Helfrich says this is the most talented/fast team he's seen
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Bellotti's first team in 1995 was also a good team. It was probably the last one with a really good defense. But yeah, Rich Brooks' guys.
Yeah, that's some good research there - and Bellotti was probably one of the few HCs that really let their coordinators do their own thing. It was both a positive and a negative for us. It gave us Chip Kelly in 2007, but it also gave us Rich Stubler. -
In six years with Kelly/Tedford he finished the year ranked five times the one year he didn't was Tedford's first year which they were ranked all year long until the bowl loss.AZDuck said:Bellotti's first team in 1995 was also a good team. It was probably the last one with a really good defense. But yeah, Rich Brooks' guys.
Yeah, that's some good research there - and Bellotti was probably one of the few HCs that really let their coordinators do their own thing. It was both a positive and a negative for us. It gave us Chip Kelly in 2007, but it also gave us Rich Stubler.
While without those two in eight seasons he finished the year ranked only twice one of which was a team he inherited that played in a Rose Bowl the year prior. Had Tedford or Kelly never entered the picture I think everyone would look at Bellotti as a bad coach.
In the six years with Tedford/Kelly he goes 57-17(.770), 37-13(.740) in conference. 5-1(.833) in bowl games
In the eight years without either Tedford or Kelly he goes 59-38(.608), 35-30(.538) in conference. 1-5 in bowl games(.166) -
Can we get back to comparing the 95-96 Sonics and the 13-14 Trailblazers?
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Trail Blazers are shaping up!CuntWaffle said:Can we get back to comparing the 95-96 Sonics and the 13-14 Trailblazers?
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Interesting discussion. I'm just not sure the numbers show MB as clearly a "bad coach". Even in the years without Tedford/Kelly as OC, the numbers show Oregon at 59-38 (.608) and 35-30 (0.538) in a BCS AQ conference.
Recall, when Bellotti took over, Oregon hadn't won a Rose Bowl in something like 77 years and had been to maybe 4 decent bowls total over that same stretch (1994 Rose, 1957 Rose, 1948 Cotton, 1919 Rose - all losses).
Going (.608) in BCS AQ conference at that sort of program might not be considered "bad coaching". I think Saben was (.576) at Michigan State and Myles was (.571) at Oklahoma State. Bellotti's 0.608 isn't that far off UW's all time football winning % of 0.612 (Stassen); and, those are only counting Bellotti's "bad" years.
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You set up an account just to defend mediocre Bellotti? Also my definition of bad is different than most. Like I call Sark or even Jim Lambright a bad coach. Lambo has an impressive W-L% as well much like Bellotti.Nobody1627 said:Interesting discussion. I'm just not sure the numbers show MB as clearly a "bad coach". Even in the years without Tedford/Kelly as OC, the numbers show Oregon at 59-38 (.608) and 35-30 (0.538) in a BCS AQ conference.
Recall, when Bellotti took over, Oregon hadn't won a Rose Bowl in something like 77 years and had been to maybe 4 decent bowls total over that same stretch (1994 Rose, 1957 Rose, 1948 Cotton, 1919 Rose - all losses).
Going (.608) in BCS AQ conference at that sort of program might not be considered "bad coaching". I think Saben was (.576) at Michigan State and Myles was (.571) at Oklahoma State. Bellotti's 0.608 isn't that far off UW's all time football winning % of 0.612 (Stassen); and, those are only counting Bellotti's "bad" years.
However the stats don't lie when it comes to the years with Kelly/Tedford vs the years without them. Look at the conference W-L, the number of ranked teams and bowl W-L in the Kelly/Tedford years vs the years without them. It's literally night and day. -
This is a case where you should probably follow your own advice.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Helfrich needs to drag his nuts through shards of glass in the offseason and get tougher on the players or hit the road.
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He_Needs_More_Time said:
Mike Bellotti was good when he had a good OC like Tedford or Kelly. When he had neither from 2002-2006 he drowned.
Showing he was a bad coach.
*gurgle*?
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It truly is a shame I'm wasting good material on the Duck thread so 81% of our poasters aren't reading this.Dick_B said:He_Needs_More_Time said:Mike Bellotti was good when he had a good OC like Tedford or Kelly. When he had neither from 2002-2006 he drowned.
Showing he was a bad coach.
*gurgle*?
Finally someone slammed that one home. -
Still gotta give Bellotti some credit for having the foresight to hire Tedford and Kelly.
No Addison (ACL injury), no Huff (graduated), and no DAT (left for NFL) makes the offense easier defend...Daryl Hawkins is also gone too and I think he was their 4th leading WR.
Lots of pressure on guys like Keanon Lowe (RS-SR and 6th in receiving last year for them) and John Mundt (7th leading receiver as a true frosh TE) to present coverage threats. -
It sucks losing Addison...but silver lining, maybe it will force the Ducks to pound Tyner up the middle 30x/game and get back to the power running team we were under Kelly...no more of this pussy ass throw the ball on 1st and goal from the 4 bullshit we saw last year
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I don't think you know what a power running team is.ntxduck said:It sucks losing Addison...but silver lining, maybe it will force the Ducks to pound Tyner up the middle 30x/game and get back to the power running team we were under Kelly...no more of this pussy ass throw the ball on 1st and goal from the 4 bullshit we saw last year
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He meant 'get back to a flying V' running team.dnc said:
I don't think you know what a power running team is.ntxduck said:It sucks losing Addison...but silver lining, maybe it will force the Ducks to pound Tyner up the middle 30x/game and get back to the power running team we were under Kelly...no more of this pussy ass throw the ball on 1st and goal from the 4 bullshit we saw last year
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Watch tape of Oregon 2009-2011. Ran almost exclusively between the tackles. Masoli was a RB playing QB and he took us to a Rose Bowl without being able to pass for dick. Because Oregon pounded the rock.
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Stanford is a power running team. Oregon is a good running team but were never considered a power run team.
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He_Needs_More_Time said:
Stanford is a power running team. Oregon is a good running team but were never considered a power run team.
To be a power run team you need a fullback which Oregon doesn't use. You basically run I-Formation which is what the Seahawks or Stanford does well.
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Point is Oregon was never a power running team.Mosster47 said:He_Needs_More_Time said:Stanford is a power running team. Oregon is a good running team but were never considered a power run team.
To be a power run team you need a fullback which Oregon doesn't use. You basically run I-Formation which is what the Seahawks or Stanford does well.
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Ducks be a powerful running team. We have not used a fullback for years. Lyerla was a cool experiment.
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For me to be a power running team you need a fullback. Period. If you don't need a battering ram then you're not committed to it.
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You guys ran exceptionally well.ntxduck said:Watch tape of Oregon 2009-2011. Ran almost exclusively between the tackles. Masoli was a RB playing QB and he took us to a Rose Bowl without being able to pass for dick. Because Oregon pounded the rock.
It was the exact opposite of a power running game though.
Misdirection = / = power.
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The Helfrich 'power' running game was running DAT up the middle 100 million times. It was worth it for the 6 or 7 times it actually worked. Now I'm going to go hang a MH effigy and light it on fire.
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I doubt it happens. If I were you, I would be worried Helfrich turns next season into a showcase for Mariota and throws the ball more than ever. I think you guys will be fine though. I'm not at all sold on Helfrich, but it should be pretty difficult to fuck up more than a game, two at most with the talent you have returning. I think Oregon is slipping, but it's not happening as soon as some on here think.ntxduck said:It sucks losing Addison...but silver lining, maybe it will force the Ducks to pound Tyner up the middle 30x/game and get back to the power running team we were under Kelly...no more of this pussy ass throw the ball on 1st and goal from the 4 bullshit we saw last year
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I don't want to see more passing. It equals more dreck. Oregon used to be a run the ball first team and it veered away from what was working and tried to fix what wasn't broken. Give me a choice between Mariota and Darron Thomas and I'd choose DT. He may have been somewhat off the mark at times but he was tuff. Mariota is skilled but too finesse. Once he gets a little ruffed up he starts sucking really bad.RoadDawg55 said:
I doubt it happens. If I were you, I would be worried Helfrich turns next season into a showcase for Mariota and throws the ball more than ever. I think you guys will be fine though. I'm not at all sold on Helfrich, but it should be pretty difficult to fuck up more than a game, two at most with the talent you have returning. I think Oregon is slipping, but it's not happening as soon as some on here think.ntxduck said:It sucks losing Addison...but silver lining, maybe it will force the Ducks to pound Tyner up the middle 30x/game and get back to the power running team we were under Kelly...no more of this pussy ass throw the ball on 1st and goal from the 4 bullshit we saw last year
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I don't want to see more passing. It equals more dreck. Oregon used to be a run the ball first team and it veered away from what was working and tried to fix what wasn't broken. Give me a choice between Mariota and Darron Thomas and I'd choose DT. He may have been somewhat off the mark at times but he was tuff. Mariota is skilled but too finesse. Once he gets a little ruffed up he starts sucking really bad.
LOL....Agreed on less passing...but the rest of this, no. Fuck no. DT was a shit qb compared to MM and a horrible teammate.
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LOL....Agreed on less passing...but the rest of this, no. Fuck no. DT was a shit qb compared to MM and a horrible teammate.ntxduck said:I don't want to see more passing. It equals more dreck. Oregon used to be a run the ball first team and it veered away from what was working and tried to fix what wasn't broken. Give me a choice between Mariota and Darron Thomas and I'd choose DT. He may have been somewhat off the mark at times but he was tuff. Mariota is skilled but too finesse. Once he gets a little ruffed up he starts sucking really bad.
A horrible teammate? Were you his teammate? DT was the QB that got us to the championship. Enough said. -
I know a ton of his teammates...and he was an awful teammate. Not going to get into it on here about that.
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Cliff Harris thinks otherwise. Enough to know that DT had his back even when driving > 95 mph down 1-5 after having smoked it all. What better teammate could you ask for than that?ntxduck said:I know a ton of his teammates...and he was an awful teammate. Not going to get into it on here about that.
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Get into it. This isn't EDuck. Tell some stories as to why he was a bad teammate. Don't pull the, "I know things, but I'm not saying." That's what Kim Grinolds does. If you are going to be like Kim, I got one word for you. LEAVE!ntxduck said:I know a ton of his teammates...and he was an awful teammate. Not going to get into it on here about that.
As an outsider, it's hard to believe Darron Thomas was that bad of a teammate considering his record as a starting QB there.
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Exactly. Like I said, I'll take the guy that played a huge role in getting us to the championship, not the guy who chokes when it matters most. This is unpopular to say, but I think Mariota is overrated. He's a good QB and has laser accuracy when he's on, but once he starts feeling the pressure he seems to clam up and let the game slip. There is already a leadership void and the void seems to become a chasm whenever Mariota has a bad game. DT didn't do that. Last years Oregon team would have shit the bed against 2010 Auburn. 2010 Oregon didn't. And to preempt the 'he was injured' bullshit. Yes he was injured during the Stanford game. But he was not injured during the Stanford game the previous year. He was simply non-existent. Nor was he anywhere to be seen against AZ. We barely beat a shitty OSU team at home, and there were shades of the choking at times during the Texas game. There were times I wondered if the name on the back of the jersey was Maldonado, not Mariota.RoadDawg55 said:
Get into it. This isn't EDuck. Tell some stories as to why he was a bad teammate. Don't pull the, "I know things, but I'm not saying." That's what Kim Grinolds does. If you are going to be like Kim, I got one word for you. LEAVE!ntxduck said:I know a ton of his teammates...and he was an awful teammate. Not going to get into it on here about that.
As an outsider, it's hard to believe Darron Thomas was that bad of a teammate considering his record as a starting QB there.
The fucks at eStalin would give me a time out or ban me if I dared to say half of what I've said here, but not before a bunch of ignorant quooks would herd themselves into a tightly crammed pack of rabid lemmings and attack. -
If I had a ready made team like a 2001 Miami squad that just needed a QB I'd take Thomas over Mariota every time. Having a QB that gets better as the situation gets tougher is fucking rare it's ridiculous.
If I had an average team then I'd take Mariota. His running around like a horny gorilla is after him at least moves the chains when nothing else is working.
I don't think the system that Oregon runs is sustainable at the current level without an outstanding coach. It has only been done by three people; Rich Rod as WVU, Meyer at Utah, Florida, tOSU, and Kelly at Oregon. You are asking inferior physical talent on either the size, strength, or speed department to beat better athletes by preparation, execution, and pace. It takes one hell of a leader to do that consistently. I don't think Oregon has that. That isn't an insult to Slingblade. Like listed before there have been three out of the now hundreds that have usedthe same or similar system to become elite.
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