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Thousands of child rapes and human trafficking at border

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  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    Bob_C said:

    Last 12 months there have more than 2x the amount of single minor encounters at the border vs 2019 and over 3x in single adult encounters. That’s with roughly the same number of border agents.

    Read a Huff Po piece from 2014 that estimates between 60-80% of under 18 girls are raped on their journey to the border. Probably a bullshit number, but I don’t write the rules. So unless the cartels have softened, why would we assume that raw volume of people headed to the border doesn’t lead to more rapes?

    I appreciate an actual attempt to explain it.

    I read the Huffpo article and while the links to the studies are dead, I’m willing to concede those numbers. I think we’d all agree there has been some exaggerating of rape statistics but you could cut those numbers in half and it would still be horrible.

    But I would point to this part of that article

    The assaults are so common that many women and girls take contraceptives beforehand as preventative measures.

    So some of them know the risks going in and still choose to try and cross.

    My response is let’s make it safer for them to cross. Yours is let’s make it so horrible for those that are desperate to cross that less will try. Hence, the cruelty is the point.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,083

    Bob_C said:

    Last 12 months there have more than 2x the amount of single minor encounters at the border vs 2019 and over 3x in single adult encounters. That’s with roughly the same number of border agents.

    Read a Huff Po piece from 2014 that estimates between 60-80% of under 18 girls are raped on their journey to the border. Probably a bullshit number, but I don’t write the rules. So unless the cartels have softened, why would we assume that raw volume of people headed to the border doesn’t lead to more rapes?

    I appreciate an actual attempt to explain it.

    I read the Huffpo article and while the links to the studies are dead, I’m willing to concede those numbers. I think we’d all agree there has been some exaggerating of rape statistics but you could cut those numbers in half and it would still be horrible.

    But I would point to this part of that article

    The assaults are so common that many women and girls take contraceptives beforehand as preventative measures.

    So some of them know the risks going in and still choose to try and cross.

    My response is let’s make it safer for them to cross. Yours is let’s make it so horrible for those that are desperate to cross that less will try. Hence, the cruelty is the point.
    Lame
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,733 Founders Club

    Bob_C said:

    Last 12 months there have more than 2x the amount of single minor encounters at the border vs 2019 and over 3x in single adult encounters. That’s with roughly the same number of border agents.

    Read a Huff Po piece from 2014 that estimates between 60-80% of under 18 girls are raped on their journey to the border. Probably a bullshit number, but I don’t write the rules. So unless the cartels have softened, why would we assume that raw volume of people headed to the border doesn’t lead to more rapes?

    I appreciate an actual attempt to explain it.

    I read the Huffpo article and while the links to the studies are dead, I’m willing to concede those numbers. I think we’d all agree there has been some exaggerating of rape statistics but you could cut those numbers in half and it would still be horrible.

    But I would point to this part of that article

    The assaults are so common that many women and girls take contraceptives beforehand as preventative measures.

    So some of them know the risks going in and still choose to try and cross.

    My response is let’s make it safer for them to cross. Yours is let’s make it so horrible for those that are desperate to cross that less will try. Hence, the cruelty is the point.
    We can't let the world in

    Discouraging the attempt is kind. Opening the borders and allowing the rapes isn't

    Hence your cruel
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited February 2022
    TKS just wants oppressed people to have safe passage to the USA, free healthcare for all, free education for all, a living wage for all and LQBTQ rights. I guess that makes him a bad person to you wing nuts.
  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959

    Bob_C said:

    Last 12 months there have more than 2x the amount of single minor encounters at the border vs 2019 and over 3x in single adult encounters. That’s with roughly the same number of border agents.

    Read a Huff Po piece from 2014 that estimates between 60-80% of under 18 girls are raped on their journey to the border. Probably a bullshit number, but I don’t write the rules. So unless the cartels have softened, why would we assume that raw volume of people headed to the border doesn’t lead to more rapes?

    I appreciate an actual attempt to explain it.

    I read the Huffpo article and while the links to the studies are dead, I’m willing to concede those numbers. I think we’d all agree there has been some exaggerating of rape statistics but you could cut those numbers in half and it would still be horrible.

    But I would point to this part of that article

    The assaults are so common that many women and girls take contraceptives beforehand as preventative measures.

    So some of them know the risks going in and still choose to try and cross.

    My response is let’s make it safer for them to cross. Yours is let’s make it so horrible for those that are desperate to cross that less will try. Hence, the cruelty is the point.
    We can't let the world in

    Discouraging the attempt is kind. Opening the borders and allowing the rapes isn't

    Hence your cruel
    *you're
  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,932 Swaye's Wigwam

    Bob_C said:

    Last 12 months there have more than 2x the amount of single minor encounters at the border vs 2019 and over 3x in single adult encounters. That’s with roughly the same number of border agents.

    Read a Huff Po piece from 2014 that estimates between 60-80% of under 18 girls are raped on their journey to the border. Probably a bullshit number, but I don’t write the rules. So unless the cartels have softened, why would we assume that raw volume of people headed to the border doesn’t lead to more rapes?

    I appreciate an actual attempt to explain it.

    I read the Huffpo article and while the links to the studies are dead, I’m willing to concede those numbers. I think we’d all agree there has been some exaggerating of rape statistics but you could cut those numbers in half and it would still be horrible.

    But I would point to this part of that article

    The assaults are so common that many women and girls take contraceptives beforehand as preventative measures.

    So some of them know the risks going in and still choose to try and cross.

    My response is let’s make it safer for them to cross. Yours is let’s make it so horrible for those that are desperate to cross that less will try. Hence, the cruelty is the point.
    How does making it safer for them to cross eliminate rapes leading up to them crossing? If it was “safer” wouldn’t even more rapes occur as even more people would be trying? Cruelty would be putting sharks in the Rio Grande.
  • SourcesSources Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 4,015 Founders Club

    TKS just wants oppressed people to have safe passage to the USA, free healthcare for all, free education for all, a living wage for all and LQBTQ rights. I guess that makes him a bad person to you wing nuts.

    Don't forget none of these people are to be vaccinated
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,480 Standard Supporter

    Bob_C said:

    Last 12 months there have more than 2x the amount of single minor encounters at the border vs 2019 and over 3x in single adult encounters. That’s with roughly the same number of border agents.

    Read a Huff Po piece from 2014 that estimates between 60-80% of under 18 girls are raped on their journey to the border. Probably a bullshit number, but I don’t write the rules. So unless the cartels have softened, why would we assume that raw volume of people headed to the border doesn’t lead to more rapes?

    I appreciate an actual attempt to explain it.

    I read the Huffpo article and while the links to the studies are dead, I’m willing to concede those numbers. I think we’d all agree there has been some exaggerating of rape statistics but you could cut those numbers in half and it would still be horrible.

    But I would point to this part of that article

    The assaults are so common that many women and girls take contraceptives beforehand as preventative measures.

    So some of them know the risks going in and still choose to try and cross.

    My response is let’s make it safer for them to cross. Yours is let’s make it so horrible for those that are desperate to cross that less will try. Hence, the cruelty is the point.
    If they weren't invited by our criminal in chief they wouldn't be getting raped. You voted for this. This is your fault. Own it.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,733 Founders Club

    Bob_C said:

    Last 12 months there have more than 2x the amount of single minor encounters at the border vs 2019 and over 3x in single adult encounters. That’s with roughly the same number of border agents.

    Read a Huff Po piece from 2014 that estimates between 60-80% of under 18 girls are raped on their journey to the border. Probably a bullshit number, but I don’t write the rules. So unless the cartels have softened, why would we assume that raw volume of people headed to the border doesn’t lead to more rapes?

    I appreciate an actual attempt to explain it.

    I read the Huffpo article and while the links to the studies are dead, I’m willing to concede those numbers. I think we’d all agree there has been some exaggerating of rape statistics but you could cut those numbers in half and it would still be horrible.

    But I would point to this part of that article

    The assaults are so common that many women and girls take contraceptives beforehand as preventative measures.

    So some of them know the risks going in and still choose to try and cross.

    My response is let’s make it safer for them to cross. Yours is let’s make it so horrible for those that are desperate to cross that less will try. Hence, the cruelty is the point.
    We can't let the world in

    Discouraging the attempt is kind. Opening the borders and allowing the rapes isn't

    Hence your cruel
    *you're
    Thank your
  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Last 12 months there have more than 2x the amount of single minor encounters at the border vs 2019 and over 3x in single adult encounters. That’s with roughly the same number of border agents.

    Read a Huff Po piece from 2014 that estimates between 60-80% of under 18 girls are raped on their journey to the border. Probably a bullshit number, but I don’t write the rules. So unless the cartels have softened, why would we assume that raw volume of people headed to the border doesn’t lead to more rapes?

    I appreciate an actual attempt to explain it.

    I read the Huffpo article and while the links to the studies are dead, I’m willing to concede those numbers. I think we’d all agree there has been some exaggerating of rape statistics but you could cut those numbers in half and it would still be horrible.

    But I would point to this part of that article

    The assaults are so common that many women and girls take contraceptives beforehand as preventative measures.

    So some of them know the risks going in and still choose to try and cross.

    My response is let’s make it safer for them to cross. Yours is let’s make it so horrible for those that are desperate to cross that less will try. Hence, the cruelty is the point.
    How does making it safer for them to cross eliminate rapes leading up to them crossing? If it was “safer” wouldn’t even more rapes occur as even more people would be trying? Cruelty would be putting sharks in the Rio Grande.
    Just because you can imagine something worse doesn’t mean it’s not cruel.

    This is a pretty consistent disagreement between right and left. When it comes to things like immigration or abortion, the right prefers to be extremely heavy handed, to the point that IMO it crosses into cruel and unusual. The left prefers to acknowledge people are going to do these things and how can we make it safer.

    Like that article says, some women were taking contraceptives before leaving. They knew the risk of getting raped was there and they still chose to try. Think about how fucking cruel you’d have to be then to stop them from trying.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,083

    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Last 12 months there have more than 2x the amount of single minor encounters at the border vs 2019 and over 3x in single adult encounters. That’s with roughly the same number of border agents.

    Read a Huff Po piece from 2014 that estimates between 60-80% of under 18 girls are raped on their journey to the border. Probably a bullshit number, but I don’t write the rules. So unless the cartels have softened, why would we assume that raw volume of people headed to the border doesn’t lead to more rapes?

    I appreciate an actual attempt to explain it.

    I read the Huffpo article and while the links to the studies are dead, I’m willing to concede those numbers. I think we’d all agree there has been some exaggerating of rape statistics but you could cut those numbers in half and it would still be horrible.

    But I would point to this part of that article

    The assaults are so common that many women and girls take contraceptives beforehand as preventative measures.

    So some of them know the risks going in and still choose to try and cross.

    My response is let’s make it safer for them to cross. Yours is let’s make it so horrible for those that are desperate to cross that less will try. Hence, the cruelty is the point.
    How does making it safer for them to cross eliminate rapes leading up to them crossing? If it was “safer” wouldn’t even more rapes occur as even more people would be trying? Cruelty would be putting sharks in the Rio Grande.
    Just because you can imagine something worse doesn’t mean it’s not cruel.

    This is a pretty consistent disagreement between right and left. When it comes to things like immigration or abortion, the right prefers to be extremely heavy handed, to the point that IMO it crosses into cruel and unusual. The left prefers to acknowledge people are going to do these things and how can we make it safer.

    Like that article says, some women were taking contraceptives before leaving. They knew the risk of getting raped was there and they still chose to try. Think about how fucking cruel you’d have to be then to stop them from trying.
    I acknowledge they are people. I do not acknowledge any reason they should be let in

    Go to the back of the fucking line of the bleeding rectum bitch
  • hardhathardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    No country is going to have a border policy where they want to make it 'safer for people to cross'. I'd like to ask any of these progressive types if they have any self awareness at all.


  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    hardhat said:

    No country is going to have a border policy where they want to make it 'safer for people to cross'. I'd like to ask any of these progressive types if they have any self awareness at all.


    They should. Open borders, everywhere.
  • hardhathardhat Member Posts: 8,344

    hardhat said:

    No country is going to have a border policy where they want to make it 'safer for people to cross'. I'd like to ask any of these progressive types if they have any self awareness at all.


    They should. Open borders, everywhere.
    Why?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,733 Founders Club

    hardhat said:

    No country is going to have a border policy where they want to make it 'safer for people to cross'. I'd like to ask any of these progressive types if they have any self awareness at all.


    They should. Open borders, everywhere.
    I remember when the left denied they were for open borders
  • hardhathardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    It's all about the feels.
  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959

    hardhat said:

    No country is going to have a border policy where they want to make it 'safer for people to cross'. I'd like to ask any of these progressive types if they have any self awareness at all.


    They should. Open borders, everywhere.
    I remember when the left denied they were for open borders
    It’s a libertarian thing, statists like you wouldn’t understand.
  • hardhathardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    edited February 2022

    hardhat said:

    No country is going to have a border policy where they want to make it 'safer for people to cross'. I'd like to ask any of these progressive types if they have any self awareness at all.


    They should. Open borders, everywhere.
    I remember when the left denied they were for open borders
    It’s a libertarian thing, statists like you wouldn’t understand.
    No it isn't. It's a dream of the left: no borders, no religion, no police, no private property, no one works, but somehow everyone magically has all the luxury items they get now from mommy and daddy. John Lennon's song isn't reality.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,733 Founders Club

    hardhat said:

    No country is going to have a border policy where they want to make it 'safer for people to cross'. I'd like to ask any of these progressive types if they have any self awareness at all.


    They should. Open borders, everywhere.
    I remember when the left denied they were for open borders
    It’s a libertarian thing, statists like you wouldn’t understand.
    We have libertarians here

    I'll wait to hear
  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959

    hardhat said:

    No country is going to have a border policy where they want to make it 'safer for people to cross'. I'd like to ask any of these progressive types if they have any self awareness at all.


    They should. Open borders, everywhere.
    I remember when the left denied they were for open borders
    It’s a libertarian thing, statists like you wouldn’t understand.
    We have libertarians here

    I'll wait to hear
    You just heard from one.
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