My wife was a high school English teacher for a decade. Every single one of the whiny excuses dismissed here were the case with her. She was National Board certified, was required to get the equivalent of a masters on the side while doing her day job, brought about 20 hours worth of work home with her per week, and topped out at about $60K (theoretically; she would have made that had she worked full-time, but this was impossible after the kids were born). The upside was getting nine weeks off in breaks every year. In the meantime, Common Core meant that every teacher had to completely revamp their lesson plans every year, so there was no getting into a groove, parents would blame her for their little shits being retards, and the kids became increasingly cruel. I could see the above arguments being valid for, say, a PE teacher or elementary school teacher or sixth grad math or something, but there are plenty of public school teachers that really do bust ass.
I pretty much begged her to quit, as she was only bringing home $500 per month after daycare, and I wasn't able to do shit on the weekends because she was grading papers. I could literally pick up one overtime shift per month and double what she brought in, so it just seemed stupid for her to be occupied seven days per week. My free time multiplied by ten for just $500 per month. It was a no-brainer. After the kids started school, she didn't want to sit around, so now she's running a business that's bringing in nearly what she was making teaching but with far fewer hours, a completely flexible schedule, and she's way happier. Win-win.
At the peak of her earning, I was making three times what she made (with better benefits and six weeks vacation to her nine) while 80% of my job involves napping, watching races or football games, surfing Hardcore Husky, etc. If we want to discuss allergic to work, try spending a day at a refinery surrounded by pussy liberal refinery workers. My biggest challenge every shift these days is getting the console operator to put the Nintendo Switch down for a second to advance permissives so I can turn a valve. It takes me two months to train an operator at a new job because they can only pay attention for a couple of hours per day. I've seen battles that last a whole day over the audacious suggestion that one perform an honest hour of work.
Solid post. There are some great English teachers out there teaching AP classes and busting their asses.
Many take the route of no papers. No papers = Less work for teachers. Research allegedly shows that doing papers is of no value and AP classes don’t work well with Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. Specific minorities are underrepresented in AP classes. Solution: Eliminate AP classes.
As an aside, your wife must have worked at a small town or school district if top pay was $60,000.
My sister was an elementary school teacher at a school district in Southern California for 41 years. Collects a pension of $113,000 (give or take). Figure she’s been paid over $2M (give or take) since retirement.
BTW: She worked in a CA city that has declared bankruptcy.
Boot poor performance. Schools should be local. Open schools to enrollment no boundaries. The free market will work this shit out in few months. Money follows the child.
The establishment of the Department of Education under Jimmy Carter was a huge mistake.
A bloated bureaucracy ensued . . . Education has deteriorated since it’s inception.
Boot poor performance. Schools should be local. Open schools to enrollment no boundaries. The free market will work this shit out in few months. Money follows the child.
The establishment of the Department of Education under Jimmy Carter was a huge mistake.
A bloated bureaucracy ensued . . . Education has deteriorated since it’s inception.
Ah, but the Teacher Unions and the dem party are flush with taxpayer dollars. Actual mission accomplished, phuck the kids.
The superintendent of TUSD tried to open in November of 2020, but the teachers, unions, and a corrupt bored member cried bloody murder. So the children lose.
You guys had two years to change the narrative. Two years of kids staying home being taught by mom and dad
The kids got dumber. Test scores are worse. They hated being with their parents so much….Kids started killing themselves and needing to go to therapy.
And that is whose fault? That's not my team, that is your team. My team would be Team DeSantis and yours is team Chinslee, Brown and Newsom. Send the money with the student and then the parents could have picked a school that didn't shut down.
You guys had two years to change the narrative. Two years of kids staying home being taught by mom and dad
The kids got dumber. Test scores are worse. They hated being with their parents so much….Kids started killing themselves and needing to go to therapy.
Parents had to work and teachers showed they aren't capable or interested in working remotely, or actually working period.
That’s my point in the op ams it’s painfully obvious. Ever check teachers social media the night a snowstorm is predicted and school will be cancelled? It’s embarrassing.
I always chuckle when it's like pay them what they are worth!
Idk babysitters are pretty low paid.
But people who are teachers are generally morons. All millennials have known since the 90s its a bad job and you won't get paid well.
So those who grow up knowing this, become one, then complain about it are retarded
The ones who complain the most are the least likely to quit their horrible underpaid jobs and go do something else. The average teacher is paid just fine. The below average teachers are way overpaid and the above average teachers are underpaid. The fact that Americans vote for democrats that are owned by the teacher unions and won't fire poor performers but would rather have their kids fail to learn reading, writing and arithmetic is just a sign of the high character of our nation.
Except they aren’t underpaid. No matter how much they get, they still drive the “underpaid” narrative. 4 years ago we have the “Mccleary” decision where schools had to be fully funded by the state. Teachers got 20-30% raises. Our property taxes went to 20-30%. The intent was schools wouldn’t have to rely on local levy’s. It took almost no time before schools and teachers started in again bitching about no money and local levy’s.
Here are the salaries. Remember to add 20-30% to these numbers for benefits
I'm talking about difference makers. Like math teachers, a quality English teacher who can communicate the beauty of the written word and can teach you to write a proper essay or science teacher that actually teaches science and not a bunch of made up bull sh*t. I had some of these and have always respected their work and commitment. I was lucky because I was mostly in AP type classes with great teachers and a peer group that actually wanted to learn. After law school, you usually take a Bar Preparation class. In it, they basically told the students to use an essay type approach to answering written questions, like develop your thesis in you opening paragraphs, support your thesis in the body of your essay and then have a conclusion tying it together. I'd been doing that since middle school. That approach was a shock to many law school grads in the prep class who had made it through law school, like the dementia patient (who finished 75 out of 86 grads) who most likely failed the bar exam on his first attempt.
I agree that the administrators are overpaid and most should just be fired and never replaced.
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It’s difficult to determine, but the fact Biden graduated from law school one year before the year in which he passed the bar suggests he probably failed the bar at least once, as most lawyers first take the bar exam in the year they graduate. Biden would be in good company among his Democratic political friends, as Kamala Harris, Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton each failed the bar exam the first time they took it, something that only about 1 in 4 lawyers manages to do.
PS Our crack US Senator Ron Wyden failed the Oregon bar exam three times, then gave up. But they all claim to be so smart.
Add HHusky to the list of first time failures on the Bar examination.
You guys had two years to change the narrative. Two years of kids staying home being taught by mom and dad
The kids got dumber. Test scores are worse. They hated being with their parents so much….Kids started killing themselves and needing to go to therapy.
Parents had to work and teachers showed they aren't capable or interested in working remotely, or actually working period.
That’s my point in the op ams it’s painfully obvious. Ever check teachers social media the night a snowstorm is predicted and school will be cancelled? It’s embarrassing.
Especially since I was getting ready to drive to downtown Portland for work. That's what God invented four wheel drive for. No snow days for me except for a couple when it got really bad. Never two days in a row.
I think we should pay teachers more money. I say that because my friends on Facebook all give me likes. Not really sure why they should get more but I feel good as a person for saying things like this.
I think we should pay teachers more money so all the loser leftists wouldn't make the cut anymore.
What’s a starting salary for a public school teacher k-8? Something like 50 grand? Sheeeit we pay couriers that much.
Pay teachers more and you’ll attract better talent into teaching. Cut out the rotten administrative apparatus that gobbles up all of the funding.
I don’t buy for a minute that teachers are going into their own pockets for school supplies in any sort of mass scale, but if you’re going to require a masters equivalent then they shouldn’t make less than an Uber driver.
It’ll never happen which is why unless you’re in a good district you need to pull your kids from public schools. We’re fortunate in that regard. Most of our teachers have been fine. They’re all leftist virtue-signalling millennials but the ones I’ve talked to actually want to go in and teach core curriculum, and are opposed to VL their way through a bunch of bullshit. The latter is typically pushed at the activist level, which is not rank and file teachers, in my experience.
Go to a PTA meeting and you’ll easily see where this shit manifests and festers.
Paying more won’t get better teachers unless the union goes away and people are measured and compensated according to results.
What’s wrong with starting right out of college at $55k and Cadillac benefits with summers off, spring break, Christmas off and all holidays. It’s a fucking part time job.
I’m 100% in favor of neutering the teachers Union and defunding the administrative glut in education. Use the money to hire real talent back from private schools and evaluate teachers on performance-based metrics.
If 60% of your incoming students read at your grade level and 75% hit that mark at the end of the year, you get comped for that improvement.
The ONLY thing preventing incentive-based educating is the Union. That’s it. Unions exist now almost wholly to protect shitty employees.
I think we should pay teachers more money. I say that because my friends on Facebook all give me likes. Not really sure why they should get more but I feel good as a person for saying things like this.
I think we should pay teachers more money so all the loser leftists wouldn't make the cut anymore.
Lulz. You know better than most it doesn't work that way with union labor.
You guys had two years to change the narrative. Two years of kids staying home being taught by mom and dad
The kids got dumber. Test scores are worse. They hated being with their parents so much….Kids started killing themselves and needing to go to therapy.
Parents had to work and teachers showed they aren't capable or interested in working remotely, or actually working period.
That’s my point in the op ams it’s painfully obvious. Ever check teachers social media the night a snowstorm is predicted and school will be cancelled? It’s embarrassing.
Especially since I was getting ready to drive to downtown Portland for work. That's what God invented four wheel drive for. No snow days for me except for a couple when it got really bad. Never two days in a row.
I drove all last winter 8 to 10 hours a day I got studs on my vehicle I was fine....... snow days for teachers is BS
A teacher with a masters. How much better are they with it? Do they have more skills than an Uber driver?
0 virtue signaling lib millennials will be teaching my kids.
If teachers with masters degrees get paid more I assume it's because they are better teachers? If you had a kid in a grade with a mix of teachers with masters vs some with bachelors degrees wouldn't the parents insist on the teachers with masters. And why would the district put some kids with sub par teachers?
It's because having a masters doesn't mean shit with actual job performance.
What’s a starting salary for a public school teacher k-8? Something like 50 grand? Sheeeit we pay couriers that much.
Pay teachers more and you’ll attract better talent into teaching. Cut out the rotten administrative apparatus that gobbles up all of the funding.
I don’t buy for a minute that teachers are going into their own pockets for school supplies in any sort of mass scale, but if you’re going to require a masters equivalent then they shouldn’t make less than an Uber driver.
It’ll never happen which is why unless you’re in a good district you need to pull your kids from public schools. We’re fortunate in that regard. Most of our teachers have been fine. They’re all leftist virtue-signalling millennials but the ones I’ve talked to actually want to go in and teach core curriculum, and are opposed to VL their way through a bunch of bullshit. The latter is typically pushed at the activist level, which is not rank and file teachers, in my experience.
Go to a PTA meeting and you’ll easily see where this shit manifests and festers.
Paying more won’t get better teachers unless the union goes away and people are measured and compensated according to results.
What’s wrong with starting right out of college at $55k and Cadillac benefits with summers off, spring break, Christmas off and all holidays. It’s a fucking part time job.
I’m 100% in favor of neutering the teachers Union and defunding the administrative glut in education. Use the money to hire real talent back from private schools and evaluate teachers on performance-based metrics.
If 60% of your incoming students read at your grade level and 75% hit that mark at the end of the year, you get comped for that improvement.
The ONLY thing preventing incentive-based educating is the Union. That’s it. Unions exist now almost wholly to protect shitty employees.
Part the reason is this requiring a master's bullshit. Get rid of that nonsense. That's completely absurd. You'd be insane to do it from a cost benefit perspective
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Many take the route of no papers. No papers = Less work for teachers. Research allegedly shows that doing papers is of no value and AP classes don’t work well with Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. Specific minorities are underrepresented in AP classes. Solution: Eliminate AP classes.
As an aside, your wife must have worked at a small town or school district if top pay was $60,000.
My sister was an elementary school teacher at a school district in Southern California for 41 years. Collects a pension of $113,000 (give or take). Figure she’s been paid over $2M (give or take) since retirement.
BTW: She worked in a CA city that has declared bankruptcy.
A bloated bureaucracy ensued . . . Education has deteriorated since it’s inception.
The kids got dumber. Test scores are worse. They hated being with their parents so much….Kids started killing themselves and needing to go to therapy.
PS You suck at this like you suck at everything.
If 60% of your incoming students read at your grade level and 75% hit that mark at the end of the year, you get comped for that improvement.
The ONLY thing preventing incentive-based educating is the Union. That’s it. Unions exist now almost wholly to protect shitty employees.
Shitty nurses
Shitty cops
Shitty teachers
Shitty administrators
It’s all the same.
It's because having a masters doesn't mean shit with actual job performance.