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Michigan Kidnapping case blows up in the Government's face

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  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,233
    At the time the FBI announced the charges in October 2020, with the presidential campaign at a crucial point, Biden suggested that the defendants were white supremacists, and that Trump was at fault for the plot:

    There is no place for hate in America. And both of us [including Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) have been talking about this for some time, about how white supremacists and these militias area a genuine threat. I want to compliment the FBI and the police agencies for what they did, and how they stepped up. But look –the words of a president matter. Whether they can — you’ve heard me say this before. They can cause a nation to have th market rise or fall, go to war or bring peace, but they can also breathe oxygen into those who are filled with hate and danger, and I just think It’s got to stop. The president has to realize the words he utters matter.

    There was no evidence at the time tying Trump to the plot whatsoever, nor did any such evidence emerge during the trial.
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    Yeah right!

    https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-hold-door-for-pro-trump-protesters-video-shows/

    Oh and let me know who unlocked the magnetically sealed doors. Special high tech shit didn't unlock itself!

    A Capitol Police officer was seen politely holding the door for the pro-President Trump protesters to walk out of the building after they caused mayhem that forced lawmakers to barricade themselves inside.

    That's not entrapment, dumbshit.
    Mayhem. Sounds serious and untrue. Fuck off.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,971 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    OJ was acquitted.

    It's okay for the jury to say it wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt, even if they were guilty.

    That's our system.

    In other words, H still believes they're guilty and it wasn't a load of shit from the get-go. Got it.
    "Entrapment" means you did it. Whether allowing people to excuse their crimes on the basis that someone talked them into committing said crimes is a good or a bad thing is a philosophical debate.
    So Dazzler believes there are no chargeable "Attempted..." crimes. Got it.

    Dazzler continues to Dazzle.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,971 Standard Supporter
    edited April 2022

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    OJ was acquitted.

    It's okay for the jury to say it wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt, even if they were guilty.

    That's our system.

    In other words, H still believes they're guilty and it wasn't a load of shit from the get-go. Got it.
    "Entrapment" means you did it. Whether allowing people to excuse their crimes on the basis that someone talked them into committing said crimes is a good or a bad thing is a philosophical debate.
    It isn't a "philosophical debate". It's called the law, and the debate occurred a long-time ago and if you want to allow the government to entrap people, let us know. You approve of entrapment, the law does not. Feel to get entrapment approved as an appropriate use of government resources. Scratch a leftist, find a fascist.
    Careful. Mens Rea is miles beyond the Dazzler's grasp.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,872

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    OJ was acquitted.

    It's okay for the jury to say it wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt, even if they were guilty.

    That's our system.

    In other words, H still believes they're guilty and it wasn't a load of shit from the get-go. Got it.
    "Entrapment" means you did it. Whether allowing people to excuse their crimes on the basis that someone talked them into committing said crimes is a good or a bad thing is a philosophical debate.
    So Dazzler believes there are no chargeable "Attempted..." crimes. Got it.

    Dazzler continues to Dazzle.
    Eve should have had a better lawyer.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,971 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    OJ was acquitted.

    It's okay for the jury to say it wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt, even if they were guilty.

    That's our system.

    In other words, H still believes they're guilty and it wasn't a load of shit from the get-go. Got it.
    "Entrapment" means you did it. Whether allowing people to excuse their crimes on the basis that someone talked them into committing said crimes is a good or a bad thing is a philosophical debate.
    It isn't a "philosophical debate". It's called the law, and the debate occurred a long-time ago and if you want to allow the government to entrap people, let us know. You approve of entrapment, the law does not. Feel to get entrapment approved as an appropriate use of government resources. Scratch a leftist, find a fascist.
    It is the law, for the most part, today. It has not been the law for most of this country's history. It is very much a philosophical debate whether and when the defense should apply. Your suggestion to the contrary hints at your mental decline.

    But your sympathies for mouth breathing militia types who play soldier and plot felonies in the woods is noted.

    I have no problem with the verdict. The suggestible creatures acquitted are your base.
    And there's the vintage Dazzler weasel, right there.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,872

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    OJ was acquitted.

    It's okay for the jury to say it wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt, even if they were guilty.

    That's our system.

    In other words, H still believes they're guilty and it wasn't a load of shit from the get-go. Got it.
    "Entrapment" means you did it. Whether allowing people to excuse their crimes on the basis that someone talked them into committing said crimes is a good or a bad thing is a philosophical debate.
    It isn't a "philosophical debate". It's called the law, and the debate occurred a long-time ago and if you want to allow the government to entrap people, let us know. You approve of entrapment, the law does not. Feel to get entrapment approved as an appropriate use of government resources. Scratch a leftist, find a fascist.
    It is the law, for the most part, today. It has not been the law for most of this country's history. It is very much a philosophical debate whether and when the defense should apply. Your suggestion to the contrary hints at your mental decline.

    But your sympathies for mouth breathing militia types who play soldier and plot felonies in the woods is noted.

    I have no problem with the verdict. The suggestible creatures acquitted are your base.
    And there's the vintage Dazzler weasel, right there.
    Nuance is communism potd.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,971 Standard Supporter
    edited April 2022
    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    OJ was acquitted.

    It's okay for the jury to say it wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt, even if they were guilty.

    That's our system.

    In other words, H still believes they're guilty and it wasn't a load of shit from the get-go. Got it.
    "Entrapment" means you did it. Whether allowing people to excuse their crimes on the basis that someone talked them into committing said crimes is a good or a bad thing is a philosophical debate.
    So why weren't they convicted consuelo?
    Someone talked them into it, Inspector.

    Do try to keep up.
    That someone was the FBI. NTTAWIT in your world.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,872

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    OJ was acquitted.

    It's okay for the jury to say it wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt, even if they were guilty.

    That's our system.

    In other words, H still believes they're guilty and it wasn't a load of shit from the get-go. Got it.
    "Entrapment" means you did it. Whether allowing people to excuse their crimes on the basis that someone talked them into committing said crimes is a good or a bad thing is a philosophical debate.
    So why weren't they convicted consuelo?
    Someone talked them into it, Inspector.

    Do try to keep up.
    That someone was the FBI. NTTAWIT in your world.
    All we know for sure is the jury believed that was possible.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,971 Standard Supporter

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    OJ was acquitted.

    It's okay for the jury to say it wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt, even if they were guilty.

    That's our system.

    In other words, H still believes they're guilty and it wasn't a load of shit from the get-go. Got it.
    "Entrapment" means you did it. Whether allowing people to excuse their crimes on the basis that someone talked them into committing said crimes is a good or a bad thing is a philosophical debate.
    It isn't a "philosophical debate". It's called the law, and the debate occurred a long-time ago and if you want to allow the government to entrap people, let us know. You approve of entrapment, the law does not. Feel to get entrapment approved as an appropriate use of government resources. Scratch a leftist, find a fascist.
    It is the law, for the most part, today. It has not been the law for most of this country's history. It is very much a philosophical debate whether and when the defense should apply. Your suggestion to the contrary hints at your mental decline.

    But your sympathies for mouth breathing militia types who play soldier and plot felonies in the woods is noted.

    I have no problem with the verdict. The suggestible creatures acquitted are your base.
    Unlike the fascist blue governors and the dementia patient that aren't playing in the woods but are actively destroying American lives. Playing in the woods isnt' costing me a dime unlike your fascist base.
    So you endorse a defense which was rejected prior to the 20th Century.

    It's like you see a living, breathing Constitution or something.
    Unlike you, I actually went to law school and learned about these things called state statutes which under the state constitutions have been based by the legislature and signed into law by the governor. You suck at this.

    ORS 161.275
    Entrapment
    TEXT

    (1)The commission of acts which would otherwise constitute an offense is not criminal if the actor engaged in the proscribed conduct because the actor was induced to do so by a law enforcement official, or by a person acting in cooperation with a law enforcement official, for the purpose of obtaining evidence to be used against the actor in a criminal prosecution.

    (2)As used in this section, “induced” means that the actor did not contemplate and would not otherwise have engaged in the proscribed conduct.
    Merely affording the actor an opportunity to commit an offense does not constitute entrapment. [1971 c.743 §35]
    This is the part Dazzler cannot understand. Ever. Statist little goober he is.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,971 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    OJ was acquitted.

    It's okay for the jury to say it wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt, even if they were guilty.

    That's our system.

    In other words, H still believes they're guilty and it wasn't a load of shit from the get-go. Got it.
    "Entrapment" means you did it. Whether allowing people to excuse their crimes on the basis that someone talked them into committing said crimes is a good or a bad thing is a philosophical debate.
    It isn't a "philosophical debate". It's called the law, and the debate occurred a long-time ago and if you want to allow the government to entrap people, let us know. You approve of entrapment, the law does not. Feel to get entrapment approved as an appropriate use of government resources. Scratch a leftist, find a fascist.
    It is the law, for the most part, today. It has not been the law for most of this country's history. It is very much a philosophical debate whether and when the defense should apply. Your suggestion to the contrary hints at your mental decline.

    But your sympathies for mouth breathing militia types who play soldier and plot felonies in the woods is noted.

    I have no problem with the verdict. The suggestible creatures acquitted are your base.
    Unlike the fascist blue governors and the dementia patient that aren't playing in the woods but are actively destroying American lives. Playing in the woods isnt' costing me a dime unlike your fascist base.
    So you endorse a defense which was rejected prior to the 20th Century.

    It's like you see a living, breathing Constitution or something.
    Unlike you, I actually went to law school and learned about these things called state statutes which under the state constitutions have been based by the legislature and signed into law by the governor. You suck at this.

    ORS 161.275
    Entrapment
    TEXT

    (1)The commission of acts which would otherwise constitute an offense is not criminal if the actor engaged in the proscribed conduct because the actor was induced to do so by a law enforcement official, or by a person acting in cooperation with a law enforcement official, for the purpose of obtaining evidence to be used against the actor in a criminal prosecution.

    (2)As used in this section, “induced” means that the actor did not contemplate and would not otherwise have engaged in the proscribed conduct. Merely affording the actor an opportunity to commit an offense does not constitute entrapment. [1971 c.743 §35]
    Legislatures can codify it, of course. However, the defense first arose in caselaw. You know, "judicial activism".
    Dazzler's never heard of Common Law. What a Shark he is!
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,971 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    OJ was acquitted.

    It's okay for the jury to say it wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt, even if they were guilty.

    That's our system.

    In other words, H still believes they're guilty and it wasn't a load of shit from the get-go. Got it.
    "Entrapment" means you did it. Whether allowing people to excuse their crimes on the basis that someone talked them into committing said crimes is a good or a bad thing is a philosophical debate.
    It isn't a "philosophical debate". It's called the law, and the debate occurred a long-time ago and if you want to allow the government to entrap people, let us know. You approve of entrapment, the law does not. Feel to get entrapment approved as an appropriate use of government resources. Scratch a leftist, find a fascist.
    It is the law, for the most part, today. It has not been the law for most of this country's history. It is very much a philosophical debate whether and when the defense should apply. Your suggestion to the contrary hints at your mental decline.

    But your sympathies for mouth breathing militia types who play soldier and plot felonies in the woods is noted.

    I have no problem with the verdict. The suggestible creatures acquitted are your base.
    And there's the vintage Dazzler weasel, right there.
    Nuance is communism potd.
    Authoritarian Momma's Boy is more like it.

    No man respects you.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,872

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    OJ was acquitted.

    It's okay for the jury to say it wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt, even if they were guilty.

    That's our system.

    In other words, H still believes they're guilty and it wasn't a load of shit from the get-go. Got it.
    "Entrapment" means you did it. Whether allowing people to excuse their crimes on the basis that someone talked them into committing said crimes is a good or a bad thing is a philosophical debate.
    It isn't a "philosophical debate". It's called the law, and the debate occurred a long-time ago and if you want to allow the government to entrap people, let us know. You approve of entrapment, the law does not. Feel to get entrapment approved as an appropriate use of government resources. Scratch a leftist, find a fascist.
    It is the law, for the most part, today. It has not been the law for most of this country's history. It is very much a philosophical debate whether and when the defense should apply. Your suggestion to the contrary hints at your mental decline.

    But your sympathies for mouth breathing militia types who play soldier and plot felonies in the woods is noted.

    I have no problem with the verdict. The suggestible creatures acquitted are your base.
    Unlike the fascist blue governors and the dementia patient that aren't playing in the woods but are actively destroying American lives. Playing in the woods isnt' costing me a dime unlike your fascist base.
    So you endorse a defense which was rejected prior to the 20th Century.

    It's like you see a living, breathing Constitution or something.
    Unlike you, I actually went to law school and learned about these things called state statutes which under the state constitutions have been based by the legislature and signed into law by the governor. You suck at this.

    ORS 161.275
    Entrapment
    TEXT

    (1)The commission of acts which would otherwise constitute an offense is not criminal if the actor engaged in the proscribed conduct because the actor was induced to do so by a law enforcement official, or by a person acting in cooperation with a law enforcement official, for the purpose of obtaining evidence to be used against the actor in a criminal prosecution.

    (2)As used in this section, “induced” means that the actor did not contemplate and would not otherwise have engaged in the proscribed conduct. Merely affording the actor an opportunity to commit an offense does not constitute entrapment. [1971 c.743 §35]
    Legislatures can codify it, of course. However, the defense first arose in caselaw. You know, "judicial activism".
    Dazzler's never heard of Common Law. What a Shark he is!
    The common law rejected the defense until the 20th Century. What a liberal you've become, lady.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,872

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    OJ was acquitted.

    It's okay for the jury to say it wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt, even if they were guilty.

    That's our system.

    In other words, H still believes they're guilty and it wasn't a load of shit from the get-go. Got it.
    "Entrapment" means you did it. Whether allowing people to excuse their crimes on the basis that someone talked them into committing said crimes is a good or a bad thing is a philosophical debate.
    It isn't a "philosophical debate". It's called the law, and the debate occurred a long-time ago and if you want to allow the government to entrap people, let us know. You approve of entrapment, the law does not. Feel to get entrapment approved as an appropriate use of government resources. Scratch a leftist, find a fascist.
    It is the law, for the most part, today. It has not been the law for most of this country's history. It is very much a philosophical debate whether and when the defense should apply. Your suggestion to the contrary hints at your mental decline.

    But your sympathies for mouth breathing militia types who play soldier and plot felonies in the woods is noted.

    I have no problem with the verdict. The suggestible creatures acquitted are your base.
    And there's the vintage Dazzler weasel, right there.
    Nuance is communism potd.
    Authoritarian Momma's Boy is more like it.

    No man respects you.
    oh no
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,872

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    OJ was acquitted.

    It's okay for the jury to say it wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt, even if they were guilty.

    That's our system.

    In other words, H still believes they're guilty and it wasn't a load of shit from the get-go. Got it.
    "Entrapment" means you did it. Whether allowing people to excuse their crimes on the basis that someone talked them into committing said crimes is a good or a bad thing is a philosophical debate.
    It isn't a "philosophical debate". It's called the law, and the debate occurred a long-time ago and if you want to allow the government to entrap people, let us know. You approve of entrapment, the law does not. Feel to get entrapment approved as an appropriate use of government resources. Scratch a leftist, find a fascist.
    It is the law, for the most part, today. It has not been the law for most of this country's history. It is very much a philosophical debate whether and when the defense should apply. Your suggestion to the contrary hints at your mental decline.

    But your sympathies for mouth breathing militia types who play soldier and plot felonies in the woods is noted.

    I have no problem with the verdict. The suggestible creatures acquitted are your base.
    Unlike the fascist blue governors and the dementia patient that aren't playing in the woods but are actively destroying American lives. Playing in the woods isnt' costing me a dime unlike your fascist base.
    So you endorse a defense which was rejected prior to the 20th Century.

    It's like you see a living, breathing Constitution or something.
    Unlike you, I actually went to law school and learned about these things called state statutes which under the state constitutions have been based by the legislature and signed into law by the governor. You suck at this.

    ORS 161.275
    Entrapment
    TEXT

    (1)The commission of acts which would otherwise constitute an offense is not criminal if the actor engaged in the proscribed conduct because the actor was induced to do so by a law enforcement official, or by a person acting in cooperation with a law enforcement official, for the purpose of obtaining evidence to be used against the actor in a criminal prosecution.

    (2)As used in this section, “induced” means that the actor did not contemplate and would not otherwise have engaged in the proscribed conduct.
    Merely affording the actor an opportunity to commit an offense does not constitute entrapment. [1971 c.743 §35]
    This is the part Dazzler cannot understand. Ever. Statist little goober he is.
    You notice that the defense is that the "actor" did the deed. Jesus you're stupid.
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