In all seriousness I like UCLA to win the Pac-12 this year.
I think it will be UCLA-Oregon in the title game.
I think so too. I don't see how Mora doesn't win the South. ASU and AZ lost a lot last year and USC has Sark so they are already mathematically eliminated.
I don't know if it's the fact that you guys have dominated just about everybody for awhile now or what, but I would be pretty shocked at a 7-9 win season out of Oregon. If that's the case I would think that the players had lost respect for Helfrich (or Pellum or insert-toolbag-assistant) at some point in the season.
Helfrich needs to drag his nuts through shards of glass in the offseason and get tougher on the players or hit the road.
Mike Bellotti was good when he had talent. 1996, 2000, 2001, 2005, 2007, 2008 were all good years. If you took a young Mike Bellotti and placed him at the helm this same time Slingblade took over I think you would see parallel results.
All I have to go from is last year. The wheels fell off late and the offense still sucked balls in the bowl game with a month to prepare. With Addison down it seems like the running backs will have to carry the team and none of them have showed so far that they could be the core of an elite offense.
We'll know after Sparty if the defense is capable of anything.
You can bet on Sparty not respecting Oregon's WRs and doing everything possible to dominate the LOS and take away the Oregon running game. We'll learn very early on whether or not Oregon's got the playmakers to surround Mariota to be a conference contender. If not, Sparty will put the clamps on them, then UCLA will, and a good chance that Petersen will as well.
Mike Bellotti was good when he had a good OC like Tedford or Kelly. When he had neither from 2002-2006 he drowned.
Showing he was a bad coach.
Everybody likes to bash Bellotti, a lot of it because of the bonehead things that often came out of his mouth ("the best team didn't win", following a loss - shit like that). However, looking at the guy objectively he finished with a winning record against every other conference opponent, even USC. The last opponent has an asterisk because as I recall Oregon lucked out there by not playing the Trojans two years in a row when USC was really, really good. Be that as it may Bellotti was FAR from a "bad coach". He sure wasn't Chip Kelly but he won a lot of games when Oregon was still Oregon, in other words before the big Phil Knight money kicked in.
Mike Bellotti was good when he had a good OC like Tedford or Kelly. When he had neither from 2002-2006 he drowned.
Showing he was a bad coach.
Everybody likes to bash Bellotti, a lot of it because of the bonehead things that often came out of his mouth ("the best team didn't win", following a loss - shit like that). However, looking at the guy objectively he finished with a winning record against every other conference opponent, even USC. The last opponent has an asterisk because as I recall Oregon lucked out there by not playing the Trojans two years in a row when USC was really, really good. Be that as it may Bellotti was FAR from a "bad coach". He sure wasn't Chip Kelly but he won a lot of games when Oregon was still Oregon, in other words before the big Phil Knight money kicked in.
Mike Bellotti at Chico State went 21-25-2 in five seasons and unlike James was getting worse at his small school. He went 4-5-1, 4-4-1, 7-3, 3-6, and 3-7.
At Oregon here are his W-L I'll bold those where Tedford or Kelly wasn't his OC.
2007: 9-4, 5-4, T-4th. Ranked 23rd(Were ranked top 5 all year until Dixon got hurt) 2008: 10-3, 7-2, T-2nd. Ranked 10th
Totals: 19-7, 12-6
If these numbers don't spell out the picture that Bellotti is actually a bad coach who happened to benefit from two great OC's then I can't help you. The stats don't lie at all.
You can bet on Sparty not respecting Oregon's WRs and doing everything possible to dominate the LOS and take away the Oregon running game. We'll learn very early on whether or not Oregon's got the playmakers to surround Mariota to be a conference contender. If not, Sparty will put the clamps on them, then UCLA will, and a good chance that Petersen will as well.
Disagree. Oregon's offense isn't very dependent on WR's. Someone will step up. Cool it with the Petersen is going to put the clamps on until it happens.
Mike Bellotti was good when he had a good OC like Tedford or Kelly. When he had neither from 2002-2006 he drowned.
Showing he was a bad coach.
Everybody likes to bash Bellotti, a lot of it because of the bonehead things that often came out of his mouth ("the best team didn't win", following a loss - shit like that). However, looking at the guy objectively he finished with a winning record against every other conference opponent, even USC. The last opponent has an asterisk because as I recall Oregon lucked out there by not playing the Trojans two years in a row when USC was really, really good. Be that as it may Bellotti was FAR from a "bad coach". He sure wasn't Chip Kelly but he won a lot of games when Oregon was still Oregon, in other words before the big Phil Knight money kicked in.
Mike Bellotti at Chico State went 21-25-2 in five seasons and unlike James was getting worse at his small school. He went 4-5-1, 4-4-1, 7-3, 3-6, and 3-7.
At Oregon here are his W-L I'll bold those where Tedford or Kelly wasn't his OC.
2007: 9-4, 5-4, T-4th. Ranked 23rd(Were ranked top 5 all year until Dixon got hurt) 2008: 10-3, 7-2, T-2nd. Ranked 10th
Totals: 19-7, 12-6
If these numbers don't spell out the picture that Bellotti is actually a bad coach who happened to benefit from two great OC's then I can't help you. The stats don't lie at all.
Bellotti's first team in 1995 was also a good team. It was probably the last one with a really good defense. But yeah, Rich Brooks' guys.
Yeah, that's some good research there - and Bellotti was probably one of the few HCs that really let their coordinators do their own thing. It was both a positive and a negative for us. It gave us Chip Kelly in 2007, but it also gave us Rich Stubler.
Bellotti's first team in 1995 was also a good team. It was probably the last one with a really good defense. But yeah, Rich Brooks' guys.
Yeah, that's some good research there - and Bellotti was probably one of the few HCs that really let their coordinators do their own thing. It was both a positive and a negative for us. It gave us Chip Kelly in 2007, but it also gave us Rich Stubler.
In six years with Kelly/Tedford he finished the year ranked five times the one year he didn't was Tedford's first year which they were ranked all year long until the bowl loss.
While without those two in eight seasons he finished the year ranked only twice one of which was a team he inherited that played in a Rose Bowl the year prior. Had Tedford or Kelly never entered the picture I think everyone would look at Bellotti as a bad coach.
In the six years with Tedford/Kelly he goes 57-17(.770), 37-13(.740) in conference. 5-1(.833) in bowl games
In the eight years without either Tedford or Kelly he goes 59-38(.608), 35-30(.538) in conference. 1-5 in bowl games(.166)
Interesting discussion. I'm just not sure the numbers show MB as clearly a "bad coach". Even in the years without Tedford/Kelly as OC, the numbers show Oregon at 59-38 (.608) and 35-30 (0.538) in a BCS AQ conference.
Recall, when Bellotti took over, Oregon hadn't won a Rose Bowl in something like 77 years and had been to maybe 4 decent bowls total over that same stretch (1994 Rose, 1957 Rose, 1948 Cotton, 1919 Rose - all losses).
Going (.608) in BCS AQ conference at that sort of program might not be considered "bad coaching". I think Saben was (.576) at Michigan State and Myles was (.571) at Oklahoma State. Bellotti's 0.608 isn't that far off UW's all time football winning % of 0.612 (Stassen); and, those are only counting Bellotti's "bad" years.
Interesting discussion. I'm just not sure the numbers show MB as clearly a "bad coach". Even in the years without Tedford/Kelly as OC, the numbers show Oregon at 59-38 (.608) and 35-30 (0.538) in a BCS AQ conference.
Recall, when Bellotti took over, Oregon hadn't won a Rose Bowl in something like 77 years and had been to maybe 4 decent bowls total over that same stretch (1994 Rose, 1957 Rose, 1948 Cotton, 1919 Rose - all losses).
Going (.608) in BCS AQ conference at that sort of program might not be considered "bad coaching". I think Saben was (.576) at Michigan State and Myles was (.571) at Oklahoma State. Bellotti's 0.608 isn't that far off UW's all time football winning % of 0.612 (Stassen); and, those are only counting Bellotti's "bad" years.
You set up an account just to defend mediocre Bellotti? Also my definition of bad is different than most. Like I call Sark or even Jim Lambright a bad coach. Lambo has an impressive W-L% as well much like Bellotti.
However the stats don't lie when it comes to the years with Kelly/Tedford vs the years without them. Look at the conference W-L, the number of ranked teams and bowl W-L in the Kelly/Tedford years vs the years without them. It's literally night and day.
Still gotta give Bellotti some credit for having the foresight to hire Tedford and Kelly.
No Addison (ACL injury), no Huff (graduated), and no DAT (left for NFL) makes the offense easier defend...Daryl Hawkins is also gone too and I think he was their 4th leading WR.
Lots of pressure on guys like Keanon Lowe (RS-SR and 6th in receiving last year for them) and John Mundt (7th leading receiver as a true frosh TE) to present coverage threats.
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All I have to go from is last year. The wheels fell off late and the offense still sucked balls in the bowl game with a month to prepare. With Addison down it seems like the running backs will have to carry the team and none of them have showed so far that they could be the core of an elite offense.
We'll know after Sparty if the defense is capable of anything.
Showing he was a bad coach.
At Oregon here are his W-L I'll bold those where Tedford or Kelly wasn't his OC.
1995: 9-3, 6-2, 3rd place. Ranked 18th
1996: 6-5, 3-5, T-5th
1997: 7-5, 3-5, T-7th
Totals: 22-13, 12-12
Now Tedford comes in the program
1998: 8-4, 5-3, T-3rd
1999: 9-3, 6-2, T-2nd, ranked 18th
2000: 10-2, 7-1, T-1st, ranked 7th
2001: 11-1, 7-1, 1st, ranked 2nd
Totals: 38-10, 25-7
Now Tedford takes off to Cal.
2002: 7-6, 3-5, 8th place
2003: 8-5, 5-3, T-3rd
2004: 5-6, 4-4, T-5th
2005: 10-2, 7-1, 2nd. Ranked 12th
2006: 7-6, 4-5, T-5th
Totals: 37-25, 23-18
Chip Kelly now enters the program.
2007: 9-4, 5-4, T-4th. Ranked 23rd(Were ranked top 5 all year until Dixon got hurt)
2008: 10-3, 7-2, T-2nd. Ranked 10th
Totals: 19-7, 12-6
If these numbers don't spell out the picture that Bellotti is actually a bad coach who happened to benefit from two great OC's then I can't help you. The stats don't lie at all.
(who happens to make $500k annually from the Oregon PERS)
Yeah, that's some good research there - and Bellotti was probably one of the few HCs that really let their coordinators do their own thing. It was both a positive and a negative for us. It gave us Chip Kelly in 2007, but it also gave us Rich Stubler.
While without those two in eight seasons he finished the year ranked only twice one of which was a team he inherited that played in a Rose Bowl the year prior. Had Tedford or Kelly never entered the picture I think everyone would look at Bellotti as a bad coach.
In the six years with Tedford/Kelly he goes 57-17(.770), 37-13(.740) in conference. 5-1(.833) in bowl games
In the eight years without either Tedford or Kelly he goes 59-38(.608), 35-30(.538) in conference. 1-5 in bowl games(.166)
Recall, when Bellotti took over, Oregon hadn't won a Rose Bowl in something like 77 years and had been to maybe 4 decent bowls total over that same stretch (1994 Rose, 1957 Rose, 1948 Cotton, 1919 Rose - all losses).
Going (.608) in BCS AQ conference at that sort of program might not be considered "bad coaching". I think Saben was (.576) at Michigan State and Myles was (.571) at Oklahoma State. Bellotti's 0.608 isn't that far off UW's all time football winning % of 0.612 (Stassen); and, those are only counting Bellotti's "bad" years.
However the stats don't lie when it comes to the years with Kelly/Tedford vs the years without them. Look at the conference W-L, the number of ranked teams and bowl W-L in the Kelly/Tedford years vs the years without them. It's literally night and day.
*gurgle*?
Finally someone slammed that one home.
No Addison (ACL injury), no Huff (graduated), and no DAT (left for NFL) makes the offense easier defend...Daryl Hawkins is also gone too and I think he was their 4th leading WR.
Lots of pressure on guys like Keanon Lowe (RS-SR and 6th in receiving last year for them) and John Mundt (7th leading receiver as a true frosh TE) to present coverage threats.