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One of the many quaint beliefs the Left has about the US is that it's a relatively low-tax country
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If they would have let me opted out of that fucking Ponzi scheme as late as my 50th birthday I would have gladly opted out of SS. Got my SS statement in the mail the other day it lists how mine and my employer's money they've been stealing from us since the beginning of my work years. I'd easily have additional millions in retirement funds if they would have put the money in a simple index fund.HHusky said:
Because the money is already spent. There is not a chance in Hell any of you rock ribbed “conservatives” isn’t going to accept your entitlements.hardhat said:
Why do you think we just need more taxes?HHusky said:
You don’t want to pay European tax rates and you don’t receive European benefits. You especially don’t want me paying European rates . . . ‘cuz socialism, of course.hardhat said:
Is there a chance that you missed the point of the discussion?HHusky said:
There is zero chance any of you gals pays 28% of your income in taxes. Basic math fail.hardhat said:
I'm really disappointed in you ladies. This is one of your favorite subjects, that we're not taxed enough. Did your booster shot have some side effects?HHusky said:
Bullshit. No you don’t.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I get taxed a lot more than 28% and still get toll roads.LoneStarDawg said:Paid 42% tax rate in Sweden, got free health care, free full time childcare (8:30am to 4pm), and $100 a month unlimited metro card.
US I get taxed 28% and get toll roads -
The people who sue to stop every road that is set to be built and haven't repaired a bridge in decades and think that unicorns and windmills will power America want 3.5 trillion for "infrastructure"HHusky said:
You were for infrastructure before you were against it.RaceBannon said:
What kind of a dumbfuck votes for this?
H? Thoughts?
What kind of a dumbfuck falls for that? -
We're going to get $3.5 Trillion in bike paths, light rail, electric charging stations in the middle of nowhere and more money for California's high speed rail fraud.RaceBannon said:
The people who sue to stop every road that is set to be built and haven't repaired a bridge in decades and think that unicorns and windmills will power America want 3.5 trillion for "infrastructure"HHusky said:
You were for infrastructure before you were against it.RaceBannon said:
What kind of a dumbfuck votes for this?
H? Thoughts?
What kind of a dumbfuck falls for that? -
I pay over 30% wtf are you talking about?
That's with 401k hiding as much as possible (for now) -
But no one was willing to change that. Which has been my message to you for literally decades. It ain’t ever happening.SFGbob said:
If they would have let me opted out of that fucking Ponzi scheme as late as my 50th birthday I would have gladly opted out of SS. Got my SS statement in the mail the other day list from me how much of my and my employers money they've been stealing from us since the beginning of my work years. I'd easily have additional millions in retirement funds if they would have put the money in a simple index fund.HHusky said:
Because the money is already spent. There is not a chance in Hell any of you rock ribbed “conservatives” isn’t going to accept your entitlements.hardhat said:
Why do you think we just need more taxes?HHusky said:
You don’t want to pay European tax rates and you don’t receive European benefits. You especially don’t want me paying European rates . . . ‘cuz socialism, of course.hardhat said:
Is there a chance that you missed the point of the discussion?HHusky said:
There is zero chance any of you gals pays 28% of your income in taxes. Basic math fail.hardhat said:
I'm really disappointed in you ladies. This is one of your favorite subjects, that we're not taxed enough. Did your booster shot have some side effects?HHusky said:
Bullshit. No you don’t.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I get taxed a lot more than 28% and still get toll roads.LoneStarDawg said:Paid 42% tax rate in Sweden, got free health care, free full time childcare (8:30am to 4pm), and $100 a month unlimited metro card.
US I get taxed 28% and get toll roads -
You and the people you vote for weren't willing to change it.HHusky said:
But no one was willing to change that. Which has been my message to you for literally decades. It ain’t ever happening.SFGbob said:
If they would have let me opted out of that fucking Ponzi scheme as late as my 50th birthday I would have gladly opted out of SS. Got my SS statement in the mail the other day list from me how much of my and my employers money they've been stealing from us since the beginning of my work years. I'd easily have additional millions in retirement funds if they would have put the money in a simple index fund.HHusky said:
Because the money is already spent. There is not a chance in Hell any of you rock ribbed “conservatives” isn’t going to accept your entitlements.hardhat said:
Why do you think we just need more taxes?HHusky said:
You don’t want to pay European tax rates and you don’t receive European benefits. You especially don’t want me paying European rates . . . ‘cuz socialism, of course.hardhat said:
Is there a chance that you missed the point of the discussion?HHusky said:
There is zero chance any of you gals pays 28% of your income in taxes. Basic math fail.hardhat said:
I'm really disappointed in you ladies. This is one of your favorite subjects, that we're not taxed enough. Did your booster shot have some side effects?HHusky said:
Bullshit. No you don’t.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I get taxed a lot more than 28% and still get toll roads.LoneStarDawg said:Paid 42% tax rate in Sweden, got free health care, free full time childcare (8:30am to 4pm), and $100 a month unlimited metro card.
US I get taxed 28% and get toll roads -
Gosh if only people would stop voting like retards for retardsHHusky said:
But no one was willing to change that. Which has been my message to you for literally decades. It ain’t ever happening.SFGbob said:
If they would have let me opted out of that fucking Ponzi scheme as late as my 50th birthday I would have gladly opted out of SS. Got my SS statement in the mail the other day list from me how much of my and my employers money they've been stealing from us since the beginning of my work years. I'd easily have additional millions in retirement funds if they would have put the money in a simple index fund.HHusky said:
Because the money is already spent. There is not a chance in Hell any of you rock ribbed “conservatives” isn’t going to accept your entitlements.hardhat said:
Why do you think we just need more taxes?HHusky said:
You don’t want to pay European tax rates and you don’t receive European benefits. You especially don’t want me paying European rates . . . ‘cuz socialism, of course.hardhat said:
Is there a chance that you missed the point of the discussion?HHusky said:
There is zero chance any of you gals pays 28% of your income in taxes. Basic math fail.hardhat said:
I'm really disappointed in you ladies. This is one of your favorite subjects, that we're not taxed enough. Did your booster shot have some side effects?HHusky said:
Bullshit. No you don’t.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I get taxed a lot more than 28% and still get toll roads.LoneStarDawg said:Paid 42% tax rate in Sweden, got free health care, free full time childcare (8:30am to 4pm), and $100 a month unlimited metro card.
US I get taxed 28% and get toll roads -
The wealthy are paying the income taxes they are required to pay. The vast majority of income is being reported on W-2s and 1099s. The top 10% are paying 70% of the federal income taxes. Wealthy people come up with some semi-bogus deductions but they don't add up to much. Like putting the wife and kids on the corporate board and then having the annual meeting in Hawaii or Aspen. Put the right paperwork together and there is no way you lose the deductions. Just like doctors or attorneys taking continuing education in Hawaii.RaceBannon said:
What kind of a dumbfuck votes for this?
H? Thoughts?
There is a lot of not reported income from the underground economy. Good luck getting money from the cartel or Hispanic landscapers. The dems want lots more IRS agents for reasons having nothing to do with revenue. If you think that the IRS won't chase conservatives as their prime mission you are ignorant or lying or both. Just look at Trump, Tucker Carlson and James O'Keefe. -
Effective rate? Bullshit.Doogles said:I pay over 30% wtf are you talking about?
That's with 401k hiding as much as possible (for now) -
If you invested $100 in the S&P 500 at the beginning of 1980, you would have about $11,675.29 at the beginning of 2021, assuming you reinvested all dividends. This is a return on investment of 11,575.29%, or 12.10% per year.
Now add up every dollar you've paid into SS along with your employer's contribution and then do the math providing for compound interest. Even a middle class person would have millions in retirement and you'd also be holding a tangible asset you could give to your family when you died.
Now think about what you could do about encouraging home ownership if you allowed people to use that money for a first time home purchase. What would happen if you did the exact same thing for healthcare? Make people invest a small percentage of their earning in a simple index fund when they are young and healthy and then let them build that for their entire working life.
But that's not the system that Dazzler and the leeches he votes for wants. That system wouldn't encourage dependency on the government. That system would encourage people to be in favor of a healthy fiscal and investment climate that would encourage growth. -
You mean RR? GHWB? GWB?SFGbob said:
You and the people you vote for weren't willing to change it.HHusky said:
But no one was willing to change that. Which has been my message to you for literally decades. It ain’t ever happening.SFGbob said:
If they would have let me opted out of that fucking Ponzi scheme as late as my 50th birthday I would have gladly opted out of SS. Got my SS statement in the mail the other day list from me how much of my and my employers money they've been stealing from us since the beginning of my work years. I'd easily have additional millions in retirement funds if they would have put the money in a simple index fund.HHusky said:
Because the money is already spent. There is not a chance in Hell any of you rock ribbed “conservatives” isn’t going to accept your entitlements.hardhat said:
Why do you think we just need more taxes?HHusky said:
You don’t want to pay European tax rates and you don’t receive European benefits. You especially don’t want me paying European rates . . . ‘cuz socialism, of course.hardhat said:
Is there a chance that you missed the point of the discussion?HHusky said:
There is zero chance any of you gals pays 28% of your income in taxes. Basic math fail.hardhat said:
I'm really disappointed in you ladies. This is one of your favorite subjects, that we're not taxed enough. Did your booster shot have some side effects?HHusky said:
Bullshit. No you don’t.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I get taxed a lot more than 28% and still get toll roads.LoneStarDawg said:Paid 42% tax rate in Sweden, got free health care, free full time childcare (8:30am to 4pm), and $100 a month unlimited metro card.
US I get taxed 28% and get toll roads
They all got elected. -
Reagan and W both wanted to change it.HHusky said:
You mean RR? GHWB? GWB?SFGbob said:
You and the people you vote for weren't willing to change it.HHusky said:
But no one was willing to change that. Which has been my message to you for literally decades. It ain’t ever happening.SFGbob said:
If they would have let me opted out of that fucking Ponzi scheme as late as my 50th birthday I would have gladly opted out of SS. Got my SS statement in the mail the other day list from me how much of my and my employers money they've been stealing from us since the beginning of my work years. I'd easily have additional millions in retirement funds if they would have put the money in a simple index fund.HHusky said:
Because the money is already spent. There is not a chance in Hell any of you rock ribbed “conservatives” isn’t going to accept your entitlements.hardhat said:
Why do you think we just need more taxes?HHusky said:
You don’t want to pay European tax rates and you don’t receive European benefits. You especially don’t want me paying European rates . . . ‘cuz socialism, of course.hardhat said:
Is there a chance that you missed the point of the discussion?HHusky said:
There is zero chance any of you gals pays 28% of your income in taxes. Basic math fail.hardhat said:
I'm really disappointed in you ladies. This is one of your favorite subjects, that we're not taxed enough. Did your booster shot have some side effects?HHusky said:
Bullshit. No you don’t.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I get taxed a lot more than 28% and still get toll roads.LoneStarDawg said:Paid 42% tax rate in Sweden, got free health care, free full time childcare (8:30am to 4pm), and $100 a month unlimited metro card.
US I get taxed 28% and get toll roads
They all got elected. -
Congress controls the purse for those playing at home
Some of our contestants are dumb as a rock here -
You seem focused on federal income taxes. Washington state just levied a .6% payroll tax that is allegedly for long-term care, but after analysis it doesn't seem to help much. I don't remember voting on it. State and local taxes are part of the overall tax burden.HHusky said:
But no one was willing to change that. Which has been my message to you for literally decades. It ain’t ever happening.SFGbob said:
If they would have let me opted out of that fucking Ponzi scheme as late as my 50th birthday I would have gladly opted out of SS. Got my SS statement in the mail the other day list from me how much of my and my employers money they've been stealing from us since the beginning of my work years. I'd easily have additional millions in retirement funds if they would have put the money in a simple index fund.HHusky said:
Because the money is already spent. There is not a chance in Hell any of you rock ribbed “conservatives” isn’t going to accept your entitlements.hardhat said:
Why do you think we just need more taxes?HHusky said:
You don’t want to pay European tax rates and you don’t receive European benefits. You especially don’t want me paying European rates . . . ‘cuz socialism, of course.hardhat said:
Is there a chance that you missed the point of the discussion?HHusky said:
There is zero chance any of you gals pays 28% of your income in taxes. Basic math fail.hardhat said:
I'm really disappointed in you ladies. This is one of your favorite subjects, that we're not taxed enough. Did your booster shot have some side effects?HHusky said:
Bullshit. No you don’t.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I get taxed a lot more than 28% and still get toll roads.LoneStarDawg said:Paid 42% tax rate in Sweden, got free health care, free full time childcare (8:30am to 4pm), and $100 a month unlimited metro card.
US I get taxed 28% and get toll roads -
Investing $500.00 a month for 40 years, starting in 1980, invested in a simple SP 500 index fund, would give you nearly $5 million in retirement funds. All of us who have worked our entire adult lives, have easily contributed that amount, along with our employer contributions, into the Social Security scam.
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It's not a complex formula. I make X and get taxed YHHusky said:
Effective rate? Bullshit.Doogles said:I pay over 30% wtf are you talking about?
That's with 401k hiding as much as possible (for now)
Y % X = over 30
I'm not some ultra wealthy dude who owns a ton of shit and has accountants hiding money everywhere. I'm pretty much Joe America Middle who gets raped for damn near 1/3 of his paycheck.
Also, back to the point, this wouldn't be such a tough pill to swallow if the money actually did shit.
It's boondoggle after boondoggle out here. We're building 150 billion dollar train from Bakersfield to Merced while complaining about water shortages. You could spend half that money on an aquaduct that solves the problem for good, but we won't.
It's frustrating as fuck, but people like you rush to defend your Masters and want to give them more. -
I want to take the entitlements of people I dont like so I have more and they are miserable
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Look at the the hundreds of billions we throw at public education and we have absolutely nothing to show for it. In fact, a large percentage of kids end up with a negative education. Just look at the slobberer. West Linn spends over $15,000 a year per student. So, a class of 25 12 year olds has $375,000 to spend. Where does it go? And then the phuckers are screaming for more money.Doogles said:
It's not a complex formula. I make X and get taxed YHHusky said:
Effective rate? Bullshit.Doogles said:I pay over 30% wtf are you talking about?
That's with 401k hiding as much as possible (for now)
Y % X = over 30
I'm not some ultra wealthy dude who owns a ton of shit and has accountants hiding money everywhere. I'm pretty much Joe America Middle who gets raped for damn near 1/3 of his paycheck.
Also, back to the point, this wouldn't be such a tough pill to swallow if the money actually did shit.
It's boondoggle after boondoggle out here. We're building 150 billion dollar train from Bakersfield to Merced while complaining about water shortages. You could spend half that money on an aquaduct that solves the problem for good, but we won't.
It's frustrating as fuck, but people like you rush to defend your Masters and want to give them more. -
And what happened? Exactly what I told you would happen.SFGbob said:
Reagan and W both wanted to change it.HHusky said:
You mean RR? GHWB? GWB?SFGbob said:
You and the people you vote for weren't willing to change it.HHusky said:
But no one was willing to change that. Which has been my message to you for literally decades. It ain’t ever happening.SFGbob said:
If they would have let me opted out of that fucking Ponzi scheme as late as my 50th birthday I would have gladly opted out of SS. Got my SS statement in the mail the other day list from me how much of my and my employers money they've been stealing from us since the beginning of my work years. I'd easily have additional millions in retirement funds if they would have put the money in a simple index fund.HHusky said:
Because the money is already spent. There is not a chance in Hell any of you rock ribbed “conservatives” isn’t going to accept your entitlements.hardhat said:
Why do you think we just need more taxes?HHusky said:
You don’t want to pay European tax rates and you don’t receive European benefits. You especially don’t want me paying European rates . . . ‘cuz socialism, of course.hardhat said:
Is there a chance that you missed the point of the discussion?HHusky said:
There is zero chance any of you gals pays 28% of your income in taxes. Basic math fail.hardhat said:
I'm really disappointed in you ladies. This is one of your favorite subjects, that we're not taxed enough. Did your booster shot have some side effects?HHusky said:
Bullshit. No you don’t.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I get taxed a lot more than 28% and still get toll roads.LoneStarDawg said:Paid 42% tax rate in Sweden, got free health care, free full time childcare (8:30am to 4pm), and $100 a month unlimited metro card.
US I get taxed 28% and get toll roads
They all got elected. -
You’re either being too modest or you’re being obtuse.Doogles said:
It's not a complex formula. I make X and get taxed YHHusky said:
Effective rate? Bullshit.Doogles said:I pay over 30% wtf are you talking about?
That's with 401k hiding as much as possible (for now)
Y % X = over 30
I'm not some ultra wealthy dude who owns a ton of shit and has accountants hiding money everywhere. I'm pretty much Joe America Middle who gets raped for damn near 1/3 of his paycheck.
Also, back to the point, this wouldn't be such a tough pill to swallow if the money actually did shit.
It's boondoggle after boondoggle out here. We're building 150 billion dollar train from Bakersfield to Merced while complaining about water shortages. You could spend half that money on an aquaduct that solves the problem for good, but we won't.
It's frustrating as fuck, but people like you rush to defend your Masters and want to give them more.
Anyway, I hear you richies are all fleeing to Texas. Got your place in Fort Worth yet. -
So you’re like, a progressive?Pitchfork51 said:I want to take the entitlements of people I dont like so I have more and they are miserable
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So plus 0.6%. And?hardhat said:
You seem focused on federal income taxes. Washington state just levied a .6% payroll tax that is allegedly for long-term care, but after analysis it doesn't seem to help much. I don't remember voting on it. State and local taxes are part of the overall tax burden.HHusky said:
But no one was willing to change that. Which has been my message to you for literally decades. It ain’t ever happening.SFGbob said:
If they would have let me opted out of that fucking Ponzi scheme as late as my 50th birthday I would have gladly opted out of SS. Got my SS statement in the mail the other day list from me how much of my and my employers money they've been stealing from us since the beginning of my work years. I'd easily have additional millions in retirement funds if they would have put the money in a simple index fund.HHusky said:
Because the money is already spent. There is not a chance in Hell any of you rock ribbed “conservatives” isn’t going to accept your entitlements.hardhat said:
Why do you think we just need more taxes?HHusky said:
You don’t want to pay European tax rates and you don’t receive European benefits. You especially don’t want me paying European rates . . . ‘cuz socialism, of course.hardhat said:
Is there a chance that you missed the point of the discussion?HHusky said:
There is zero chance any of you gals pays 28% of your income in taxes. Basic math fail.hardhat said:
I'm really disappointed in you ladies. This is one of your favorite subjects, that we're not taxed enough. Did your booster shot have some side effects?HHusky said:
Bullshit. No you don’t.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I get taxed a lot more than 28% and still get toll roads.LoneStarDawg said:Paid 42% tax rate in Sweden, got free health care, free full time childcare (8:30am to 4pm), and $100 a month unlimited metro card.
US I get taxed 28% and get toll roads -
That is fucking embarrassing.RaceBannon said:
What kind of a dumbfuck votes for this?
H? Thoughts? -
You wouldn’t have done it.SFGbob said:Investing $500.00 a month for 40 years, starting in 1980, invested in a simple SP 500 index fund, would give you nearly $5 million in retirement funds. All of us who have worked our entire adult lives, have easily contributed that amount, along with our employer contributions, into the Social Security scam.
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Neither did your lord and masters of the stateHHusky said:
You wouldn’t have done it.SFGbob said:Investing $500.00 a month for 40 years, starting in 1980, invested in a simple SP 500 index fund, would give you nearly $5 million in retirement funds. All of us who have worked our entire adult lives, have easily contributed that amount, along with our employer contributions, into the Social Security scam.
Obtuse or just plain stupid -
Yes, because people like you don't support it and then you vote for people who oppose it.HHusky said:
And what happened? Exactly what I told you would happen.SFGbob said:
Reagan and W both wanted to change it.HHusky said:
You mean RR? GHWB? GWB?SFGbob said:
You and the people you vote for weren't willing to change it.HHusky said:
But no one was willing to change that. Which has been my message to you for literally decades. It ain’t ever happening.SFGbob said:
If they would have let me opted out of that fucking Ponzi scheme as late as my 50th birthday I would have gladly opted out of SS. Got my SS statement in the mail the other day list from me how much of my and my employers money they've been stealing from us since the beginning of my work years. I'd easily have additional millions in retirement funds if they would have put the money in a simple index fund.HHusky said:
Because the money is already spent. There is not a chance in Hell any of you rock ribbed “conservatives” isn’t going to accept your entitlements.hardhat said:
Why do you think we just need more taxes?HHusky said:
You don’t want to pay European tax rates and you don’t receive European benefits. You especially don’t want me paying European rates . . . ‘cuz socialism, of course.hardhat said:
Is there a chance that you missed the point of the discussion?HHusky said:
There is zero chance any of you gals pays 28% of your income in taxes. Basic math fail.hardhat said:
I'm really disappointed in you ladies. This is one of your favorite subjects, that we're not taxed enough. Did your booster shot have some side effects?HHusky said:
Bullshit. No you don’t.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I get taxed a lot more than 28% and still get toll roads.LoneStarDawg said:Paid 42% tax rate in Sweden, got free health care, free full time childcare (8:30am to 4pm), and $100 a month unlimited metro card.
US I get taxed 28% and get toll roads
They all got elected. -
What the fuck are you talking about? I was forced to put my money into Social Security. Why not give people the choice of putting that money into a simple index fund? And hell yes I would have done it. The benefits of the system I want would have been obvious to everyone. Only the true parasites who don't want to work would pick Social Security/Government Welfare.HHusky said:
You wouldn’t have done it.SFGbob said:Investing $500.00 a month for 40 years, starting in 1980, invested in a simple SP 500 index fund, would give you nearly $5 million in retirement funds. All of us who have worked our entire adult lives, have easily contributed that amount, along with our employer contributions, into the Social Security scam.
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What are they talking about? I was told that the program wouldn't cost anyone anything.GrundleStiltzkin said:
That is fucking embarrassing.RaceBannon said:
What kind of a dumbfuck votes for this?
H? Thoughts? -
People who don’t work collect a lot of SS do they?SFGbob said:
What the fuck are you talking about? I was forced to put my money into Social Security. Why not give people the choice of putting that money into a simple index fund? And hell yes I would have done it. The benefits of the system I want would have been obvious to everyone. Only the true parasites who don't want to work would pick Social Security/Government Welfare.HHusky said:
You wouldn’t have done it.SFGbob said:Investing $500.00 a month for 40 years, starting in 1980, invested in a simple SP 500 index fund, would give you nearly $5 million in retirement funds. All of us who have worked our entire adult lives, have easily contributed that amount, along with our employer contributions, into the Social Security scam.
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Your government has decided that you can't be trusted to invest for your retirement so we are going to steal that money from you and not invest it for your retirement.
I'm old enough to have fallen for the Al Gore LOCKBOX for social security. I was actually impressed because for years I had been saying the same thing Bob pointed out. We are getting shit for a return because the SS money goes into the general fund.
