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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,334
    Pitchfork51 said:

    HHusky said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    Hold on. Gay people are gay for sure. I couldn't just start liking dudes.

    Trans have a mental illness.

    If you can't look at your dick and realize you're a dude then idk what to tell you

    Gay was a "mental illness" until it wasn't.

    Trans doesn't have any single explanation that I know of, but intersex people are definitely, objectively intersex. They aren't imagining it.

    It's such an extreme minority that the actual trans shit doesn't really matter. It's mostly that it's their loudness in politics that's the problem
    I agree the "trans voice" is way out of proportion to its actual numbers today. But trans is a real thing. Hell, even if it could all be explained as mental illness, that wouldn't make it any less real.
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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,676
    HHusky said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    HHusky said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    Hold on. Gay people are gay for sure. I couldn't just start liking dudes.

    Trans have a mental illness.

    If you can't look at your dick and realize you're a dude then idk what to tell you

    Gay was a "mental illness" until it wasn't.

    Trans doesn't have any single explanation that I know of, but intersex people are definitely, objectively intersex. They aren't imagining it.

    It's such an extreme minority that the actual trans shit doesn't really matter. It's mostly that it's their loudness in politics that's the problem
    I agree the "trans voice" is way out of proportion to its actual numbers today. But trans is a real thing. Hell, even if it could all be explained as mental illness, that wouldn't make it any less real.
    The problem is that for your dipshit side letting them be have such an out of proportion voice doesn't help at all

    But mostly it's the anti white message y'all have that will be the Dem downfall. That and I feel the Dems will be slow to court Latinos because they can't risk alienating the black vote
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,334
    Pitchfork51 said:

    HHusky said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    HHusky said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    Hold on. Gay people are gay for sure. I couldn't just start liking dudes.

    Trans have a mental illness.

    If you can't look at your dick and realize you're a dude then idk what to tell you

    Gay was a "mental illness" until it wasn't.

    Trans doesn't have any single explanation that I know of, but intersex people are definitely, objectively intersex. They aren't imagining it.

    It's such an extreme minority that the actual trans shit doesn't really matter. It's mostly that it's their loudness in politics that's the problem
    I agree the "trans voice" is way out of proportion to its actual numbers today. But trans is a real thing. Hell, even if it could all be explained as mental illness, that wouldn't make it any less real.
    The problem is that for your dipshit side letting them be have such an out of proportion voice doesn't help at all

    But mostly it's the anti white message y'all have that will be the Dem downfall. That and I feel the Dems will be slow to court Latinos because they can't risk alienating the black vote
    The fact the Democrats frequently practice bad politics is not lost on me.

    Beating homosexuals in the shower may be better politics. I'm quite sure pretending that trans people are just imagining it is excellent politics.

    I get impatient with all concerned for conflating what sells with what is best.
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  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,240 Founders Club
    Sources said:

    RoadTrip said:

    creepycoug said:

    SFGbob said:

    Do you recall a single "trans-gender" student during any of your 12 years of primary, Junior high and high school?

    Nope. Not one. I'm in the camp with Douglas Murray on this one. We are making permanent decisions with kids, and we are managing our culture on the basis of an all-in assumption that trans is like gay: just who you are. Murray (who is gay) says, and I agree, that we don't know much of anything about trans and we should, at the very least, be pumping the breaks on it. He also believes, as do I, that mental illness is likely a big driver, but being the academic that he is, he doens't firmly conclude on that point w/o a study. At least as far as the last talk he gave that I have watched.

    Although I am not gay (I swear!) and have no gay children or siblings, I don't agree with the subtle conflation of trans and gay in the public discourse on this issue. And that's on both sides of the debate.

    Gay has been with us since the dawn of time, and while I believe there can be some "fashionable" joining of a lifestyle on some occasions for a period of time, it seems that homosexuality is largely a born-in trait. Trans is something else altogether from what I can tell.
    This would make an excellent discussion. What have you witnessed that would indicate homosexuality is genetic? I'd say it is more environmental.

    There are studies that show similarities in (1) gay men and straight women and (2) gay women and straight men, in parts of the brain that are associated with sexual observation and behavior. The prevailing thought is that sexual orientation is largely genetic, further supported by the fact that animals demonstrate gay behavior at times.

    The transgender/gender dysphoria issue is more...complicated. Some evidence suggests that it's a combination of genetic and environmental factors, but from what I can tell, the genetic evidence is tenuous at best (perhaps genetic to the extent that more impressionable and/or depressed people tend to end up with gender dysphoria as a coping mechanism).
    Prevailing thought was we were all going to die from the flu. Prevailing thought was we all needed to take bullshit shots to save ourselves from being stacked. Show me the fucking genetic science not some bullshit RAT feelings.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    I still don't know any.
    HHusky said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    HHusky said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    Hold on. Gay people are gay for sure. I couldn't just start liking dudes.

    Trans have a mental illness.

    If you can't look at your dick and realize you're a dude then idk what to tell you

    Gay was a "mental illness" until it wasn't.

    Trans doesn't have any single explanation that I know of, but intersex people are definitely, objectively intersex. They aren't imagining it.

    It's such an extreme minority that the actual trans shit doesn't really matter. It's mostly that it's their loudness in politics that's the problem
    I agree the "trans voice" is way out of proportion to its actual numbers today. But trans is a real thing. Hell, even if it could all be explained as mental illness, that wouldn't make it any less real.
    Trans is an real as anorexia. Same category. Both very real mental disorders…


    HTH
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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,676
    HHusky said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    HHusky said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    HHusky said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    Hold on. Gay people are gay for sure. I couldn't just start liking dudes.

    Trans have a mental illness.

    If you can't look at your dick and realize you're a dude then idk what to tell you

    Gay was a "mental illness" until it wasn't.

    Trans doesn't have any single explanation that I know of, but intersex people are definitely, objectively intersex. They aren't imagining it.

    It's such an extreme minority that the actual trans shit doesn't really matter. It's mostly that it's their loudness in politics that's the problem
    I agree the "trans voice" is way out of proportion to its actual numbers today. But trans is a real thing. Hell, even if it could all be explained as mental illness, that wouldn't make it any less real.
    The problem is that for your dipshit side letting them be have such an out of proportion voice doesn't help at all

    But mostly it's the anti white message y'all have that will be the Dem downfall. That and I feel the Dems will be slow to court Latinos because they can't risk alienating the black vote
    The fact the Democrats frequently practice bad politics is not lost on me.

    Beating homosexuals in the shower may be better politics. I'm quite sure pretending that trans people are just imagining it is excellent politics.

    I get impatient with all concerned for conflating what sells with what is best.
    Most of all this shit is just on the media and the internet. Very few people actually care about this shit when their daily lives are less comfortable than several years ago.

    So making it a center point of the platform is idiotic
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,334
    Pitchfork51 said:

    HHusky said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    HHusky said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    HHusky said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    Hold on. Gay people are gay for sure. I couldn't just start liking dudes.

    Trans have a mental illness.

    If you can't look at your dick and realize you're a dude then idk what to tell you

    Gay was a "mental illness" until it wasn't.

    Trans doesn't have any single explanation that I know of, but intersex people are definitely, objectively intersex. They aren't imagining it.

    It's such an extreme minority that the actual trans shit doesn't really matter. It's mostly that it's their loudness in politics that's the problem
    I agree the "trans voice" is way out of proportion to its actual numbers today. But trans is a real thing. Hell, even if it could all be explained as mental illness, that wouldn't make it any less real.
    The problem is that for your dipshit side letting them be have such an out of proportion voice doesn't help at all

    But mostly it's the anti white message y'all have that will be the Dem downfall. That and I feel the Dems will be slow to court Latinos because they can't risk alienating the black vote
    The fact the Democrats frequently practice bad politics is not lost on me.

    Beating homosexuals in the shower may be better politics. I'm quite sure pretending that trans people are just imagining it is excellent politics.

    I get impatient with all concerned for conflating what sells with what is best.
    Most of all this shit is just on the media and the internet. Very few people actually care about this shit when their daily lives are less comfortable than several years ago.

    So making it a center point of the platform is idiotic
    No disagreement.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,334
    RoadTrip said:

    Sources said:

    RoadTrip said:

    creepycoug said:

    SFGbob said:

    Do you recall a single "trans-gender" student during any of your 12 years of primary, Junior high and high school?

    Nope. Not one. I'm in the camp with Douglas Murray on this one. We are making permanent decisions with kids, and we are managing our culture on the basis of an all-in assumption that trans is like gay: just who you are. Murray (who is gay) says, and I agree, that we don't know much of anything about trans and we should, at the very least, be pumping the breaks on it. He also believes, as do I, that mental illness is likely a big driver, but being the academic that he is, he doens't firmly conclude on that point w/o a study. At least as far as the last talk he gave that I have watched.

    Although I am not gay (I swear!) and have no gay children or siblings, I don't agree with the subtle conflation of trans and gay in the public discourse on this issue. And that's on both sides of the debate.

    Gay has been with us since the dawn of time, and while I believe there can be some "fashionable" joining of a lifestyle on some occasions for a period of time, it seems that homosexuality is largely a born-in trait. Trans is something else altogether from what I can tell.
    This would make an excellent discussion. What have you witnessed that would indicate homosexuality is genetic? I'd say it is more environmental.

    There are studies that show similarities in (1) gay men and straight women and (2) gay women and straight men, in parts of the brain that are associated with sexual observation and behavior. The prevailing thought is that sexual orientation is largely genetic, further supported by the fact that animals demonstrate gay behavior at times.

    The transgender/gender dysphoria issue is more...complicated. Some evidence suggests that it's a combination of genetic and environmental factors, but from what I can tell, the genetic evidence is tenuous at best (perhaps genetic to the extent that more impressionable and/or depressed people tend to end up with gender dysphoria as a coping mechanism).
    Prevailing thought was we were all going to die from the flu. Prevailing thought was we all needed to take bullshit shots to save ourselves from being stacked. Show me the fucking genetic science not some bullshit RAT feelings.
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150213112317.htm?msclkid=9ec5ed35b91d11eca6938f129d621e9c
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  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,240 Founders Club
    Fuck you cunt. I will never open a link you post here. Go suck on a shotgun faggot.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,334
    RoadTrip said:

    Sources said:

    RoadTrip said:

    creepycoug said:

    SFGbob said:

    Do you recall a single "trans-gender" student during any of your 12 years of primary, Junior high and high school?

    Nope. Not one. I'm in the camp with Douglas Murray on this one. We are making permanent decisions with kids, and we are managing our culture on the basis of an all-in assumption that trans is like gay: just who you are. Murray (who is gay) says, and I agree, that we don't know much of anything about trans and we should, at the very least, be pumping the breaks on it. He also believes, as do I, that mental illness is likely a big driver, but being the academic that he is, he doens't firmly conclude on that point w/o a study. At least as far as the last talk he gave that I have watched.

    Although I am not gay (I swear!) and have no gay children or siblings, I don't agree with the subtle conflation of trans and gay in the public discourse on this issue. And that's on both sides of the debate.

    Gay has been with us since the dawn of time, and while I believe there can be some "fashionable" joining of a lifestyle on some occasions for a period of time, it seems that homosexuality is largely a born-in trait. Trans is something else altogether from what I can tell.
    This would make an excellent discussion. What have you witnessed that would indicate homosexuality is genetic? I'd say it is more environmental.

    There are studies that show similarities in (1) gay men and straight women and (2) gay women and straight men, in parts of the brain that are associated with sexual observation and behavior. The prevailing thought is that sexual orientation is largely genetic, further supported by the fact that animals demonstrate gay behavior at times.

    The transgender/gender dysphoria issue is more...complicated. Some evidence suggests that it's a combination of genetic and environmental factors, but from what I can tell, the genetic evidence is tenuous at best (perhaps genetic to the extent that more impressionable and/or depressed people tend to end up with gender dysphoria as a coping mechanism).
    Prevailing thought was we were all going to die from the flu. Prevailing thought was we all needed to take bullshit shots to save ourselves from being stacked. Show me the fucking genetic science not some bullshit RAT feelings.
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150213112317.htm?msclkid=9ec5ed35b91d11eca6938f129d621e9c
    RoadTrip said:

    Fuck you cunt. I will never open a link you post here. Go suck on a shotgun faggot.

    "Show me the fucking genetic science not some bullshit RAT feelings."

    Make up your mind, lady.
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