IMHO black eye for oregon

LoneStarDawg

Former Oregon House Speaker and current Clackamas Community College board member Dave Hunt has been arrested and charged by Portland police in an undercover sex traffic sting operation.
Hunt, a Democrat, voted for the 2011 bill that he is charged under.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/breaking-former-oregon-democrat-house-majority-speaker-arrested-human-sex-trafficking/

RaceBannon

I feel sorry for his brother Mike

YellowSnow

RaceBannon said:

I feel sorry for his brother Mike

HuskyJW

How many roses?

SFGbob

https://youtu.be/Me7o3IAD8uw

TheKobeStopper

Sex work is work.

hardhat

No wonder they want the police abolished

doogie

Figures you’d make a joke out of sex slavery.

Why is no one surprised?

Bendintheriver

People exactly like him were the main reason I quit the Governors office and got out of politics as a profession. Too many slime balls in OR and WA politics. If you aren't as slimy as them you get disillusioned real quick. The only good person I knew in Salem was the Governor himself.

trublue

Neil “the child molester” Goldschmidt?

Dr. John “this state is ungovernable” Kitzhaber?

I kid, I kid.

Prestonluv

Its was already black

Fire_Marshall_Bill

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

I feel sorry for his brother Mike

@PurpleBaze

Goduckies

Legalize prostitution and this goes away...

PurpleBaze

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

I feel sorry for his brother Mike

@PurpleBaze

@pawz

Doog_de_Jour

Goduckies said:

Legalize prostitution and this goes away...

Sadly I don’t think it does.

https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”

Goduckies

Seams pretty safe in Nevada

GreenRiverGatorz

Doog_de_Jour said:

Goduckies said:

Legalize prostitution and this goes away...

Sadly I don’t think it does.

https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”

A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.

Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.

GreenRiverGatorz

Goduckies said:

Seams pretty safe in Nevada

It's not. They're a top 10 state in terms of instances of human trafficking.

EsophagealFeces

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Goduckies said:

Seams pretty safe in Nevada

It's not. They're a top 10 state in terms of instances of human trafficking.

That probably has more to do with all the drunk women making easier targets for abduction than the legality of sex work. Either way, I don’t think legalizing it is the answer.

Sledog

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Doog_de_Jour said:

Goduckies said:

Legalize prostitution and this goes away...

Sadly I don’t think it does.

https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”

A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.

Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.

Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.

WestlinnDuck

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Doog_de_Jour said:

Goduckies said:

Legalize prostitution and this goes away...

Sadly I don’t think it does.

https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”

A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.

Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.

Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.

All that was happening before pot legalization.

GreenRiverGatorz

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Doog_de_Jour said:

Goduckies said:

Legalize prostitution and this goes away...

Sadly I don’t think it does.

https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”

A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.

Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.

Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.

Not even sure where to start on this one. This is a @Sledog all-timer of bad policy understanding.

Anyways, huge belly laughs in the media room at the idea that armed robberies of cash-carrying marijuana retailers are a problem that even begins to approach the levels of crime that are involved when marijuana is a black market. Also all the more reasons for the federal government to remove it from schedule 1 so banks and CC processors no longer balk at providing services to these retailers and they can stop carrying absurd amounts of cash.

And moving production to our country is kind of the whole fucking point. Retail marijuana is grown by licensed growers who have to meet quality and safety standards. And then Uncle Sam gets his taste. Contrast that with weed that's produced by cartel-owned growers south of the border, who often use their own version of slave labor, and is used to finance huge swaths of atrocities.

GrundleStiltzkin

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Doog_de_Jour said:

Goduckies said:

Legalize prostitution and this goes away...

Sadly I don’t think it does.

https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”

A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.

Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.

Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.

Not even sure where to start on this one. This is a @Sledog all-timer of bad policy understanding.

Anyways, huge belly laughs in the media room at the idea that armed robberies of cash-carrying marijuana retailers are a problem that even begins to approach the levels of crime that are involved when marijuana is a black market. Also all the more reasons for the federal government to remove it from schedule 1 so banks and CC processors no longer balk at providing services to these retailers and they can stop carrying absurd amounts of cash.

And moving production to our country is kind of the whole fucking point. Retail marijuana is grown by licensed growers who have to meet quality and safety standards. And then Uncle Sam gets his taste. Contrast that with weed that's produced by cartel-owned growers south of the border, who often use their own version of slave labor, and is used to finance huge swaths of atrocities.

I know a grower or two. Their biggest problems were borne from chinconsistent laws between state and federal. To wit, no banking in the first few years. However, that got squared away in Washington a while back.

Anyhow, Sled is a Statist.

Sledog

WestlinnDuck said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Doog_de_Jour said:

Goduckies said:

Legalize prostitution and this goes away...

Sadly I don’t think it does.

https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”

A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.

Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.

Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.

All that was happening before pot legalization.

Let's legalize murder should solve lot's of problems.

GreenRiverGatorz

Sledog said:

WestlinnDuck said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Doog_de_Jour said:

Goduckies said:

Legalize prostitution and this goes away...

Sadly I don’t think it does.

https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”

A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.

Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.

Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.

All that was happening before pot legalization.

Let's legalize murder should solve lot's of problems.

That's one of the things I love about you Sled. It's clear you have a few screws loose, and you're often not actually following what is being said in a conversation. But god dammit if that doesn't stop you from diving in headfirst with a scorching hot take with 100% confidence and bravado. You can't teach that kind of self-surety.

Sledog

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

WestlinnDuck said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Doog_de_Jour said:

Goduckies said:

Legalize prostitution and this goes away...

Sadly I don’t think it does.

https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”

A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.

Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.

Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.

All that was happening before pot legalization.

Let's legalize murder should solve lot's of problems.

That's one of the things I love about you Sled. It's clear you have a few screws loose, and you're often not actually following what is being said in a conversation. But god dammit if that doesn't stop you from diving in headfirst with a scorching hot take with 100% confidence and bravado. You can't teach that kind of self-surety.

The difference is I know and you don't. But hell that's obvious in every thread you post in. I have opinions as do you. You assume you're right. Your only born one way. It's a physical thing. Making a different choice is mental. I blame parents for almost all of this. normally an overbearing mother. But hell I haven't actually seen any of this craziness like you have. I haven't been to their suicides or family quarrels a zillion times. I'm sure you have more experience you read about in school somewhere. Please enlighten me.

RaceBannon

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Doog_de_Jour said:

Goduckies said:

Legalize prostitution and this goes away...

Sadly I don’t think it does.

https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”

A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.

Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.

Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.

Not even sure where to start on this one. This is a @Sledog all-timer of bad policy understanding.

Anyways, huge belly laughs in the media room at the idea that armed robberies of cash-carrying marijuana retailers are a problem that even begins to approach the levels of crime that are involved when marijuana is a black market. Also all the more reasons for the federal government to remove it from schedule 1 so banks and CC processors no longer balk at providing services to these retailers and they can stop carrying absurd amounts of cash.

And moving production to our country is kind of the whole fucking point. Retail marijuana is grown by licensed growers who have to meet quality and safety standards. And then Uncle Sam gets his taste. Contrast that with weed that's produced by cartel-owned growers south of the border, who often use their own version of slave labor, and is used to finance huge swaths of atrocities.

Its one of the easier problems to solve

I hate having to load up on cash at the ATM to go buy weed. And they hate having all that cash

WestlinnDuck

Sledog said:

WestlinnDuck said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Doog_de_Jour said:

Goduckies said:

Legalize prostitution and this goes away...

Sadly I don’t think it does.

https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”

A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.

Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.

Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.

All that was happening before pot legalization.

Let's legalize murder should solve lot's of problems.

Weed does not equal murder. Banning alcohol during prohibition caused lots of murders. IMO, weed causes less problems than alcohol. I never claimed that weed doesn't cause problems.

Alexis

What I love about the Tug. A thread that starts out about a guy who gets busted in a prostitution sting turns into a thread about how weed doesn't equal murder.

trublue

New criminal laws, despite the best of intentions, have unintended consequences.

Unfortunately, police officers have to deal with these.

Without legalizing marijuana federally, passing medical marijuana laws and legalizing marijuana state by state has been a clusterfuck.

GreenRiverGatorz

trublue said:

New criminal laws, despite the best of intentions, have unintended consequences.

Unfortunately, police officers have to deal with these.

Without legalizing marijuana federally, passing medical marijuana laws and legalizing marijuana state by state has been a clusterfuck.

I'm open to hearing how it's been a clusterfuck relative to the prior status quo of it being criminalized in all 50 states. Obviously legalizing it federally would be the ideal solution, but here we are.