business owner, there are many sound reasons for the implementation of automation and artificial intelligence. But still.

    Most of the jobs lost will be to people who won't be rehire-able in the work force. And #learntocode (training higher skill sets) won't realistically be an option for the majority displaced.

    One can make a legit case for the automation-replacing-labor in the swing states is what ushered in the #MAGA presidency.

    Staying out in front seems better than waiting to after the fact when people are legit displaced, without options.. to think this group of proud blue collar workers will take this lying down is laughable.

    Are there better ways to head-off this imminent, massive problem?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Yang_(entrepreneur)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTsEzmFamZ8
    ,





    Great conversation. He doesn't shit on vocational, apprenticeship training and trades which are viable jobs that can't be easily replaced by automation. There are also mental benefits of that type of work . Strongly believes college is over emphasized. You are paying three times more but not better a three times better product. College doesn't have to be for everyone plus you will be crushed by debt.

    Though, he doesn't hurt insults or shit on a large group of people. May get boring for some.

    Worth listening to him.
    Who shits on vocational, apprenticeships and trades?
    You must have not attended college.
  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,928 Founders Club
    Sledog said:

    I think we should begin right now. How about all those in favor of guaranteed income start writing checks to the lowest earners on this board.

    Sledog said:

    I'm for UBI if it gets rid of Welfare

    Milton had some thoughts.

    https://youtu.be/FWcTMGaOHWA
    True story. Went to Costco one time and saw a couple druggies opening up cases of bottled water and dumping them in the parking lot so they could convert their food stamps into cash.

    If they are going to do shit like that, just give them the money. Much more efficient.
    Just don't give them anything.

    When Obingo turned loose the food stamps and welfare all came on a card they all go buy booze, cigarettes and strippers.
    You have to give them something. Provide nothing and crime goes up ten fold
    Really? We're supposed to pay them not to commit crime?

    You are way around the bend. I suggest you move to another country. What you want will require a civil war. Why Go through all that when you can move?
    Myopic view. I recommend psilocybin.

    There are potentially millions displaced. If we don't prepare for what's coming, we are going to get civil war.
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    jecornel said:

    jecornel said:

    pawz said:

    Interesting conversation.

    As could be expected, my knee-jerk reaction to UBI is fuck that. Simply giving people money won't solve anything. It's fucking expensive. You may may create apathy in a population ... etc

    That said, automation and artificial intelligence in the workplace is going to render millions without jobs over the next 10 years. To be fair to the business owner, there are many sound reasons for the implementation of automation and artificial intelligence. But still.

    Most of the jobs lost will be to people who won't be rehire-able in the work force. And #learntocode (training higher skill sets) won't realistically be an option for the majority displaced.

    One can make a legit case for the automation-replacing-labor in the swing states is what ushered in the #MAGA presidency.

    Staying out in front seems better than waiting to after the fact when people are legit displaced, without options.. to think this group of proud blue collar workers will take this lying down is laughable.

    Are there better ways to head-off this imminent, massive problem?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Yang_(entrepreneur)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTsEzmFamZ8
    ,





    Great conversation. He doesn't shit on vocational, apprenticeship training and trades which are viable jobs that can't be easily replaced by automation. There are also mental benefits of that type of work . Strongly believes college is over emphasized. You are paying three times more but not better a three times better product. College doesn't have to be for everyone plus you will be crushed by debt.

    Though, he doesn't hurt insults or shit on a large group of people. May get boring for some.

    Worth listening to him.
    Who shits on vocational, apprenticeships and trades?
    You must have not attended college.
    So, no one in politics. Thanks.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,843 Standard Supporter
    pawz said:

    Sledog said:

    I think we should begin right now. How about all those in favor of guaranteed income start writing checks to the lowest earners on this board.

    Sledog said:

    I'm for UBI if it gets rid of Welfare

    Milton had some thoughts.

    https://youtu.be/FWcTMGaOHWA
    True story. Went to Costco one time and saw a couple druggies opening up cases of bottled water and dumping them in the parking lot so they could convert their food stamps into cash.

    If they are going to do shit like that, just give them the money. Much more efficient.
    Just don't give them anything.

    When Obingo turned loose the food stamps and welfare all came on a card they all go buy booze, cigarettes and strippers.
    You have to give them something. Provide nothing and crime goes up ten fold
    Really? We're supposed to pay them not to commit crime?

    You are way around the bend. I suggest you move to another country. What you want will require a civil war. Why Go through all that when you can move?
    Myopic view. I recommend psilocybin.

    There are potentially millions displaced. If we don't prepare for what's coming, we are going to get civil war.
    Socialism tends to do that. We have 8, maybe 9 now, generations of the same familys on welfare. It was never meant for lifetime support.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited February 2019
    Sledog said:

    I think we should begin right now. How about all those in favor of guaranteed income start writing checks to the lowest earners on this board.

    Sledog said:

    I'm for UBI if it gets rid of Welfare

    Milton had some thoughts.

    https://youtu.be/FWcTMGaOHWA
    True story. Went to Costco one time and saw a couple druggies opening up cases of bottled water and dumping them in the parking lot so they could convert their food stamps into cash.

    If they are going to do shit like that, just give them the money. Much more efficient.
    Just don't give them anything.

    When Obingo turned loose the food stamps and welfare all came on a card they all go buy booze, cigarettes and strippers.
    You have to give them something. Provide nothing and crime goes up ten fold
    Really? We're supposed to pay them not to commit crime?

    You are way around the bend. I suggest you move to another country. What you want will require a civil war. Why Go through all that when you can move?
    At some point it might be better just to pay those who’s personal habits and culture are inferior to not commit crimes. Keep them at bay. Not a lot. Just enough so they are somewhat content. A pitence to keep the animals at bay.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,843 Standard Supporter
    edited February 2019

    Sledog said:

    I think we should begin right now. How about all those in favor of guaranteed income start writing checks to the lowest earners on this board.

    Sledog said:

    I'm for UBI if it gets rid of Welfare

    Milton had some thoughts.

    https://youtu.be/FWcTMGaOHWA
    True story. Went to Costco one time and saw a couple druggies opening up cases of bottled water and dumping them in the parking lot so they could convert their food stamps into cash.

    If they are going to do shit like that, just give them the money. Much more efficient.
    Just don't give them anything.

    When Obingo turned loose the food stamps and welfare all came on a card they all go buy booze, cigarettes and strippers.
    You have to give them something. Provide nothing and crime goes up ten fold
    Really? We're supposed to pay them not to commit crime?

    You are way around the bend. I suggest you move to another country. What you want will require a civil war. Why Go through all that when you can move?
    At some point it might be better just to pay those who’s personal habits and culture are inferior to not commit crimes. Keep them at bay. Not a lot. Just enough so they are somewhat content. A pitence to keep the animals at bay.
    we'll let Hondo and C dawg run work camps where we can keep an eye on them. The worthless are kept out of trouble and two other worthless people have a job. Win! win!
  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,928 Founders Club
    Sledog said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:

    I think we should begin right now. How about all those in favor of guaranteed income start writing checks to the lowest earners on this board.

    Sledog said:

    I'm for UBI if it gets rid of Welfare

    Milton had some thoughts.

    https://youtu.be/FWcTMGaOHWA
    True story. Went to Costco one time and saw a couple druggies opening up cases of bottled water and dumping them in the parking lot so they could convert their food stamps into cash.

    If they are going to do shit like that, just give them the money. Much more efficient.
    Just don't give them anything.

    When Obingo turned loose the food stamps and welfare all came on a card they all go buy booze, cigarettes and strippers.
    You have to give them something. Provide nothing and crime goes up ten fold
    Really? We're supposed to pay them not to commit crime?

    You are way around the bend. I suggest you move to another country. What you want will require a civil war. Why Go through all that when you can move?
    Myopic view. I recommend psilocybin.

    There are potentially millions displaced. If we don't prepare for what's coming, we are going to get civil war.
    Socialism tends to do that. We have 8, maybe 9 now, generations of the same familys on welfare. It was never meant for lifetime support.
    Ask me how I know you didn't listen to even 3min of the OP video?
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,843 Standard Supporter
  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,928 Founders Club
    Sledog said:

    Nope TLDL

    Thank you for admitting your ignorance. Now kindly stfu the rest of the thread.
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,412

    Sledog said:

    I think we should begin right now. How about all those in favor of guaranteed income start writing checks to the lowest earners on this board.

    Sledog said:

    I'm for UBI if it gets rid of Welfare

    Milton had some thoughts.

    https://youtu.be/FWcTMGaOHWA
    True story. Went to Costco one time and saw a couple druggies opening up cases of bottled water and dumping them in the parking lot so they could convert their food stamps into cash.

    If they are going to do shit like that, just give them the money. Much more efficient.
    Just don't give them anything.

    When Obingo turned loose the food stamps and welfare all came on a card they all go buy booze, cigarettes and strippers.
    You have to give them something. Provide nothing and crime goes up ten fold
    Really? We're supposed to pay them not to commit crime?

    You are way around the bend. I suggest you move to another country. What you want will require a civil war. Why Go through all that when you can move?
    At some point it might be better just to pay those who’s personal habits and culture are inferior to not commit crimes. Keep them at bay. Not a lot. Just enough so they are somewhat content. A pitence to keep the animals at bay.
    This

    Pay a little bit of tax or pay by having to replace your stolen crap and some tax on hiring more police.
  • BennyBeaverBennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    Sledog said:

    I'm for UBI if it gets rid of Welfare

    Milton had some thoughts.

    https://youtu.be/FWcTMGaOHWA
    True story. Went to Costco one time and saw a couple druggies opening up cases of bottled water and dumping them in the parking lot so they could convert their food stamps into cash.

    If they are going to do shit like that, just give them the money. Much more efficient.
    Just don't give them anything.

    When Obingo turned loose the food stamps and welfare all came on a card they all go buy booze, cigarettes and strippers.
    Helps the economy IMO.
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