Russ to Denver
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Yikes. I was wondering what you were thinking when I saw that tweet.Baseman said:
Best friend who let Trevs real friends pay for his funeral -
Stats are for losers. There's a reason that Russ has never gotten an MVP vote. Nobody would have taken him over Mahomes, Lamar, Brady, Rodgers, and possibly even Dak, that season. At best he would be #5 in the pecking order for that one year.dnc said:
Sorry but that's just dumb.BleachedAnusDawg said:Washed. That Super Bowl they won could've been accomplished with Trent Dilfer at QB. HOF needs to close the gates.
I also think far too many players get in to their respective HOF in every sport, though. Nothing about Wilson screams generational talent or transformative player. I don't think he's ever been one of the top-5 qb's in a season during his career.
2019 11-5 record, > 4000 yards passing, 8 yards an attempt, 31 TD, 5 INT, 106.3 rating, 2nd team All Pro, voted 2nd best player in the league by his peers. The list of QBs you can say were better than him that season is Lamar Jackson and Pat Mahomes.
He's not top 5 right now, no question about that. Doesn't look especially likely he will be again. But the revisionist history is out of hand. -
I tend to agree about stats, but if you take away stats and put it all on rings, there are some great QB's removed, and some not-so-great QB's admitted. Russ currently has the same number of rings as Rodgers, Brees and Mahomes, and one more than Fouts, Kelly (Jim not Brian), Moon, Tarkenton, and Marino, all HOF...Dilfer, Flacco and Foles all got one, and Russ was a lot better than that, over a long period. He won a lot of games the Hawks had no business winning (and lost a BIG one they had no business losing). The one stat that is irrefutable is W/L record, for me.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Stats are for losers. There's a reason that Russ has never gotten an MVP vote. Nobody would have taken him over Mahomes, Lamar, Brady, Rodgers, and possibly even Dak, that season. At best he would be #5 in the pecking order for that one year.dnc said:
Sorry but that's just dumb.BleachedAnusDawg said:Washed. That Super Bowl they won could've been accomplished with Trent Dilfer at QB. HOF needs to close the gates.
I also think far too many players get in to their respective HOF in every sport, though. Nothing about Wilson screams generational talent or transformative player. I don't think he's ever been one of the top-5 qb's in a season during his career.
2019 11-5 record, > 4000 yards passing, 8 yards an attempt, 31 TD, 5 INT, 106.3 rating, 2nd team All Pro, voted 2nd best player in the league by his peers. The list of QBs you can say were better than him that season is Lamar Jackson and Pat Mahomes.
He's not top 5 right now, no question about that. Doesn't look especially likely he will be again. But the revisionist history is out of hand.
The term "system QB" gets thrown around, in the negative. For me, they are all system QBs...they have to have guys design the plays, call the plays, and to block and to catch the ball. They also must have a strong D to win. Russ was derisively called a "game manager" for many years, he proved to be a lot more than that when he was in Seattle. IDK if he's HOF, but I appreciate what he did when given the opportunity, drama aside...
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He was literally 2nd team all pro by the media and 2nd player overall by the players themselves. And one of two unanimous Tier 1 QB's by the coaches and FO types who contribute to Sando's annual QB tiers list. "Nobody" indeed.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Stats are for losers. There's a reason that Russ has never gotten an MVP vote. Nobody would have taken him over Mahomes, Lamar, Brady, Rodgers, and possibly even Dak, that season. At best he would be #5 in the pecking order for that one year.dnc said:
Sorry but that's just dumb.BleachedAnusDawg said:Washed. That Super Bowl they won could've been accomplished with Trent Dilfer at QB. HOF needs to close the gates.
I also think far too many players get in to their respective HOF in every sport, though. Nothing about Wilson screams generational talent or transformative player. I don't think he's ever been one of the top-5 qb's in a season during his career.
2019 11-5 record, > 4000 yards passing, 8 yards an attempt, 31 TD, 5 INT, 106.3 rating, 2nd team All Pro, voted 2nd best player in the league by his peers. The list of QBs you can say were better than him that season is Lamar Jackson and Pat Mahomes.
He's not top 5 right now, no question about that. Doesn't look especially likely he will be again. But the revisionist history is out of hand.
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Hurtful but truednc said:
He owns your 49ersCFetters_Nacho_Lover said:He started off 10/10 passing for about 110 yards and a a TD in the first quarter.
He went 5/18 for 78 yards the last 3 quarters.
Imagine thinking this guy is HOF material. You might as well put Garappolo in there as well. -
Russell Daniel Wilson is fucking terrible
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What a bully.dnc said:
He was literally 2nd team all pro by the media and 2nd player overall by the players themselves. And one of two unanimous Tier 1 QB's by the coaches and FO types who contribute to Sando's annual QB tiers list. "Nobody" indeed.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Stats are for losers. There's a reason that Russ has never gotten an MVP vote. Nobody would have taken him over Mahomes, Lamar, Brady, Rodgers, and possibly even Dak, that season. At best he would be #5 in the pecking order for that one year.dnc said:
Sorry but that's just dumb.BleachedAnusDawg said:Washed. That Super Bowl they won could've been accomplished with Trent Dilfer at QB. HOF needs to close the gates.
I also think far too many players get in to their respective HOF in every sport, though. Nothing about Wilson screams generational talent or transformative player. I don't think he's ever been one of the top-5 qb's in a season during his career.
2019 11-5 record, > 4000 yards passing, 8 yards an attempt, 31 TD, 5 INT, 106.3 rating, 2nd team All Pro, voted 2nd best player in the league by his peers. The list of QBs you can say were better than him that season is Lamar Jackson and Pat Mahomes.
He's not top 5 right now, no question about that. Doesn't look especially likely he will be again. But the revisionist history is out of hand.
I like you but you're full of shit on this.
I'll give you 2019 (although he was #5 in QBR that year), but will not back off on my belief that he's not top-5 of his generation. He was a good play-action and bootleg / run around and make it happen QB for several years. To my eyes it looks like he's lost his legs and he could never see the middle of the field.
Outside of his win/loss record, which is set to rapidly decline, I don't see the argument for him being in the HOF. -
Fair enoughBleachedAnusDawg said:
What a bully.dnc said:
He was literally 2nd team all pro by the media and 2nd player overall by the players themselves. And one of two unanimous Tier 1 QB's by the coaches and FO types who contribute to Sando's annual QB tiers list. "Nobody" indeed.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Stats are for losers. There's a reason that Russ has never gotten an MVP vote. Nobody would have taken him over Mahomes, Lamar, Brady, Rodgers, and possibly even Dak, that season. At best he would be #5 in the pecking order for that one year.dnc said:
Sorry but that's just dumb.BleachedAnusDawg said:Washed. That Super Bowl they won could've been accomplished with Trent Dilfer at QB. HOF needs to close the gates.
I also think far too many players get in to their respective HOF in every sport, though. Nothing about Wilson screams generational talent or transformative player. I don't think he's ever been one of the top-5 qb's in a season during his career.
2019 11-5 record, > 4000 yards passing, 8 yards an attempt, 31 TD, 5 INT, 106.3 rating, 2nd team All Pro, voted 2nd best player in the league by his peers. The list of QBs you can say were better than him that season is Lamar Jackson and Pat Mahomes.
He's not top 5 right now, no question about that. Doesn't look especially likely he will be again. But the revisionist history is out of hand.
I like you but you're full of shit on this.
I'll give you 2019 (although he was #5 in QBR that year), but will not back off on my belief that he's not top-5 of his generation. He was a good play-action and bootleg / run around and make it happen QB for several years. To my eyes it looks like he's lost his legs and he could never see the middle of the field.
Outside of his win/loss record, which is set to rapidly decline, I don't see the argument for him being in the HOF.
