“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”
A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.
Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.
Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.
Not even sure where to start on this one. This is a @Sledog all-timer of bad policy understanding.
Anyways, huge belly laughs in the media room at the idea that armed robberies of cash-carrying marijuana retailers are a problem that even begins to approach the levels of crime that are involved when marijuana is a black market. Also all the more reasons for the federal government to remove it from schedule 1 so banks and CC processors no longer balk at providing services to these retailers and they can stop carrying absurd amounts of cash.
And moving production to our country is kind of the whole fucking point. Retail marijuana is grown by licensed growers who have to meet quality and safety standards. And then Uncle Sam gets his taste. Contrast that with weed that's produced by cartel-owned growers south of the border, who often use their own version of slave labor, and is used to finance huge swaths of atrocities.
“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”
A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.
Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.
Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.
Not even sure where to start on this one. This is a @Sledog all-timer of bad policy understanding.
Anyways, huge belly laughs in the media room at the idea that armed robberies of cash-carrying marijuana retailers are a problem that even begins to approach the levels of crime that are involved when marijuana is a black market. Also all the more reasons for the federal government to remove it from schedule 1 so banks and CC processors no longer balk at providing services to these retailers and they can stop carrying absurd amounts of cash.
And moving production to our country is kind of the whole fucking point. Retail marijuana is grown by licensed growers who have to meet quality and safety standards. And then Uncle Sam gets his taste. Contrast that with weed that's produced by cartel-owned growers south of the border, who often use their own version of slave labor, and is used to finance huge swaths of atrocities.
I know a grower or two. Their biggest problems were borne from chinconsistent laws between state and federal. To wit, no banking in the first few years. However, that got squared away in Washington a while back.
“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”
A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.
Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.
Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.
All that was happening before pot legalization.
Let's legalize murder should solve lot's of problems.
“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”
A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.
Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.
Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.
All that was happening before pot legalization.
Let's legalize murder should solve lot's of problems.
That's one of the things I love about you Sled. It's clear you have a few screws loose, and you're often not actually following what is being said in a conversation. But god dammit if that doesn't stop you from diving in headfirst with a scorching hot take with 100% confidence and bravado. You can't teach that kind of self-surety.
“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”
A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.
Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.
Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.
All that was happening before pot legalization.
Let's legalize murder should solve lot's of problems.
That's one of the things I love about you Sled. It's clear you have a few screws loose, and you're often not actually following what is being said in a conversation. But god dammit if that doesn't stop you from diving in headfirst with a scorching hot take with 100% confidence and bravado. You can't teach that kind of self-surety.
The difference is I know and you don't. But hell that's obvious in every thread you post in. I have opinions as do you. You assume you're right. Your only born one way. It's a physical thing. Making a different choice is mental. I blame parents for almost all of this. normally an overbearing mother. But hell I haven't actually seen any of this craziness like you have. I haven't been to their suicides or family quarrels a zillion times. I'm sure you have more experience you read about in school somewhere. Please enlighten me.
“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”
A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.
Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.
Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.
Not even sure where to start on this one. This is a @Sledog all-timer of bad policy understanding.
Anyways, huge belly laughs in the media room at the idea that armed robberies of cash-carrying marijuana retailers are a problem that even begins to approach the levels of crime that are involved when marijuana is a black market. Also all the more reasons for the federal government to remove it from schedule 1 so banks and CC processors no longer balk at providing services to these retailers and they can stop carrying absurd amounts of cash.
And moving production to our country is kind of the whole fucking point. Retail marijuana is grown by licensed growers who have to meet quality and safety standards. And then Uncle Sam gets his taste. Contrast that with weed that's produced by cartel-owned growers south of the border, who often use their own version of slave labor, and is used to finance huge swaths of atrocities.
Its one of the easier problems to solve
I hate having to load up on cash at the ATM to go buy weed. And they hate having all that cash
“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”
A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.
Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.
Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.
All that was happening before pot legalization.
Let's legalize murder should solve lot's of problems.
Weed does not equal murder. Banning alcohol during prohibition caused lots of murders. IMO, weed causes less problems than alcohol. I never claimed that weed doesn't cause problems.
What I love about the Tug. A thread that starts out about a guy who gets busted in a prostitution sting turns into a thread about how weed doesn't equal murder.
New criminal laws, despite the best of intentions, have unintended consequences.
Unfortunately, police officers have to deal with these.
Without legalizing marijuana federally, passing medical marijuana laws and legalizing marijuana state by state has been a clusterfuck.
I'm open to hearing how it's been a clusterfuck relative to the prior status quo of it being criminalized in all 50 states. Obviously legalizing it federally would be the ideal solution, but here we are.
Clusterfuck was the wrong word. Unintended consequences would be more appropriate. Starting with legalizing medical marijuana . . . people in states where medical marijuana was legalized started shipping large quantities of pot to states where it was not legal . . . Recipients shipped large quantities of cash back.
Both are subject to prosecution and/or forfeiture. Recipients of the pot were subject to prosecution for receipt of the pot by local authorities in a state where it was not legal. Recipients of the cash were subject to forfeiture of the cash. Remember, it is a federal violation to ship the proceeds via the U.S. Mail, UPS, FedEx, etc.
When legalized in a state, the shipping only increases.
I realize this is a minor blip when compared to it’s criminalization in all states.
What I’ve never understood is why people would stop growing and selling it illegally if it’s no longer a crime.
Clusterfuck was the wrong word. Unintended consequences would be more appropriate. Starting with legalizing medical marijuana . . . people in states where medical marijuana was legalized started shipping large quantities of pot to states where it was not legal . . . Recipients shipped large quantities of cash back.
Both are subject to prosecution and/or forfeiture. Recipients of the pot were subject to prosecution for receipt of the pot by local authorities in a state where it was not legal. Recipients of the cash were subject to forfeiture of the cash. Remember, it is a federal violation to ship the proceeds via the U.S. Mail, UPS, FedEx, etc.
When legalized in a state, the shipping only increases.
I realize this is a minor blip when compared to it’s criminalization in all states.
What I’ve never understood is why people would stop growing and selling it illegally if it’s no longer a crime.
Why go to a state-run pot shop?
That all makes sense, and it's an inherent flaw (sometimes feature) in our 50 sovereign states model. I think we'd agree that in this case the feds just need to legalize the damn thing.
And perhaps other consumers have different approaches, but I love the pot shops (not state-run mind you). Even if taxes do create higher prices (not convinced they do with economies of scale), I'll gladly pay that for the convenience of overwhelming selection (with a pothead behind the counter to walk me through all 500 strains), as well as the huge increase in quality that comes with these shops. Now that I live in a state that hasn't yet developed their legalized retailer model, the convenience of pot shops has never been more apparent.
Clusterfuck was the wrong word. Unintended consequences would be more appropriate. Starting with legalizing medical marijuana . . . people in states where medical marijuana was legalized started shipping large quantities of pot to states where it was not legal . . . Recipients shipped large quantities of cash back.
Both are subject to prosecution and/or forfeiture. Recipients of the pot were subject to prosecution for receipt of the pot by local authorities in a state where it was not legal. Recipients of the cash were subject to forfeiture of the cash. Remember, it is a federal violation to ship the proceeds via the U.S. Mail, UPS, FedEx, etc.
When legalized in a state, the shipping only increases.
I realize this is a minor blip when compared to it’s criminalization in all states.
What I’ve never understood is why people would stop growing and selling it illegally if it’s no longer a crime.
Why go to a state-run pot shop?
In Oregon, you can legally grow 4 plants at a time. If I was a user, I'd go that route.
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Anyways, huge belly laughs in the media room at the idea that armed robberies of cash-carrying marijuana retailers are a problem that even begins to approach the levels of crime that are involved when marijuana is a black market. Also all the more reasons for the federal government to remove it from schedule 1 so banks and CC processors no longer balk at providing services to these retailers and they can stop carrying absurd amounts of cash.
And moving production to our country is kind of the whole fucking point. Retail marijuana is grown by licensed growers who have to meet quality and safety standards. And then Uncle Sam gets his taste. Contrast that with weed that's produced by cartel-owned growers south of the border, who often use their own version of slave labor, and is used to finance huge swaths of atrocities.
Anyhow, Sled is a Statist.
I hate having to load up on cash at the ATM to go buy weed. And they hate having all that cash
Unfortunately, police officers have to deal with these.
Without legalizing marijuana federally, passing medical marijuana laws and legalizing marijuana state by state has been a clusterfuck.
Both are subject to prosecution and/or forfeiture. Recipients of the pot were subject to prosecution for receipt of the pot by local authorities in a state where it was not legal. Recipients of the cash were subject to forfeiture of the cash. Remember, it is a federal violation to ship the proceeds via the U.S. Mail, UPS, FedEx, etc.
When legalized in a state, the shipping only increases.
I realize this is a minor blip when compared to it’s criminalization in all states.
What I’ve never understood is why people would stop growing and selling it illegally if it’s no longer a crime.
Why go to a state-run pot shop?
And perhaps other consumers have different approaches, but I love the pot shops (not state-run mind you). Even if taxes do create higher prices (not convinced they do with economies of scale), I'll gladly pay that for the convenience of overwhelming selection (with a pothead behind the counter to walk me through all 500 strains), as well as the huge increase in quality that comes with these shops. Now that I live in a state that hasn't yet developed their legalized retailer model, the convenience of pot shops has never been more apparent.