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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    I think we should cut taxes and eliminate the minimum wage. So businesses can stop replacing workers with automation.

    Shut the fuck up.

    Wait a minute. I heard for years that high taxes and minimum wage are causing businesses to replace workers with machines. You don't like to hear that now?

    And really it solves both problems, I've been hearing for years that business need lower taxes and lower wages then they can hire more people.

    So cut taxes and end minimum wage and we don't need UBI.
    Shut the fuck up
    Race doesn't like his own talking points now.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    2001400ex said:

    I think we should cut taxes and eliminate the minimum wage. So businesses can stop replacing workers with automation.

    Do you want me to tell you your logical fallacy, or do you already know?
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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,572
    I'm for UBI if it gets rid of Welfare
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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,572
    2001400ex said:

    Fenderbender123 said:

    I've been saying this for years, so hopefully I'm right, but I really don't see automation killing the economy or putting people permanently out of work. We have always replaced jobs whenever automation hits a big sector. And everyone always says "but this time is different!" and they are always right when they say that, but the outcome is always the same.

    As long as humans are available, we can be hired to perform value adding tasks that machines can't. And as long as businesses are competitive they will hire to achieve that edge.

    We are shifting from a manufacturing to a technology based economy. There are jobs being replaced by automation, and it's been happening for years. But someone needs to program the computers for automation. This creates jobs. It's not one for one, but it's also not a 100% lots of jobs either, a percentage is replaced by IT people. And people to manufacture the machines.

    I tell my boy to either go to college for staple professional jobs that'll always be there such as accounting or engineering. Or pharmacy/medical that'll always be there. Or technology. Which is replacing low level or middle class jobs with high paying jobs.
    There will always be a job for Accountants, Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, Professors/Teachers, Law Enforcement, Technology, Investments, and Sales.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    greenblood said:

    I'm for UBI if it gets rid of Welfare

    Milton had some thoughts.

    https://youtu.be/FWcTMGaOHWA
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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,690
    jecornel said:

    People are mired in credit card debt, millennials have stopped paying their car loans, people can't save $400 bucks.......so...let's.......give people free money. Because I'm sure it won't go towards the latest iphone or beats.

    I'm all for safety nets to a degree, but let's not go off the fucking rails here.

    Sure automation will have impacts moving forward, but currently there are unrealized problems that will have to be solved by humans. You can't just say AI and automation are going to ruin everything and the future is doomed. Yes, automation is already here and it has tremendous upside but let's not make blanket statements that everything is fucked.

    Other types of employment will come forth as technology and needs change. It will require adapting.

    Though the phone provides just enough distraction that the clueless and blind will rely on handouts, and taxpayers will be asked to bail them out.

    The younger generation believes you can make a fucking career from using Instagram. Hey let me show my ass and I will get followers and then I can be a public figure. Hey, let me be an influencer on social media and then I charge an appearance fee. Social media and mobile phones have really fucked some shit up. There is still value in face to face communication.

    This is a spectacularly crotchety post. Have a chin.
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  • jecornel
    jecornel Member Posts: 9,737
    Pitchfork51 said:

    jecornel said:

    People are mired in credit card debt, millennials have stopped paying their car loans, people can't save $400 bucks.......so...let's.......give people free money. Because I'm sure it won't go towards the latest iphone or beats.

    I'm all for safety nets to a degree, but let's not go off the fucking rails here.

    Sure automation will have impacts moving forward, but currently there are unrealized problems that will have to be solved by humans. You can't just say AI and automation are going to ruin everything and the future is doomed. Yes, automation is already here and it has tremendous upside but let's not make blanket statements that everything is fucked.

    Other types of employment will come forth as technology and needs change. It will require adapting.

    Though the phone provides just enough distraction that the clueless and blind will rely on handouts, and taxpayers will be asked to bail them out.

    The younger generation believes you can make a fucking career from using Instagram. Hey let me show my ass and I will get followers and then I can be a public figure. Hey, let me be an influencer on social media and then I charge an appearance fee. Social media and mobile phones have really fucked some shit up. There is still value in face to face communication.

    This is a spectacularly crotchety post. Have a chin.

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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,708 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Fenderbender123 said:

    I've been saying this for years, so hopefully I'm right, but I really don't see automation killing the economy or putting people permanently out of work. We have always replaced jobs whenever automation hits a big sector. And everyone always says "but this time is different!" and they are always right when they say that, but the outcome is always the same.

    As long as humans are available, we can be hired to perform value adding tasks that machines can't. And as long as businesses are competitive they will hire to achieve that edge.

    We are shifting from a manufacturing to a technology based economy. There are jobs being replaced by automation, and it's been happening for years. But someone needs to program the computers for automation. This creates jobs. It's not one for one, but it's also not a 100% lots of jobs either, a percentage is replaced by IT people. And people to manufacture the machines.

    I tell my boy to either go to college for staple professional jobs that'll always be there such as accounting or engineering. Or pharmacy/medical that'll always be there. Or technology. Which is replacing low level or middle class jobs with high paying jobs.
    You have kids? Impossible.
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