Regarding Shaw- 34-7 is commendable, as are consecutive Pac-12 titles, but the 2012 Fiesta Bowel and 2014 Rose Bowl were bad enough to keep him off the top of the list. He at least deserves an asterisk.
The reason is the most successful guys (Carroll, Harbaugh, Chip) moved onto the NFL. The money is there for better assistants but we all know its the top guy that makes the entire staff. The conference is getting better players and better assistants but the most important part of that equation is a lot weaker than it was 5 years ago. As it is, Mora and Petersen to me are clearly the two best coaches in the conference with Rich Rod and Graham probably the next two. Petersen is clearly the best in the Pac-12 North. It bodes well for us over the next 5 years.
I count 6 better coaches and 4 worse coaches. 2014 looks better than 2009 overall. Sure, it doesn't have Carroll, Harbaugh or Kelly but it did have Wulff, the wrong Stoops, Hawkins and Tedford, Neu and Erickson were all on the decline.
I guess the middle tier is a lot better but the top tier is much weaker.
Carroll won multiple NC's, Under Chip Oregon was basically a top 2 or 3 program and Harbaugh took over a dumpster fire and after his 4th year he leaves them with a #1 ranking in SRS.
I guess the middle tier is a lot better but the top tier is much weaker.
Carroll won multiple NC's, Under Chip Oregon was basically a top 2 or 3 program and Harbaugh took over a dumpster fire and after his 4th year he leaves them with a #1 ranking in SRS.
Fair enough.
The top tier is weaker, but if you look at everyone else, every team improved on their coaching since sans Cal.
Be curious to see if any of these coaches ever moves up to the upper tier like Carroll, Kelly and Harbaugh. Shaw is the closest and Mora is getting there, but that's it for now. Guess we'll have a better idea of Petersen after this season, and I'd love to add his name to that list for obvious reasons.
Carroll Vs. Harbaugh could go down as the greatest coaching rivalry of all-time. Fun to watch them go at it in the Pac (advantage Harbaugh) and now the NFC WEST (advantage Carroll).
When you throw in Chip, that top tier in the PAC was pretty damn impressive.
Far as resume I think Petersen has to be #1 followed by Shaw. I like Mora but he's 0-3 against Shaw and skipped Oregon one year/plunger the other. So for now I'd say he's 3rd. I go Graham 4th then after that is who cares except on principle Sark has to be 7th.
Shaw far from sucks. He has one glaring weakness and that's a stubborn insistence on sticking to his offensive identity. In almost every other important coaching skill (recruiting, player dev, x's and o's) he's damn good.
I put Peterman fourth due to the lack of BCS quality competition (yes, BCC plays a couple of teams each yr., but then plays MW dreck eight times). I think he will be much better than Hawkins and Koetter, but I can't put a non-aq coach first until he proves it.
As for Shaw, I thought Stanfraud would have dropped off to 6-6 by now. He's doing it with a limited talent pool.
Shaw far from sucks. He has one glaring weakness and that's a stubborn insistence on sticking to his offensive identity. In almost every other important coaching skill (recruiting, player dev, x's and o's) he's damn good.
Shaw is a really good coach. But his decision making late in games puzzles me, in his losses this year. Utah-marched it all the way down to the six running gaffney, then inexplicably threw it on 3rd and 4th and.2, and he had plenty of time, almost 30 seconds and multiple timeouts. I didn't put the USC loss on him. They lost that because of 2 bad picks by hogan, 1 in the redzone. the loss to Michigan state was terrible, michigan state had practically the whole team at the LOS but shaw was determined to jam it up the middle. He also let a ton of time off the clock without even hurrying. Overall he recruits well and his player development is also very good, but he makes puzzling decisions from time to time
The reason is the most successful guys (Carroll, Harbaugh, Chip) moved onto the NFL. The money is there for better assistants but we all know its the top guy that makes the entire staff. The conference is getting better players and better assistants but the most important part of that equation is a lot weaker than it was 5 years ago. As it is, Mora and Petersen to me are clearly the two best coaches in the conference with Rich Rod and Graham probably the next two. Petersen is clearly the best in the Pac-12 North. It bodes well for us over the next 5 years.
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2009:
Arizona: Stoops (5th year)
ASU: Erickson (3rd year)
Cal: Tedford (8th year)
(Colorado): Hawkins (4th year)
Oregon: Kelly (1st year)
OSU: Riley (7th year)
Stanford: Harbaugh (3rd year)
UCLA: Neuheisel (2nd year)
USC: Carroll (9th year)
(Utah): Whittingham (5th year)
UW: Sark (1st year)
Wazzu: Wulff (2nd year)
2014:
Arizona: RichRod
ASU: Graham
Cal: Dykes
Colorado: MacIntyre
Oregon: Helfrich
OSU: Riley
Stanford: Shaw
UCLA: Mora
USC: Sark
Utah: Whittingham
UW: Petersen
Wazzu: Leach
Delta:
Arizona: +
ASU: +
Cal: -
Colorado: +
Oregon: -
Stanford: -
UCLA: +
USC: -
UW: +
Wazzu: +
I count 6 better coaches and 4 worse coaches. 2014 looks better than 2009 overall. Sure, it doesn't have Carroll, Harbaugh or Kelly but it did have Wulff, the wrong Stoops, Hawkins and Tedford, Neu and Erickson were all on the decline.
Carroll won multiple NC's, Under Chip Oregon was basically a top 2 or 3 program and Harbaugh took over a dumpster fire and after his 4th year he leaves them with a #1 ranking in SRS.
The top tier is weaker, but if you look at everyone else, every team improved on their coaching since sans Cal.
Be curious to see if any of these coaches ever moves up to the upper tier like Carroll, Kelly and Harbaugh. Shaw is the closest and Mora is getting there, but that's it for now. Guess we'll have a better idea of Petersen after this season, and I'd love to add his name to that list for obvious reasons.
When you throw in Chip, that top tier in the PAC was pretty damn impressive.
I thought Shaw was a jackass until he told our beloved fatass to stop being such a whiney cunt.
I don't love his game management by any means, but dude's teams show up ready to play.
If they don't fall off this year I don't think there's going to be a dropoff.
As for Shaw, I thought Stanfraud would have dropped off to 6-6 by now. He's doing it with a limited talent pool.
Utah-marched it all the way down to the six running gaffney, then inexplicably threw it on 3rd and 4th and.2, and he had plenty of time, almost 30 seconds and multiple timeouts.
I didn't put the USC loss on him. They lost that because of 2 bad picks by hogan, 1 in the redzone.
the loss to Michigan state was terrible, michigan state had practically the whole team at the LOS but shaw was determined to jam it up the middle. He also let a ton of time off the clock without even hurrying. Overall he recruits well and his player development is also very good, but he makes puzzling decisions from time to time
1. Shaw
2. Mora Jr
3. Graham
4. Peterson
5. Reilly
6. Rich Rod
7. Leach
8. Helfrich
9. Sark
10. Whittingham
11. Mac
12. Dykes