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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,551 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

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    Sledog said:

    Lets just agree that the founders didn't just return from a deer hunt. They had just liberated a nation from a tyrannical government! They were only able to do so because the populace had arms and militias.

    Most people don't know the shot heard around the world was due to an attempt by the Brits to disarm the colonists. They were marching to seize arms and powder stores.

    We are free because of armed men who were brave enough to say "Enough" and "Never".

    BidenBros say control me more daddy!

    Well I did know that, and I've been to the scene.

    Scalia treated "well-regulated militia" as having no effect whatsoever.

    That's not proper interpretation of any written document.
    What dies "well regulated" in the 2A.

    Use your own words, Betty
    It meant a citizen soldier militia that would avoid any necessity for a standing army. You might well be expected to defend the country; it wasn’t written to allow you to overthrow the government. It wasn’t about an individual right to own guns.

    Scalia was a selective “originalist”.
    It’s also to defend yourself and your natural rights if/when the government becomes tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson was the original originalist. You know this, you’re just being dishonest. Helen.
    TJ is but one of the founders, Beatrice. Definitely not the only one to comment on the right to bear arms.
    Pretty sure he is an originalist, Dorothy. More so than people you keep mentioning. So your argument is “other people said thing too”? Deep take, ma’am
    Deeper than any take on Jefferson, who wasn’t even at the Constitutional Convention after all.

    “A well regulated Militia, composed of gentlemen freeholders, and other freemen, is the natural strength and only stable security of a free Government.”
    -George Mason (emphasis mine)

    "I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
    - George Mason
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,551 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    Lets just agree that the founders didn't just return from a deer hunt. They had just liberated a nation from a tyrannical government! They were only able to do so because the populace had arms and militias.

    Most people don't know the shot heard around the world was due to an attempt by the Brits to disarm the colonists. They were marching to seize arms and powder stores.

    We are free because of armed men who were brave enough to say "Enough" and "Never".

    BidenBros say control me more daddy!

    Well I did know that, and I've been to the scene.

    Scalia treated "well-regulated militia" as having no effect whatsoever.

    That's not proper interpretation of any written document.
    What dies "well regulated" in the 2A.

    Use your own words, Betty
    It meant a citizen soldier militia that would avoid any necessity for a standing army. You might well be expected to defend the country; it wasn’t written to allow you to overthrow the government. It wasn’t about an individual right to own guns.

    Scalia was a selective “originalist”.
    It’s also to defend yourself and your natural rights if/when the government becomes tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson was the original originalist. You know this, you’re just being dishonest. Helen.
    TJ is but one of the founders, Beatrice. Definitely not the only one to comment on the right to bear arms.
    Pretty sure he is an originalist, Dorothy. More so than people you keep mentioning. So your argument is “other people said thing too”? Deep take, ma’am
    Deeper than any take on Jefferson, who wasn’t even at the Constitutional Convention after all.

    “A well regulated Militia, composed of gentlemen freeholders, and other freemen, is the natural strength and only stable security of a free Government.”
    -George Mason (emphasis mine)

    "To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them."
    - George Mason
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,551 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    Lets just agree that the founders didn't just return from a deer hunt. They had just liberated a nation from a tyrannical government! They were only able to do so because the populace had arms and militias.

    Most people don't know the shot heard around the world was due to an attempt by the Brits to disarm the colonists. They were marching to seize arms and powder stores.

    We are free because of armed men who were brave enough to say "Enough" and "Never".

    BidenBros say control me more daddy!

    Well I did know that, and I've been to the scene.

    Scalia treated "well-regulated militia" as having no effect whatsoever.

    That's not proper interpretation of any written document.
    What dies "well regulated" in the 2A.

    Use your own words, Betty
    It meant a citizen soldier militia that would avoid any necessity for a standing army. You might well be expected to defend the country; it wasn’t written to allow you to overthrow the government. It wasn’t about an individual right to own guns.

    Scalia was a selective “originalist”.
    It’s also to defend yourself and your natural rights if/when the government becomes tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson was the original originalist. You know this, you’re just being dishonest. Helen.
    TJ is but one of the founders, Beatrice. Definitely not the only one to comment on the right to bear arms.
    Pretty sure he is an originalist, Dorothy. More so than people you keep mentioning. So your argument is “other people said thing too”? Deep take, ma’am
    Deeper than any take on Jefferson, who wasn’t even at the Constitutional Convention after all.

    “A well regulated Militia, composed of gentlemen freeholders, and other freemen, is the natural strength and only stable security of a free Government.”
    -George Mason (emphasis mine)

    "A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
    - Richard Henry Lee
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,551 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    Lets just agree that the founders didn't just return from a deer hunt. They had just liberated a nation from a tyrannical government! They were only able to do so because the populace had arms and militias.

    Most people don't know the shot heard around the world was due to an attempt by the Brits to disarm the colonists. They were marching to seize arms and powder stores.

    We are free because of armed men who were brave enough to say "Enough" and "Never".

    BidenBros say control me more daddy!

    Well I did know that, and I've been to the scene.

    Scalia treated "well-regulated militia" as having no effect whatsoever.

    That's not proper interpretation of any written document.
    What dies "well regulated" in the 2A.

    Use your own words, Betty
    It meant a citizen soldier militia that would avoid any necessity for a standing army. You might well be expected to defend the country; it wasn’t written to allow you to overthrow the government. It wasn’t about an individual right to own guns.

    Scalia was a selective “originalist”.
    It’s also to defend yourself and your natural rights if/when the government becomes tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson was the original originalist. You know this, you’re just being dishonest. Helen.
    TJ is but one of the founders, Beatrice. Definitely not the only one to comment on the right to bear arms.
    Pretty sure he is an originalist, Dorothy. More so than people you keep mentioning. So your argument is “other people said thing too”? Deep take, ma’am
    Deeper than any take on Jefferson, who wasn’t even at the Constitutional Convention after all.

    “A well regulated Militia, composed of gentlemen freeholders, and other freemen, is the natural strength and only stable security of a free Government.”
    -George Mason (emphasis mine)

    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
    - Patrick Henry

  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,551 Founders Club
    edited June 2022
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    Lets just agree that the founders didn't just return from a deer hunt. They had just liberated a nation from a tyrannical government! They were only able to do so because the populace had arms and militias.

    Most people don't know the shot heard around the world was due to an attempt by the Brits to disarm the colonists. They were marching to seize arms and powder stores.

    We are free because of armed men who were brave enough to say "Enough" and "Never".

    BidenBros say control me more daddy!

    Well I did know that, and I've been to the scene.

    Scalia treated "well-regulated militia" as having no effect whatsoever.

    That's not proper interpretation of any written document.
    What dies "well regulated" in the 2A.

    Use your own words, Betty
    It meant a citizen soldier militia that would avoid any necessity for a standing army. You might well be expected to defend the country; it wasn’t written to allow you to overthrow the government. It wasn’t about an individual right to own guns.

    Scalia was a selective “originalist”.
    It’s also to defend yourself and your natural rights if/when the government becomes tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson was the original originalist. You know this, you’re just being dishonest. Helen.
    TJ is but one of the founders, Beatrice. Definitely not the only one to comment on the right to bear arms.
    Pretty sure he is an originalist, Dorothy. More so than people you keep mentioning. So your argument is “other people said thing too”? Deep take, ma’am
    Deeper than any take on Jefferson, who wasn’t even at the Constitutional Convention after all.

    “A well regulated Militia, composed of gentlemen freeholders, and other freemen, is the natural strength and only stable security of a free Government.”
    -George Mason (emphasis mine)

    "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
    - Samuel Adams
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,551 Founders Club
    "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
    - Alexander Hamilton