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The Soccer Mom SUV Thread
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Man we are talking live axles, crawl ratios and Porsche maintenance costs in a soccer Mom SUV thread. Glad I started this thread. I figured it might be fun. Soccer Moms....ahhhhh.....
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StLouisDawg said:
Weird soft target hit point to me.Swaye said:
Two points of contention. I do not think a Land Rover is better off road than a Jeep. A Rubicon is still the most capable off road machine per dollar spent you can buy. And is just straight up better than a Defender. And anything else besides a Defender is a mall crawler not an off road machine. Live axles will always beat IFS. Rubicons are geared MUCH better and have much better articulation. Approach and departure angles are a wash. Nothing beats a Rubicon off road for anywhere near the same money. I've rock crawled my entire life and seen everything there is on the trails. 30 years ago yes Defenders and FJs were as good or better. Not now.StLouisDawg said:
Friends I’ve known say land rovers are just plain fucked up engineering. Things like to replace a tire you have to disconnect the taillights and catalytic converter. Look bad ass and better off road than a jeep, but they break easily.
Another friend owned a porche and changing the spark plugs was like 1500 bucks. Had to lower the engine to get to them so some stupid shit.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020-land-rover-defender-vs-2019-jeep-wrangler-rubicon/
Second. There will be no shit talk of Porsche, even if it's true. And to be fair I think Porsche maintenance costs are in line with their overall cost. Sure they are quite a bit higher than Toyota, but these are 150-200K cars, not 30K Camry's. Talk to Ferrari guys about absurd maintenance costs. Want true insanity? Buy a Bugatti Veyron. 21K for an oil change.
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/watch-how-the-21-000-27-hour-oil-change-is-done-on-a-bugatti-veyron-ar181881.html
Porsches also feel like I’m in an episode of knight rider from 1987. In fact I was stunned by how…cheap the interior felt. I kept thinking this is really a Golf with a boob job.
If you're bashing golf and boob jobs, I'm out.
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I'm bashing iWatches and any women who wear them.
Hot or not, they have no taste or sense. -
The one time I will agree with @TurdBomber on watches.TurdBomber said:I'm bashing iWatches and any women who wear them.
Hot or not, they have no taste or sense. -
Apple watches are so terrible. I mean fuck it just kill yourself instead.YellowSnow said:
The one time I will agree with @TurdBomber on watches.TurdBomber said:I'm bashing iWatches and any women who wear them.
Hot or not, they have no taste or sense. -
I went to Arizona for ten days in 2019 and rented a Corolla. But when I got to the rental place, they offered me a free upgrade to a 2018 Audi. I really enjoyed driving that around the Valley.PurpleThrobber said:
Had an Audi 5000 back in the early 90's. Blowing down the Ellensburg to Vantage stretch at 120 mph was fun as hell.DerekJohnson said:Swaye said:Also lots of Mazda love here. Anyone else got any favorites to own, or dream machines they would like to own?
I would love one of these some day
Had an Audi A4 circa 2009 to 2014. Loved that vehicle. Should have bumped up to the A5 but wasn't @HarveyRoad rich at the time.
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That’s what I tell my wife, while her Rolex languishes in the safe.Swaye said:
Apple watches are so terrible. I mean fuck it just kill yourself instead.YellowSnow said:
The one time I will agree with @TurdBomber on watches.TurdBomber said:I'm bashing iWatches and any women who wear them.
Hot or not, they have no taste or sense. -
My wife wore out her Tahoe and decided to get another Tahoe because she likes hauling around a million square feet of empty space wherever she goes.
The heated and air conditioned seats are nice, the HUD is kinda cool, and it's comfy to drive or ride in, but holy fuck - what's with all the bells and flashing lights and all the ridiculous fuckery of telling me when I'm following too closely or riding the center line? I know what I'm fucking doing, you stupid piece of shit. You don't need to tell me about it.
I'm next for the new ride. My Tacoma is going to hit 390k this week and it's starting to feel a little tired. I'm hoping to keep it going until the supply chain shit show calms down and prices drop a bit, but who knows. If it takes a shit today, I've got my money's worth out of it. 40 to 50 grand seems like a lot for a midsize truck, but I guess it makes sense if a Jeep can cost 120 g's.
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We? need to stop the chinsanity about what is means to use an SUV "off road". You're right that high percentage of the soccer mom SUVs and Crossovers are mall crawlers and rarely touch dirt.Swaye said:
Two points of contention. I do not think a Land Rover is better off road than a Jeep. A Rubicon is still the most capable off road machine per dollar spent you can buy. And is just straight up better than a Defender. And anything else besides a Defender is a mall crawler not an off road machine. Live axles will always beat IFS. Rubicons are geared MUCH better and have much better articulation. Approach and departure angles are a wash. Nothing beats a Rubicon off road for anywhere near the same money. I've rock crawled my entire life and seen everything there is on the trails. 30 years ago yes Defenders and FJs were as good or better. Not now.StLouisDawg said:
Friends I’ve known say land rovers are just plain fucked up engineering. Things like to replace a tire you have to disconnect the taillights and catalytic converter. Look bad ass and better off road than a jeep, but they break easily.
Another friend owned a porche and changing the spark plugs was like 1500 bucks. Had to lower the engine to get to them so some stupid shit.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020-land-rover-defender-vs-2019-jeep-wrangler-rubicon/
Second. There will be no shit talk of Porsche, even if it's true. And to be fair I think Porsche maintenance costs are in line with their overall cost. Sure they are quite a bit higher than Toyota, but these are 150-200K cars, not 30K Camry's. Talk to Ferrari guys about absurd maintenance costs. Want true insanity? Buy a Bugatti Veyron. 21K for an oil change.
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/watch-how-the-21-000-27-hour-oil-change-is-done-on-a-bugatti-veyron-ar181881.html
And I will be the first to admit that I don't no jack shit about rock crawler and neither does my 4Skinner (hi @creepycoug). But guys like me and @dflea do use off them payment a lot to get to the local fishing hole or deliverance camp site. I've gone plenty of places where the Subaru Outbacks would have not been happy.
And if you live somewhere where there can be deep snow the clearance and locking rear differential can save your us. I drove a 3rd Gen 4 Runner through like 3 feet of unplowed plowed snow for 25 yards once. -
I realized I never added the "in the land rover range" to my Defender thing way back. I have corrected that mistake. Plenty of other very capable off road platforms from lots of makers. Just not Land Rover. Sans the reintroduced Defender they decided to become the vehicle of wealthy suburban white women and NBA players, not off road capable machines.YellowSnow said:
We? need to stop the chinsanity about what is means to use an SUV "off road". You're right that high percentage of the soccer mom SUVs and Crossovers are mall crawlers and rarely touch dirt.Swaye said:
Two points of contention. I do not think a Land Rover is better off road than a Jeep. A Rubicon is still the most capable off road machine per dollar spent you can buy. And is just straight up better than a Defender. And anything else besides a Defender is a mall crawler not an off road machine. Live axles will always beat IFS. Rubicons are geared MUCH better and have much better articulation. Approach and departure angles are a wash. Nothing beats a Rubicon off road for anywhere near the same money. I've rock crawled my entire life and seen everything there is on the trails. 30 years ago yes Defenders and FJs were as good or better. Not now.StLouisDawg said:
Friends I’ve known say land rovers are just plain fucked up engineering. Things like to replace a tire you have to disconnect the taillights and catalytic converter. Look bad ass and better off road than a jeep, but they break easily.
Another friend owned a porche and changing the spark plugs was like 1500 bucks. Had to lower the engine to get to them so some stupid shit.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020-land-rover-defender-vs-2019-jeep-wrangler-rubicon/
Second. There will be no shit talk of Porsche, even if it's true. And to be fair I think Porsche maintenance costs are in line with their overall cost. Sure they are quite a bit higher than Toyota, but these are 150-200K cars, not 30K Camry's. Talk to Ferrari guys about absurd maintenance costs. Want true insanity? Buy a Bugatti Veyron. 21K for an oil change.
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/watch-how-the-21-000-27-hour-oil-change-is-done-on-a-bugatti-veyron-ar181881.html
And I will be the first to admit that I don't no jack shit about rock crawler and neither does my 4Skinner (hi @creepycoug). But guys like me and @dflea do use off them payment a lot to get to the local fishing hole or deliverance camp site. I've gone plenty of places where the Subaru Outbacks would have not been happy.
And if you live somewhere where there can be deep snow the clearance and locking rear differential can save your us. I drove a 3rd Gen 4 Runner through like 3 feet of unplowed plowed snow for 25 yards once. -
Not the casePurpleThrobber said:
My neighbor works/lives like that four days per week then flies home. Literally sleeps in his Sprinter office.RaceBannon said:The Sprinter office
Fuck that.
A simple 60-80 mile trek around So Cal can take 3-6 hours on the road in the Greater LA area
Being able to work while the driver drives is an incredible efficiency
If I was still all in the game I'd have one -
I hear helicopters are the way to beat the LA traffic.RaceBannon said:
Not the casePurpleThrobber said:
My neighbor works/lives like that four days per week then flies home. Literally sleeps in his Sprinter office.RaceBannon said:The Sprinter office
Fuck that.
A simple 60-80 mile trek around So Cal can take 3-6 hours on the road in the Greater LA area
Being able to work while the driver drives is an incredible efficiency
If I was still all in the game I'd have one -
@KobeBryantDWAG true?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!YellowSnow said:
I hear helicopters are the way to beat the LA traffic.RaceBannon said:
Not the casePurpleThrobber said:
My neighbor works/lives like that four days per week then flies home. Literally sleeps in his Sprinter office.RaceBannon said:The Sprinter office
Fuck that.
A simple 60-80 mile trek around So Cal can take 3-6 hours on the road in the Greater LA area
Being able to work while the driver drives is an incredible efficiency
If I was still all in the game I'd have one -
This guy lives in the 509, flies over to SEA on Monday mornings and lives out of the damned thing until Thursday night. The working it in part is cool - the living in it, not so much.RaceBannon said:
Not the casePurpleThrobber said:
My neighbor works/lives like that four days per week then flies home. Literally sleeps in his Sprinter office.RaceBannon said:The Sprinter office
Fuck that.
A simple 60-80 mile trek around So Cal can take 3-6 hours on the road in the Greater LA area
Being able to work while the driver drives is an incredible efficiency
If I was still all in the game I'd have one
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Counterpoint. US Land Rovers are hot garbage. In part because of all the red tape around selling cars in the US market. Also, because in the US the brand is for people who want the appearance of being rugged without actually going off road. All hat no cattle.Swaye said:
Two points of contention. I do not think a Land Rover is better off road than a Jeep. A Rubicon is still the most capable off road machine per dollar spent you can buy. And is just straight up better than a Defender. And anything else besides a Defender (in the Land Rover catalogue fix for @YellowSnow ) is a mall crawler not an off road machine. Live axles will always beat IFS. Rubicons are geared MUCH better and have much better articulation. Approach and departure angles are a wash. Nothing beats a Rubicon off road for anywhere near the same money. I've rock crawled my entire life and seen everything there is on the trails. 30 years ago yes Defenders and FJs were as good or better. Not now.StLouisDawg said:
Friends I’ve known say land rovers are just plain fucked up engineering. Things like to replace a tire you have to disconnect the taillights and catalytic converter. Look bad ass and better off road than a jeep, but they break easily.
Another friend owned a porche and changing the spark plugs was like 1500 bucks. Had to lower the engine to get to them so some stupid shit.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020-land-rover-defender-vs-2019-jeep-wrangler-rubicon/
Second. There will be no shit talk of Porsche, even if it's true. And to be fair I think Porsche maintenance costs are in line with their overall cost. Sure they are quite a bit higher than Toyota, but these are 150-200K cars, not 30K Camry's. Talk to Ferrari guys about absurd maintenance costs. Want true insanity? Buy a Bugatti Veyron. 21K for an oil change.
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/watch-how-the-21-000-27-hour-oil-change-is-done-on-a-bugatti-veyron-ar181881.html
Overseas Land Rovers? Fucking bullet proof off road tanks you can fix with bubble gum and a hammer.
Spent A LOT of time off roading in South Africa and Land Rovers were the gold standard bar none and gave me a lot of respect for why they have that reputation.
Nothing like taking a Rover deep into the bush(lulz) and sleeping under the open stars while listening to the Lions and Hyenas battle it out over who gets to eat your face in the dark. -
I've pressed the Rear Differential Lock button twice since I've had my Tacoma. In both cases, I'd have been fucked without it. When you drive around rivers and river bars a lot, there are times when last year's mud puddle becomes this year's mud bog. Last fall I sunk it in a mud hole and had water coming in the doors and shit until the RDL button got pressed, then that fucker shot mud from all 4 corners and plowed right out of there. That cost me a few hours with the shop vac and garden hose.
Don't do that shit with your wife's rig. She'll be pissed.
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Don't tear out in your wife's mud bog?!?dflea said:I've pressed the Rear Differential Lock button twice since I've had my Tacoma. In both cases, I'd have been fucked without it. When you drive around rivers and river bars a lot, there are times when last year's mud puddle becomes this year's mud bog. Last fall I sunk it in a mud hole and had water coming in the doors and shit until the RDL button got pressed, then that fucker shot mud from all 4 corners and plowed right out of there. That cost me a few hours with the shop vac and garden hose.
Don't do that shit with your wife's rig. She'll be pissed.
Hell, i'm lucky to get a handy every couple weeks.
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My first car was an 81' Isuzu Pup with a 2.7 diesel, 4 wheel hi/low, and a front/rear locking dif you had to get out and physically change over.dflea said:I've pressed the Rear Differential Lock button twice since I've had my Tacoma. In both cases, I'd have been fucked without it. When you drive around rivers and river bars a lot, there are times when last year's mud puddle becomes this year's mud bog. Last fall I sunk it in a mud hole and had water coming in the doors and shit until the RDL button got pressed, then that fucker shot mud from all 4 corners and plowed right out of there. That cost me a few hours with the shop vac and garden hose.
Don't do that shit with your wife's rig. She'll be pissed.
That thing was the bog king and I swear to god could have driven up a wall all stock. My 1st gear low red lined at 5mph. Memories of boating it through the mud while larger trucks got stuck back when OC still had farms and open fields everywhere.
My family actually brought it down from Washington and my dad has all kinds of stories of its heroics going up Mt. Baker and over Skykomish. Miss that fucking thing. -
To be fair I never drove Land Rovers overseas. I blew them up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Counterpoint. US Land Rovers are hot garbage. In part because of all the red tape around selling cars in the US market. Also, because in the US the brand is for people who want the appearance of being rugged without actually going off road. All hat no cattle.Swaye said:
Two points of contention. I do not think a Land Rover is better off road than a Jeep. A Rubicon is still the most capable off road machine per dollar spent you can buy. And is just straight up better than a Defender. And anything else besides a Defender (in the Land Rover catalogue fix for @YellowSnow ) is a mall crawler not an off road machine. Live axles will always beat IFS. Rubicons are geared MUCH better and have much better articulation. Approach and departure angles are a wash. Nothing beats a Rubicon off road for anywhere near the same money. I've rock crawled my entire life and seen everything there is on the trails. 30 years ago yes Defenders and FJs were as good or better. Not now.StLouisDawg said:
Friends I’ve known say land rovers are just plain fucked up engineering. Things like to replace a tire you have to disconnect the taillights and catalytic converter. Look bad ass and better off road than a jeep, but they break easily.
Another friend owned a porche and changing the spark plugs was like 1500 bucks. Had to lower the engine to get to them so some stupid shit.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020-land-rover-defender-vs-2019-jeep-wrangler-rubicon/
Second. There will be no shit talk of Porsche, even if it's true. And to be fair I think Porsche maintenance costs are in line with their overall cost. Sure they are quite a bit higher than Toyota, but these are 150-200K cars, not 30K Camry's. Talk to Ferrari guys about absurd maintenance costs. Want true insanity? Buy a Bugatti Veyron. 21K for an oil change.
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/watch-how-the-21-000-27-hour-oil-change-is-done-on-a-bugatti-veyron-ar181881.html
Overseas Land Rovers? Fucking bullet proof off road tanks you can fix with bubble gum and a hammer.
Spent A LOT of time off roading in South Africa and Land Rovers were the gold standard bar none and gave me a lot of respect for why they have that reputation.
Nothing like taking a Rover deep into the bush(lulz) and sleeping under the open stars while listening to the Lions and Hyenas battle it out over who gets to eat your face in the dark. -
I always took @PurpleBaze for a hi-lux kind of guy.Swaye said:
To be fair I never drove Land Rovers overseas. I blew them up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Counterpoint. US Land Rovers are hot garbage. In part because of all the red tape around selling cars in the US market. Also, because in the US the brand is for people who want the appearance of being rugged without actually going off road. All hat no cattle.Swaye said:
Two points of contention. I do not think a Land Rover is better off road than a Jeep. A Rubicon is still the most capable off road machine per dollar spent you can buy. And is just straight up better than a Defender. And anything else besides a Defender (in the Land Rover catalogue fix for @YellowSnow ) is a mall crawler not an off road machine. Live axles will always beat IFS. Rubicons are geared MUCH better and have much better articulation. Approach and departure angles are a wash. Nothing beats a Rubicon off road for anywhere near the same money. I've rock crawled my entire life and seen everything there is on the trails. 30 years ago yes Defenders and FJs were as good or better. Not now.StLouisDawg said:
Friends I’ve known say land rovers are just plain fucked up engineering. Things like to replace a tire you have to disconnect the taillights and catalytic converter. Look bad ass and better off road than a jeep, but they break easily.
Another friend owned a porche and changing the spark plugs was like 1500 bucks. Had to lower the engine to get to them so some stupid shit.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020-land-rover-defender-vs-2019-jeep-wrangler-rubicon/
Second. There will be no shit talk of Porsche, even if it's true. And to be fair I think Porsche maintenance costs are in line with their overall cost. Sure they are quite a bit higher than Toyota, but these are 150-200K cars, not 30K Camry's. Talk to Ferrari guys about absurd maintenance costs. Want true insanity? Buy a Bugatti Veyron. 21K for an oil change.
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/watch-how-the-21-000-27-hour-oil-change-is-done-on-a-bugatti-veyron-ar181881.html
Overseas Land Rovers? Fucking bullet proof off road tanks you can fix with bubble gum and a hammer.
Spent A LOT of time off roading in South Africa and Land Rovers were the gold standard bar none and gave me a lot of respect for why they have that reputation.
Nothing like taking a Rover deep into the bush(lulz) and sleeping under the open stars while listening to the Lions and Hyenas battle it out over who gets to eat your face in the dark.
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Quit plagiarism @GrundleStiltzkin's shit, fucko.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I always took @PurpleBaze for a hi-lux kind of guy.Swaye said:
To be fair I never drove Land Rovers overseas. I blew them up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Counterpoint. US Land Rovers are hot garbage. In part because of all the red tape around selling cars in the US market. Also, because in the US the brand is for people who want the appearance of being rugged without actually going off road. All hat no cattle.Swaye said:
Two points of contention. I do not think a Land Rover is better off road than a Jeep. A Rubicon is still the most capable off road machine per dollar spent you can buy. And is just straight up better than a Defender. And anything else besides a Defender (in the Land Rover catalogue fix for @YellowSnow ) is a mall crawler not an off road machine. Live axles will always beat IFS. Rubicons are geared MUCH better and have much better articulation. Approach and departure angles are a wash. Nothing beats a Rubicon off road for anywhere near the same money. I've rock crawled my entire life and seen everything there is on the trails. 30 years ago yes Defenders and FJs were as good or better. Not now.StLouisDawg said:
Friends I’ve known say land rovers are just plain fucked up engineering. Things like to replace a tire you have to disconnect the taillights and catalytic converter. Look bad ass and better off road than a jeep, but they break easily.
Another friend owned a porche and changing the spark plugs was like 1500 bucks. Had to lower the engine to get to them so some stupid shit.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020-land-rover-defender-vs-2019-jeep-wrangler-rubicon/
Second. There will be no shit talk of Porsche, even if it's true. And to be fair I think Porsche maintenance costs are in line with their overall cost. Sure they are quite a bit higher than Toyota, but these are 150-200K cars, not 30K Camry's. Talk to Ferrari guys about absurd maintenance costs. Want true insanity? Buy a Bugatti Veyron. 21K for an oil change.
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/watch-how-the-21-000-27-hour-oil-change-is-done-on-a-bugatti-veyron-ar181881.html
Overseas Land Rovers? Fucking bullet proof off road tanks you can fix with bubble gum and a hammer.
Spent A LOT of time off roading in South Africa and Land Rovers were the gold standard bar none and gave me a lot of respect for why they have that reputation.
Nothing like taking a Rover deep into the bush(lulz) and sleeping under the open stars while listening to the Lions and Hyenas battle it out over who gets to eat your face in the dark.
CSB: I saw a Hilux in San Diego a few years ago when I was walking along the waterfront. Took a few minutes to check it out.
Since you bastards keep dragging me into this discussion, I'll contribute a bit. I drive a 2016 Highlander Limited, which I bought brand new. @creepycoug may find it boring, but I really do enjoy driving it. Also, I think the interior is nice. It also does well in snow. The one knock on it is the entertainment/navigation suite. They went cheap with the display and the user interface. It's a little clunky.
I wasn't looking for an exciting ride when I bought the Highlander. I wanted a practical, reliable ride. If I want excitement on the road, I hop on my Ducati. -
Had the same convo with my wife 2 days ago. "I lost track of time because my phone was in my purse," while 2 beautiful watches I bought her a few years back languish in her top drawer. My wife has beautiful hands, wrists and arms (great tennis player), and a classy timepiece is the perfect compliment. I don't get this Dick Tracy wrist TV horse shit. So nerdy and tacky. Fucking Gross.YellowSnow said:
That’s what I tell my wife, while her Rolex languishes in the safe.Swaye said:
Apple watches are so terrible. I mean fuck it just kill yourself instead.YellowSnow said:
The one time I will agree with @TurdBomber on watches.TurdBomber said:I'm bashing iWatches and any women who wear them.
Hot or not, they have no taste or sense. -
Yella's first ever SUV and first vehicle owned. I used to 4 x 4 the shit out of it. Broke the 4wd actuator after 6 months of ownership. Was driving down some pretty rough terrain in Southwest Colorado to do some rock climbing.
I used to be a Chvey man, till the Japs got their hook in me.
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With any luck, she'll first kill the douchey techbro boyfriend/husband who bought the fucking thing for her birthday. Then herself.Swaye said:
Apple watches are so terrible. I mean fuck it just kill yourself instead.YellowSnow said:
The one time I will agree with @TurdBomber on watches.TurdBomber said:I'm bashing iWatches and any women who wear them.
Hot or not, they have no taste or sense.
2 isn't calling for geno, Stalin. It's merely a doubling, not a mass event. -
So the funny thing is @TurdBomber, with all the pressure of White Wakanda keeping up with the Jones, the Rolex languishes away. Spendy remodel - check. $75K SUV - check. But no Rolex. Go figure.TurdBomber said:
With any luck, she'll first kill the douchey techbro boyfriend/husband who bought the fucking thing for her birthday. Then herself.Swaye said:
Apple watches are so terrible. I mean fuck it just kill yourself instead.YellowSnow said:
The one time I will agree with @TurdBomber on watches.TurdBomber said:I'm bashing iWatches and any women who wear them.
Hot or not, they have no taste or sense.
2 isn't calling for geno, Stalin. It's merely a doubling, not a mass event. -
Sounds like her watch can be pawned and turned in to that Omega Seamaster Heritage.YellowSnow said:
So the funny thing is @TurdBomber, with all the pressure of White Wakanda keeping up with the Jones, the Rolex languishes away. Spendy remodel - check. $75K SUV - check. But no Rolex. Go figure.TurdBomber said:
With any luck, she'll first kill the douchey techbro boyfriend/husband who bought the fucking thing for her birthday. Then herself.Swaye said:
Apple watches are so terrible. I mean fuck it just kill yourself instead.YellowSnow said:
The one time I will agree with @TurdBomber on watches.TurdBomber said:I'm bashing iWatches and any women who wear them.
Hot or not, they have no taste or sense.
2 isn't calling for geno, Stalin. It's merely a doubling, not a mass event. -
Hang onto it. She'll go through a vintage stage again, along with her WW Jonesies. Difference is her friends will be paying 15-20k for a Rolex in a few years, while she just walks to the safe. Be patient. Be smart. Everything comes back in style, today at an accelerated pace.YellowSnow said:
So the funny thing is @TurdBomber, with all the pressure of White Wakanda keeping up with the Jones, the Rolex languishes away. Spendy remodel - check. $75K SUV - check. But no Rolex. Go figure.TurdBomber said:
With any luck, she'll first kill the douchey techbro boyfriend/husband who bought the fucking thing for her birthday. Then herself.Swaye said:
Apple watches are so terrible. I mean fuck it just kill yourself instead.YellowSnow said:
The one time I will agree with @TurdBomber on watches.TurdBomber said:I'm bashing iWatches and any women who wear them.
Hot or not, they have no taste or sense.
2 isn't calling for geno, Stalin. It's merely a doubling, not a mass event. -
Fair enough. Also, HP leaves a little to be desired. The MDX has much better torque for when I want to jump in front of somebody at a red light in retaliation for some offense he/she committed 18 blocks back. Yeah, I'm that guy. "Fuck you! Now I'm going to get ahead of you and jump in your lane! Take that!! I need to grow up ... in so many ways.PurpleBaze said:
Quit plagiarism @GrundleStiltzkin's shit, fucko.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I always took @PurpleBaze for a hi-lux kind of guy.Swaye said:
To be fair I never drove Land Rovers overseas. I blew them up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Counterpoint. US Land Rovers are hot garbage. In part because of all the red tape around selling cars in the US market. Also, because in the US the brand is for people who want the appearance of being rugged without actually going off road. All hat no cattle.Swaye said:
Two points of contention. I do not think a Land Rover is better off road than a Jeep. A Rubicon is still the most capable off road machine per dollar spent you can buy. And is just straight up better than a Defender. And anything else besides a Defender (in the Land Rover catalogue fix for @YellowSnow ) is a mall crawler not an off road machine. Live axles will always beat IFS. Rubicons are geared MUCH better and have much better articulation. Approach and departure angles are a wash. Nothing beats a Rubicon off road for anywhere near the same money. I've rock crawled my entire life and seen everything there is on the trails. 30 years ago yes Defenders and FJs were as good or better. Not now.StLouisDawg said:
Friends I’ve known say land rovers are just plain fucked up engineering. Things like to replace a tire you have to disconnect the taillights and catalytic converter. Look bad ass and better off road than a jeep, but they break easily.
Another friend owned a porche and changing the spark plugs was like 1500 bucks. Had to lower the engine to get to them so some stupid shit.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020-land-rover-defender-vs-2019-jeep-wrangler-rubicon/
Second. There will be no shit talk of Porsche, even if it's true. And to be fair I think Porsche maintenance costs are in line with their overall cost. Sure they are quite a bit higher than Toyota, but these are 150-200K cars, not 30K Camry's. Talk to Ferrari guys about absurd maintenance costs. Want true insanity? Buy a Bugatti Veyron. 21K for an oil change.
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/watch-how-the-21-000-27-hour-oil-change-is-done-on-a-bugatti-veyron-ar181881.html
Overseas Land Rovers? Fucking bullet proof off road tanks you can fix with bubble gum and a hammer.
Spent A LOT of time off roading in South Africa and Land Rovers were the gold standard bar none and gave me a lot of respect for why they have that reputation.
Nothing like taking a Rover deep into the bush(lulz) and sleeping under the open stars while listening to the Lions and Hyenas battle it out over who gets to eat your face in the dark.
CSB: I saw a Hilux in San Diego a few years ago when I was walking along the waterfront. Took a few minutes to check it out.
Since you bastards keep dragging me into this discussion, I'll contribute a bit. I drive a 2016 Highlander Limited, which I bought brand new. @creepycoug may find it boring, but I really do enjoy driving it. Also, I think the interior is nice. It also does well in snow. The one knock on it is the entertainment/navigation suite. They went cheap with the display and the user interface. It's a little clunky.
I wasn't looking for an exciting ride when I bought the Highlander. I wanted a practical, reliable ride. If I want excitement on the road, I hop on my Ducati.
The other complain I have about the Highlander is that the fit and finish isn't that great. If you look the wrong way at any of the plastic or faux metal trim, or the exterior paint, it will scratch.
I had a love/hate relationship with my 3 series coupe. Hated the mechanic bills and lack of reliability, loved the way it drove and, for the relevant part, the fit and finish on that thing was @Ballz. I mean you had to try and scratch it. They just use superior materials at least for the interior and it shows.
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Yeah, the 2016 Highlander has 275 horsepower. They upped it to 295 with the 2017 model and added one more gear. But, I'm not sure if those have more torque and better acceleration.creepycoug said:
Fair enough. Also, HP leaves a little to be desired. The MDX has much better torque for when I want to jump in front of somebody at a red light in retaliation for some offense he/she committed 18 blocks back. Yeah, I'm that guy. "Fuck you! Now I'm going to get ahead of you and jump in your lane! Take that!! I need to grow up ... in so many ways.PurpleBaze said:
Quit plagiarism @GrundleStiltzkin's shit, fucko.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I always took @PurpleBaze for a hi-lux kind of guy.Swaye said:
To be fair I never drove Land Rovers overseas. I blew them up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Counterpoint. US Land Rovers are hot garbage. In part because of all the red tape around selling cars in the US market. Also, because in the US the brand is for people who want the appearance of being rugged without actually going off road. All hat no cattle.Swaye said:
Two points of contention. I do not think a Land Rover is better off road than a Jeep. A Rubicon is still the most capable off road machine per dollar spent you can buy. And is just straight up better than a Defender. And anything else besides a Defender (in the Land Rover catalogue fix for @YellowSnow ) is a mall crawler not an off road machine. Live axles will always beat IFS. Rubicons are geared MUCH better and have much better articulation. Approach and departure angles are a wash. Nothing beats a Rubicon off road for anywhere near the same money. I've rock crawled my entire life and seen everything there is on the trails. 30 years ago yes Defenders and FJs were as good or better. Not now.StLouisDawg said:
Friends I’ve known say land rovers are just plain fucked up engineering. Things like to replace a tire you have to disconnect the taillights and catalytic converter. Look bad ass and better off road than a jeep, but they break easily.
Another friend owned a porche and changing the spark plugs was like 1500 bucks. Had to lower the engine to get to them so some stupid shit.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020-land-rover-defender-vs-2019-jeep-wrangler-rubicon/
Second. There will be no shit talk of Porsche, even if it's true. And to be fair I think Porsche maintenance costs are in line with their overall cost. Sure they are quite a bit higher than Toyota, but these are 150-200K cars, not 30K Camry's. Talk to Ferrari guys about absurd maintenance costs. Want true insanity? Buy a Bugatti Veyron. 21K for an oil change.
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/watch-how-the-21-000-27-hour-oil-change-is-done-on-a-bugatti-veyron-ar181881.html
Overseas Land Rovers? Fucking bullet proof off road tanks you can fix with bubble gum and a hammer.
Spent A LOT of time off roading in South Africa and Land Rovers were the gold standard bar none and gave me a lot of respect for why they have that reputation.
Nothing like taking a Rover deep into the bush(lulz) and sleeping under the open stars while listening to the Lions and Hyenas battle it out over who gets to eat your face in the dark.
CSB: I saw a Hilux in San Diego a few years ago when I was walking along the waterfront. Took a few minutes to check it out.
Since you bastards keep dragging me into this discussion, I'll contribute a bit. I drive a 2016 Highlander Limited, which I bought brand new. @creepycoug may find it boring, but I really do enjoy driving it. Also, I think the interior is nice. It also does well in snow. The one knock on it is the entertainment/navigation suite. They went cheap with the display and the user interface. It's a little clunky.
I wasn't looking for an exciting ride when I bought the Highlander. I wanted a practical, reliable ride. If I want excitement on the road, I hop on my Ducati.
The other complain I have about the Highlander is that the fit and finish isn't that great. If you look the wrong way at any of the plastic or faux metal trim, or the exterior paint, it will scratch.
I had a love/hate relationship with my 3 series coupe. Hated the mechanic bills and lack of reliability, loved the way it drove and, for the relevant part, the fit and finish on that thing was @Ballz. I mean you had to try and scratch it. They just use superior materials at least for the interior and it shows.
In any case, I'm also one of those who needs to grow up because I can be super impatient with the slowpoke buttnuggets in their little shitboxes. But, I didn't buy the Highlander with acceleration in mind.
I may spring for a baller sports car 2-3 years from now. Until then, I'll trudge along like the middle-aged Roger I am in my soccer mom SUV. -
Couple more things to add to my Highlander chronicles. The factory windshield was shit. I got a rock chip a month or so after I got it. Had it patched up. Ended up getting another rock chip several months later and that one started to spider. Took it to a glass shop and had it swapped out for a different (better) brand. Glass shop guy said that most car manufacturers are doing shit like this just to keep production cost down. Imagine that - fucking bean counters at work. The aftermarket windshield has been Pat Hill TUFF! Oh, and insurance covered the cost.
I also had the front end of the car coated with Scotchgard Paint Protection Film, including the fenders. I think that cost me $1500 five years ago. Don't want to know how much it costs now. Of course they offered to do the whole car, which would have been $4500. I ended up with a dent on the front of the hood some time after. The protective film is intact, but the paint in the dented area got discolored. Haven't looked into the reason behind it. Figured it was whatever protective coating was sprayed before the car went into the factory paint shop.
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