Mariners are playing .500 ball bitches!
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I love how marinoors are celebrating this as some great accomplishment. If the seahawks we 2-2 (basically the equivalent of 15-15) everyone would be pissed
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MOOF!!!!!
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Mariners over .500!!!! I tried telling nega Mariners like Tequilla that this Mariners team is legit!
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Ron_Fairly wants to know how Almonte is doingHe_Needs_More_Time said:Mariners over .500!!!! I tried telling nega Mariners like Tequilla that this Mariners team is legit!
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My silence on Almonte speaks volumes..............monroecougdad said:
Ron_Fairly wants to know how Almonte is doingHe_Needs_More_Time said:Mariners over .500!!!! I tried telling nega Mariners like Tequilla that this Mariners team is legit!
* I haven't watched at all but assuming he's playing like shit which was to be expected. -
Gotta say I'm cautiously optimistic about the Mariners. When you look at the numbers you don't see anybody who's really played above their heads so far except for maybe Paxton and even with some inevitable regression there they should improve by getting him back. You know Cano is going to hit much better than he has so far, and you have to feel like they'll get a lot more out of SS either with Miller taking a step forward or being replaced by Franklin.
They just added Iwakuma and subtracted Almonte, both of those should be pretty significant moves that will make their mark over time. And if Walker ever gets healthy you've got six legit arms for five spots, so there's a little margin for someone to get hurt.
Their run differential is plus 5 after tonight, so it's not like they're getting lucky. They're a legitimate .500 team at this point, and it seems to me they're more likely to improve than regress going forward.
I had them at around 76 wins coming into the year. They're still not a playoff team, but I may have been a bit low.
Of course, that June schedules a bitch, so I guess they'll come back to earth then... -
let's see. 5 errors in 20 something games. 258 obp.He_Needs_More_Time said:
My silence on Almonte speaks volumes..............monroecougdad said:
Ron_Fairly wants to know how Almonte is doingHe_Needs_More_Time said:Mariners over .500!!!! I tried telling nega Mariners like Tequilla that this Mariners team is legit!
* I haven't watched at all but assuming he's playing like shit which was to be expected.
Should've been demoted ages ago -
Should have never made the opening day roster. He sucked in Spring Training and after the opening series didn't do jack shit.dhdawg said:
let's see. 5 errors in 20 something games. 258 obp.He_Needs_More_Time said:
My silence on Almonte speaks volumes..............monroecougdad said:
Ron_Fairly wants to know how Almonte is doingHe_Needs_More_Time said:Mariners over .500!!!! I tried telling nega Mariners like Tequilla that this Mariners team is legit!
* I haven't watched at all but assuming he's playing like shit which was to be expected.
Should've been demoted ages ago
Too fat to play CF and his plate discipline is fucking terrible. -
My guess is that they'll get out of May 3-5 games above .500 ...dnc said:Gotta say I'm cautiously optimistic about the Mariners. When you look at the numbers you don't see anybody who's really played above their heads so far except for maybe Paxton and even with some inevitable regression there they should improve by getting him back. You know Cano is going to hit much better than he has so far, and you have to feel like they'll get a lot more out of SS even with Miller taking a step forward or being replaced by Franklin.
They just added Iwakuma and subtracted Almonte, both of those should be pretty significant moves that will make their mark over time. And if Walker ever gets healthy you've got six legit arms for five spots, so there's a little margin for someone to get hurt.
Their run differential is plus 5 after tonight, so it's not like they're getting lucky. They're a legitimate .500 team at this point, and it seems to me they're more likely to improve than regress going forward.
I had them at around 76 wins coming into the year. They're still not a playoff team, but I may have been a bit low.
Of course, that June schedules a bitch, so I guess they'll come back to earth then...
Oakland is probably good enough to still win 90+ and win the division. But with the way the rest of the division is looking, the Mariners could very easily stumble into 85-90 wins this year if the rotation gets back healthy. The pen is still a giant question mark though. The offense is young, will have ups and downs, but in general, is a massive improvement over what has been here for most of the last 5-10 years. -
Agreed. Texas has gotten REALLY lucky to be above .500 with the way they've played, their run differential is pretty bad. They are getting healthy though, so there's no assurance of regression there.He_Needs_More_Time said:
My guess is that they'll get out of May 3-5 games above .500 ...dnc said:Gotta say I'm cautiously optimistic about the Mariners. When you look at the numbers you don't see anybody who's really played above their heads so far except for maybe Paxton and even with some inevitable regression there they should improve by getting him back. You know Cano is going to hit much better than he has so far, and you have to feel like they'll get a lot more out of SS even with Miller taking a step forward or being replaced by Franklin.
They just added Iwakuma and subtracted Almonte, both of those should be pretty significant moves that will make their mark over time. And if Walker ever gets healthy you've got six legit arms for five spots, so there's a little margin for someone to get hurt.
Their run differential is plus 5 after tonight, so it's not like they're getting lucky. They're a legitimate .500 team at this point, and it seems to me they're more likely to improve than regress going forward.
I had them at around 76 wins coming into the year. They're still not a playoff team, but I may have been a bit low.
Of course, that June schedules a bitch, so I guess they'll come back to earth then...
Oakland is probably good enough to still win 90+ and win the division. But with the way the rest of the division is looking, the Mariners could very easily stumble into 85-90 wins this year if the rotation gets back healthy. The pen is still a giant question mark though. The offense is young, will have ups and downs, but in general, is a massive improvement over what has been here for most of the last 5-10 years.
I think it's still Oakland or Texas' division to lose, but the M's could potentially at least keep it semi close down the stretch which would be interesting.
If they turn back into the Mariners it will also be interesting. -
well I had them at 78-84 at the beginning, then 500 after 2 weeks, then 75-87 after that losing streak. So I guess I'll adjust it to .500 again now.
They need Paxton and Pryor back. They also need to find a LHRP better than furshite.
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This team still sucks. They will be at least 7 games under .500 at the All Star Break.
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Sensing it is time to throw a high hard one, take off the gloves and rumble ...He_Needs_More_Time said:
My guess is that they'll get out of May 3-5 games above .500 ...dnc said:Gotta say I'm cautiously optimistic about the Mariners. When you look at the numbers you don't see anybody who's really played above their heads so far except for maybe Paxton and even with some inevitable regression there they should improve by getting him back. You know Cano is going to hit much better than he has so far, and you have to feel like they'll get a lot more out of SS even with Miller taking a step forward or being replaced by Franklin.
They just added Iwakuma and subtracted Almonte, both of those should be pretty significant moves that will make their mark over time. And if Walker ever gets healthy you've got six legit arms for five spots, so there's a little margin for someone to get hurt.
Their run differential is plus 5 after tonight, so it's not like they're getting lucky. They're a legitimate .500 team at this point, and it seems to me they're more likely to improve than regress going forward.
I had them at around 76 wins coming into the year. They're still not a playoff team, but I may have been a bit low.
Of course, that June schedules a bitch, so I guess they'll come back to earth then...
Oakland is probably good enough to still win 90+ and win the division. But with the way the rest of the division is looking, the Mariners could very easily stumble into 85-90 wins this year if the rotation gets back healthy. The pen is still a giant question mark though. The offense is young, will have ups and downs, but in general, is a massive improvement over what has been here for most of the last 5-10 years. -
Detroit and Oakland are proving to be the class of the AL right now at 19-9 and 19-14 respectively.
Houston was known to be fairly bad (and they are at 10-23) and Cleveland's got more pitching issues than I think that they were thinking they would have and is in their 14-19 record.
Everybody else in the AL is between 2 games over .500 and 3 games below .500.
Not saying that the Mariners are that team, but it's looking more and more likely that you will have a great chance to be a Wild Card team this year with 88-90 wins. -
Maybe so, we'll see. If they went on a 5 game losing streak starting tommorrow it wouldn't shock me. Team is so inconsistentRoadDawg55 said:This team still sucks. They will be at least 7 games under .500 at the All Star Break.
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Other than Cano, the rest of the lineup is batting 255 or worse. Thats a fucking horrible offense. No way they win 80 games.
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No question that the team hitting .235 is fucking terrible.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Other than Cano, the rest of the lineup is batting 255 or worse. Thats a fucking horrible offense. No way they win 80 games.
However, the league is hitting at a .251 clip and if you exclude Detroit's .281 average, the next highest is Texas at .265.
So you could argue that the AL as a whole is a dreckfest. -
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Guys no. Baseball is a long season they are going to have runs like this where they win 9 out of 11 or whatever. Even the Astros will have similar winning streaks.
Don't buy into anything right now, team is still garbage and will be averaging 1 run a game again soon. -
For someone who is so good with advanced metrics in other sports, gotta admit I'm shocked to see you site something as meaningless as batting average.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Other than Cano, the rest of the lineup is batting 255 or worse. Thats a fucking horrible offense. No way they win 80 games.
This offense is a dreckfest as always, but not because of it's batting average.
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They will play decent this month, then go 8-20 in June to officially end any Mariner talk except for the schmucks who want to cream over TaJuan Walker's dominant rehab start or some outfielder hitting .340 in AA.
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They are 26th in OBP. 23rd in team BA. 25th OPS. That is fucking awful no matter how you look at it. Especially considering they have scored 4 runs or more in their last 8 games so they were even lower before that.dnc said:
For someone who is so good with advanced metrics in other sports, gotta admit I'm shocked to see you site something as meaningless as batting average.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Other than Cano, the rest of the lineup is batting 255 or worse. Thats a fucking horrible offense. No way they win 80 games.
This offense is a dreckfest as always, but not because of it's batting average.
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"This offense is a dreckfest as always"CuntWaffle said:
They are 26th in OBP. 23rd in team BA. 25th OPS. That is fucking awful no matter how you look at it. Especially considering they have scored 4 runs or more in their last 8 games so they were even lower before that.dnc said:
For someone who is so good with advanced metrics in other sports, gotta admit I'm shocked to see you site something as meaningless as batting average.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Other than Cano, the rest of the lineup is batting 255 or worse. Thats a fucking horrible offense. No way they win 80 games.
This offense is a dreckfest as always, but not because of it's batting average.
If they could take a walk or hit for real pop they could still score runs despite their low average.CuntWaffle said:I fail to see how batting average doesn't play a part in the dreckfest.
Minnesota, for example, is just two spots ahead of the M's in batting average with a team BA of .244. We would all say that sucks. But they have an OBP of .335 (7th). Even with their SLG of .373 (21st, just one spot above the M's), they're 7th in runs scored.
OBP has a higher correlation to runs scored than any other stat. Batting average has a pretty weak correlation to run scored.
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And the Mariners have a worse OBP than they do Average.
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No one is arguing otherwise.CuntWaffle said:And the Mariners have a worse OBP than they do Average.
"This offense is a dreckfest as always"
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The closet Moogs are revealing themselves in this thread.
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Some of you need to learn the difference between DNC saying using basic facts like batting average is dumb between him still saying this offense fucking blows goats.
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I am more commenting on the being "cautiously optimistic" part. There is no reason to be even slightly optimistic. The pitching is pretty good but you won't win unless you consistently score runs. The Mariners have been swinging the bats better but they always do this, it is all in the script.
They will go back to being the team that loses 2-1. 3-0, 4-2 etc. soon enough. -
Looking more deeply into it, you're probably right. My thinking was 1) most of their year to date performances seem sustainable on an individual level and 2) on a team level their run differential is right in line with their record so they haven't been getting lucky by squeeking out fluky one run games.CuntWaffle said:I am more commenting on the being "cautiously optimistic" part. There is no reason to be even slightly optimistic. The pitching is pretty good but you won't win unless you consistently score runs. The Mariners have been swinging the bats better but they always do this, it is all in the script.
They will go back to being the team that loses 2-1. 3-0, 4-2 etc. soon enough.
What I failed to notice, and this discussion illuminates, is that the offense is getting real lucky when it comes to run scored. Their team OBP and OPS are not capable of sustaining a 17th place in runs scored. They are simply getting lucky with RISP, and we know that won't continue. They are going to fall back towards 23-27, and that regression is going to hurt.
I still think they're ultimately better than the team we've seen this far with Cano sure to hit for power at some point, Almonte 86'd and Iwakuma back, but those improvements will probably only make up for the luck they've had in runs scored so far.
I still like my over 8.5 wins in June, though. -
We might not be mathematically eliminated by the All Star break. So there's that.
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