From a personal health standpoint, yes. From a herd immunity standpoint, no.
I'm wondering what exactly would achieve herd immunity. So many countries had very strict lockdowns but that didn't seem to work. From everything I've seen, the vaccines do work, at least for protecting the vulnerable and those in high risk areas. So I'd want my parents to have it. But I'm not sure we need kids to have it. And it does sound harsh to say virus gonna virus, but it seems herd immunity is only achieved with a combination of antibodies in those who had it (99%) and those who get the vaccine. I wouldn't tell adults not to get it, but I feel our public health experts are going to drag this out for years with endless lockdowns and mask mandates.
I think that's the big unknown since the % needed for herd immunity can vary wildly by disease. The problem is compounded when Fauci and the public health apparatus aren't willing to stick their necks out and at least start making estimates, or even so much as consider natural infection as part of the herd immunity equation.
@BleachedAnusDawg is right in that we'll probably never technically reach herd immunity and eradicate the disease. But a good outcome is one where enough people build up immunity to the point where the worst case scenario is this thing kills people at the same clip as the flu. Say, under 50k a year.
Geezus you swallow like a $5 whore. Fow Chee and the CDC last year said herd immunity was comprised of those vaccinated plus those who had been infected. Now, it's just counting vaccinated. Fow Chee and the incompetent CDC are not to be trusted. When Fow Chee won't let vaccinated people not wear a mask indoors and just now says they can take a walk on the beach without a mask, you have to be a blue ribbon sheeple to believe a word they say. For me, the latest lockdowns are criminally incompetent. But for a leftard, this just isn't a voting issue because of the high character of Fow Chee and the dementia patient in the Oval Office.
From a personal health standpoint, yes. From a herd immunity standpoint, no.
I'm wondering what exactly would achieve herd immunity. So many countries had very strict lockdowns but that didn't seem to work. From everything I've seen, the vaccines do work, at least for protecting the vulnerable and those in high risk areas. So I'd want my parents to have it. But I'm not sure we need kids to have it. And it does sound harsh to say virus gonna virus, but it seems herd immunity is only achieved with a combination of antibodies in those who had it (99%) and those who get the vaccine. I wouldn't tell adults not to get it, but I feel our public health experts are going to drag this out for years with endless lockdowns and mask mandates.
I think that's the big unknown since the % needed for herd immunity can vary wildly by disease. The problem is compounded when Fauci and the public health apparatus aren't willing to stick their necks out and at least start making estimates, or even so much as consider natural infection as part of the herd immunity equation.
@BleachedAnusDawg is right in that we'll probably never technically reach herd immunity and eradicate the disease. But a good outcome is one where enough people build up immunity to the point where the worst case scenario is this thing kills people at the same clip as the flu. Say, under 50k a year.
The actual best go forward outcome is to treat with anti
From a personal health standpoint, yes. From a herd immunity standpoint, no.
Healthy people build natural immunity from exposure to small amounts of the virus.
Unhealthy people and fraidy cats are getting vaccinated, which creates "vaccine-dependent immunity." Problem with Pfizer and Moderna is they do the work for your body, while J&J is old school and works with your immune system to develop immunity, not alongside it.
We made a trade-off to flatten the curve at the beginning. That was fine. But the continuous shut-downs for months interfered with and prevented natural herd immunity. We lost the ability to suppress the virus by May of 2020. Schools and businesses where people could socially distance should have been re-opened at that point. Not doing so delayed natural herd immunity big-time.
You and I were right. “Vaccines” or whatever the hell this thing is called is going to need to be an endless thing once you get on the program.
From a personal health standpoint, yes. From a herd immunity standpoint, no.
I'm wondering what exactly would achieve herd immunity. So many countries had very strict lockdowns but that didn't seem to work. From everything I've seen, the vaccines do work, at least for protecting the vulnerable and those in high risk areas. So I'd want my parents to have it. But I'm not sure we need kids to have it. And it does sound harsh to say virus gonna virus, but it seems herd immunity is only achieved with a combination of antibodies in those who had it (99%) and those who get the vaccine. I wouldn't tell adults not to get it, but I feel our public health experts are going to drag this out for years with endless lockdowns and mask mandates.
I think that's the big unknown since the % needed for herd immunity can vary wildly by disease. The problem is compounded when Fauci and the public health apparatus aren't willing to stick their necks out and at least start making estimates, or even so much as consider natural infection as part of the herd immunity equation.
@BleachedAnusDawg is right in that we'll probably never technically reach herd immunity and eradicate the disease. But a good outcome is one where enough people build up immunity to the point where the worst case scenario is this thing kills people at the same clip as the flu. Say, under 50k a year.
Geezus you swallow like a $5 whore. Fow Chee and the CDC last year said herd immunity was comprised of those vaccinated plus those who had been infected. Now, it's just counting vaccinated. Fow Chee and the incompetent CDC are not to be trusted. When Fow Chee won't let vaccinated people not wear a mask indoors and just now says they can take a walk on the beach without a mask, you have to be a blue ribbon sheeple to believe a word they say. For me, the latest lockdowns are criminally incompetent. But for a leftard, this just isn't a voting issue because of the high character of Fow Chee and the dementia patient in the Oval Office.
Gee, it's almost as if I just said that exact fucking thing. Try reading.
From a personal health standpoint, yes. From a herd immunity standpoint, no.
Unhealthy people and fraidy cats are getting vaccinated, which creates "vaccine-dependent immunity." Problem with Pfizer and Moderna is they do the work for your body, while J&J is old school and works with your immune system to develop immunity, not alongside it.
Curious about this piece. What makes "vaccine dependent" immunity any different than natural immunity from infection? Is there anything to suggest that the latter is any better at protecting against the virus, including resistance to newer variants?
Dr. Marty Makary, who is firmly in the camp of "open the fuck up and tell Fauci to shove it" certainly talks about the two as though they're interchangeable, and this is the first I've heard anyone suggest the vaccine would be less effective than previously having the infection.
The older Vector Type versions, like J&J, from what I have read, train your immune system for more general threats, versus the rMNA vaccines which are more specific and targeted to combat the specific virus, and apparently some variants, too, albeit at a lesser rate of effectiveness.
The newer types are more foreign to your body's natural immune system, and we haven't had enough time to see if they will intertwine with your natural immune system, or - as they were designed - essentially replace aspects of it. The new rMNA stuff is very promising for treating future cancers and other stuff that we can't determine the origins of, but it's pretty iron-clad that naturally developed bodily immunity better prepares populations for more general threats, such as variants of the current Covid virus.
Another concern is that the current virus is essentially morphing to get around a new type of more potent vaccine it hasn't seen before, which could result in a much stronger, foreign variants than our bodies are used to handling and combatting without any vaccines.
This is how we got superbugs and how MRSA became such a problem as people used more and more hand sanitizer and anti-bacterial soaps that killed both good and bad bacteria, leaving us even more susceptible to newer, stronger forms of bacteria.
Most times a scatter gun is better overall at controlling a threat than a sniper rifle.
From a personal health standpoint, yes. From a herd immunity standpoint, no.
I'm wondering what exactly would achieve herd immunity. So many countries had very strict lockdowns but that didn't seem to work. From everything I've seen, the vaccines do work, at least for protecting the vulnerable and those in high risk areas. So I'd want my parents to have it. But I'm not sure we need kids to have it. And it does sound harsh to say virus gonna virus, but it seems herd immunity is only achieved with a combination of antibodies in those who had it (99%) and those who get the vaccine. I wouldn't tell adults not to get it, but I feel our public health experts are going to drag this out for years with endless lockdowns and mask mandates.
I think that's the big unknown since the % needed for herd immunity can vary wildly by disease. The problem is compounded when Fauci and the public health apparatus aren't willing to stick their necks out and at least start making estimates, or even so much as consider natural infection as part of the herd immunity equation.
@BleachedAnusDawg is right in that we'll probably never technically reach herd immunity and eradicate the disease. But a good outcome is one where enough people build up immunity to the point where the worst case scenario is this thing kills people at the same clip as the flu. Say, under 50k a year.
Geezus you swallow like a $5 whore. Fow Chee and the CDC last year said herd immunity was comprised of those vaccinated plus those who had been infected. Now, it's just counting vaccinated. Fow Chee and the incompetent CDC are not to be trusted. When Fow Chee won't let vaccinated people not wear a mask indoors and just now says they can take a walk on the beach without a mask, you have to be a blue ribbon sheeple to believe a word they say. For me, the latest lockdowns are criminally incompetent. But for a leftard, this just isn't a voting issue because of the high character of Fow Chee and the dementia patient in the Oval Office.
Gee, it's almost as if I just said that exact fucking thing. Try reading.
Sure. Just not a voting issue for a leftard. All that high character and devotion to SCIENCE.
From a personal health standpoint, yes. From a herd immunity standpoint, no.
Unhealthy people and fraidy cats are getting vaccinated, which creates "vaccine-dependent immunity." Problem with Pfizer and Moderna is they do the work for your body, while J&J is old school and works with your immune system to develop immunity, not alongside it.
Curious about this piece. What makes "vaccine dependent" immunity any different than natural immunity from infection? Is there anything to suggest that the latter is any better at protecting against the virus, including resistance to newer variants?
Dr. Marty Makary, who is firmly in the camp of "open the fuck up and tell Fauci to shove it" certainly talks about the two as though they're interchangeable, and this is the first I've heard anyone suggest the vaccine would be less effective than previously having the infection.
The older Vector Type versions, like J&J, from what I have read, train your immune system for more general threats, versus the rMNA vaccines which are more specific and targeted to combat the specific virus, and apparently some variants, too, albeit at a lesser rate of effectiveness.
The newer types are more foreign to your body's natural immune system, and we haven't had enough time to see if they will intertwine with your natural immune system, or - as they were designed - essentially replace aspects of it. The new rMNA stuff is very promising for treating future cancers and other stuff that we can't determine the origins of, but it's pretty iron-clad that naturally developed bodily immunity better prepares populations for more general threats, such as variants of the current Covid virus.
Another concern is that the current virus is essentially morphing to get around a new type of more potent vaccine it hasn't seen before, which could result in a much stronger, foreign variants than our bodies are used to handling and combatting without any vaccines.
This is how we got superbugs and how MRSA became such a problem as people used more and more hand sanitizer and anti-bacterial soaps that killed both good and bad bacteria, leaving us even more susceptible to newer, stronger forms of bacteria.
Most times a scatter gun is better overall at controlling a threat than a sniper rifle.
I'm from the George Carlin/Swim in the East River school of auto-immune system enhancement.
From a personal health standpoint, yes. From a herd immunity standpoint, no.
Unhealthy people and fraidy cats are getting vaccinated, which creates "vaccine-dependent immunity." Problem with Pfizer and Moderna is they do the work for your body, while J&J is old school and works with your immune system to develop immunity, not alongside it.
Curious about this piece. What makes "vaccine dependent" immunity any different than natural immunity from infection? Is there anything to suggest that the latter is any better at protecting against the virus, including resistance to newer variants?
Dr. Marty Makary, who is firmly in the camp of "open the fuck up and tell Fauci to shove it" certainly talks about the two as though they're interchangeable, and this is the first I've heard anyone suggest the vaccine would be less effective than previously having the infection.
The older Vector Type versions, like J&J, from what I have read, train your immune system for more general threats, versus the rMNA vaccines which are more specific and targeted to combat the specific virus, and apparently some variants, too, albeit at a lesser rate of effectiveness.
The newer types are more foreign to your body's natural immune system, and we haven't had enough time to see if they will intertwine with your natural immune system, or - as they were designed - essentially replace aspects of it. The new rMNA stuff is very promising for treating future cancers and other stuff that we can't determine the origins of, but it's pretty iron-clad that naturally developed bodily immunity better prepares populations for more general threats, such as variants of the current Covid virus.
Another concern is that the current virus is essentially morphing to get around a new type of more potent vaccine it hasn't seen before, which could result in a much stronger, foreign variants than our bodies are used to handling and combatting without any vaccines.
This is how we got superbugs and how MRSA became such a problem as people used more and more hand sanitizer and anti-bacterial soaps that killed both good and bad bacteria, leaving us even more susceptible to newer, stronger forms of bacteria.
Most times a scatter gun is better overall at controlling a threat than a sniper rifle.
I'm from the George Carlin/Swim in the East River school of auto-immune system enhancement.
Most likely explanation for the massive increase in asthma is the helicopter moms who keep there kids in a sterile bubble. No pets, hepa filters, limited play outside, sterilize the binky if it hit the floor. I was raised feral and in my grade school there was one kid in school that I knew had asthma. Probably more, but really limited. My son's first grade soccer team had three kids using inhalers before a match. My kids grew up with a cat in their crib after week one. Outside crawling on the grass as soon as they could crawl. Cat and dog fur everywhere.
Let the market decide whether his opinion and belief is valid. Silencing opposing thought is truly unAmerican.
Even dumbass opinions and doublethink like the crap @TheKobeStopper spews deserve to be heard. Mocked and ridiculed as fuckery, but no problem at all with giving the shills a platform to get destroyed.
STFU =/= cancel.
Rogan has been a target for awhile. Nothing will happen. Rogan will continue on.
Let the market decide whether his opinion and belief is valid. Silencing opposing thought is truly unAmerican.
Even dumbass opinions and doublethink like the crap @TheKobeStopper spews deserve to be heard. Mocked and ridiculed as fuckery, but no problem at all with giving the shills a platform to get destroyed.
STFU =/= cancel.
Rogan has been a target for awhile. Nothing will happen. Rogan will continue on.
Rogan is a flea compared to Rush. Rogan will fight and he will be okay.
I see that Fauci and others have responded by saying his comments were "wrong", even though Rogan only offered a suggestion and didn't say anything that can be fact checked.
I did some searching to make sure I didn't miss anything, and saw that even Snopes posted an article saying Joe Rogan made a false statement. The funniest part is the author of the Snopes article starts their explanation with:
"Whether or not someone should worry is a subjective decision, but any implication that young people are at no risk of serious COVID-19 complications is a fiction."
So they admit that his comments were subjective, which means they have no business fact checking his comments in the first place. But then they go on to imply that Rogan said young people were at no risk, per the second half of that opening sentence, which he didn't say at all.
How that trash-run website still has credibility with people is beyond me.
I'm going to stroll down Broadway maskless with a CDC told me so t shirt on.
Those fuckers will have an aneurysm.
It doesn't matter what anyone says now the as the far left have been brainwashed for the last 14 months. The damage has been done to 40% of America. They are forever changed to believe the nonsense the powers that be have spewed for the last year.
I'm going to stroll down Broadway maskless with a CDC told me so t shirt on.
Those fuckers will have an aneurysm.
It doesn't matter what anyone says now the as the far left have been brainwashed for the last 14 months. The damage has been done to 40% of America. They are forever changed to believe the nonsense the powers that be have spewed for the last year.
I do think the 5% lunatic fringe has moved up to about 15 to 20% on the left. Those fuckers are dug in in absolute fear.
There's still about 30% like the @YellowSnow's and @creepycoug who lean liberal but know it's still all a bunch of bullshit. They'll vote red come midterms when the left tries to push all in with absurdity.
Already seeing it locally. And, Christ, just look at the exodus of the blue states relative to Congressional re-alignment - and that was based on a census taken well before all the current fuckery.
I'm going to stroll down Broadway maskless with a CDC told me so t shirt on.
Those fuckers will have an aneurysm.
It doesn't matter what anyone says now the as the far left have been brainwashed for the last 14 months. The damage has been done to 40% of America. They are forever changed to believe the nonsense the powers that be have spewed for the last year.
I do think the 5% lunatic fringe has moved up to about 15 to 20% on the left. Those fuckers are dug in in absolute fear.
There's still about 30% like the @YellowSnow's and @creepycoug who lean liberal but know it's still all a bunch of bullshit. They'll vote red come midterms when the left tries to push all in with absurdity.
Already seeing it locally. And, Christ, just look at the exodus of the blue states relative to Congressional re-alignment - and that was based on a census taken well before all the current fuckery.
I just left my house to come into the city to my office, my neighbor (Biden voter) who is 67 years old and fully vaccinated, really nice guy, was outside in his front yard by himself, pulling weeds in a mask.
Beautiful day here, low 70s, slight breeze air is crystal clear because it just rained the other day and the poor sap is out in his yard by himself in a mask. I know he is fully vaccinated but I asked him anyway, hey John, didn't you get your second shot a few weeks back?
I'm going to stroll down Broadway maskless with a CDC told me so t shirt on.
Those fuckers will have an aneurysm.
It doesn't matter what anyone says now the as the far left have been brainwashed for the last 14 months. The damage has been done to 40% of America. They are forever changed to believe the nonsense the powers that be have spewed for the last year.
I do think the 5% lunatic fringe has moved up to about 15 to 20% on the left. Those fuckers are dug in in absolute fear.
There's still about 30% like the @YellowSnow's and @creepycoug who lean liberal but know it's still all a bunch of bullshit. They'll vote red come midterms when the left tries to push all in with absurdity.
Already seeing it locally. And, Christ, just look at the exodus of the blue states relative to Congressional re-alignment - and that was based on a census taken well before all the current fuckery.
I just left my house to come into the city to my office, my neighbor (Biden voter) who is 67 years old and fully vaccinated, really nice guy, was outside in his front yard by himself, pulling weeds in a mask.
Beautiful day here, low 70s, slight breeze air is crystal clear because it just rained the other day and the poor sap is out in his yard by himself in a mask. I know he is fully vaccinated but I asked him anyway, hey John, didn't you get your second shot a few weeks back?
But its not just the left
My mom is fully vaccinated,, as far right as can be and she still sprays the bottom of shoes, wears a mask almost everywhere and uses sanitizer like its water.
There are many people who have a fear of germs or whom are a hypochondriac and their worry has just gone up 10 fold and it will likely never lower much. All because of the constant fear mongering combined with the promotion of wearing masks and distancing even when vaccinated.
Spewing horseshit like vaccinated people can spread just as easy is a fucking travesty Fauci has much of America as his own personal gimp and needs to be stoned to death.
I'm usually a centrist politically but this changing the narrative bullshit has me despising the left so much that I am seriously considering not voting for any of them the next few elections. I'm usually about 60/40 for Republicans. Time to make it 100/0 and become someone I despise for a few elections. A party line voter.
Let the illegals cross over freely without a vaccination or a covid test on one hand and then scare much of America with fear mongering and restrictions on the other hand. The left has gone full retard
Inslee and moonpig Durkin are two of the worst and they both need to get covid and aids concurrently
I'm going to stroll down Broadway maskless with a CDC told me so t shirt on.
Those fuckers will have an aneurysm.
It doesn't matter what anyone says now the as the far left have been brainwashed for the last 14 months. The damage has been done to 40% of America. They are forever changed to believe the nonsense the powers that be have spewed for the last year.
I do think the 5% lunatic fringe has moved up to about 15 to 20% on the left. Those fuckers are dug in in absolute fear.
There's still about 30% like the @YellowSnow's and @creepycoug who lean liberal but know it's still all a bunch of bullshit. They'll vote red come midterms when the left tries to push all in with absurdity.
Already seeing it locally. And, Christ, just look at the exodus of the blue states relative to Congressional re-alignment - and that was based on a census taken well before all the current fuckery.
I just left my house to come into the city to my office, my neighbor (Biden voter) who is 67 years old and fully vaccinated, really nice guy, was outside in his front yard by himself, pulling weeds in a mask.
Beautiful day here, low 70s, slight breeze air is crystal clear because it just rained the other day and the poor sap is out in his yard by himself in a mask. I know he is fully vaccinated but I asked him anyway, hey John, didn't you get your second shot a few weeks back?
But its not just the left
My mom is fully vaccinated,, as far right as can be and she still sprays the bottom of shoes, wears a mask almost everywhere and uses sanitizer like its water.
There are many people who have a fear of germs or whom are a hypochondriac and their worry has just gone up 10 fold and it will likely never lower much. All because of the constant fear mongering combined with the promotion of wearing masks and distancing even when vaccinated.
Spewing horseshit like vaccinated people can spread just as easy is a fucking travesty Fauci has much of America as his own persona gimp and needs to be stoned to death.
I'm usually a centrist politically but this changing the narrative bullshit has me despising the left so much that I am seriously considering not voting for any of them the next few elections. I'm usually about 60/40 for Republicans. Time to make it 100/0 and become someone I despise for a few elections. A party line voter.
Let the illegals cross over freely without a vaccination or a covid test on one hand and then scare much of the control with fear mongering and restrictions on the other hand. The left has gone full retard
Inslee and moonpig Durkin are two of the worst and they both need to get covid and aids concurrently
Surface transmitted COVID along with outdoor transmitted COVID is nearly non-existent and we've known this about both of them for nearly a year on the outdoors and 9 months on the surface transmission.
"I'm usually a centrist politically but this changing the narrative bullshit has me despising the left so much that I am seriously considering not voting for any of them the next few elections."
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The newer types are more foreign to your body's natural immune system, and we haven't had enough time to see if they will intertwine with your natural immune system, or - as they were designed - essentially replace aspects of it. The new rMNA stuff is very promising for treating future cancers and other stuff that we can't determine the origins of, but it's pretty iron-clad that naturally developed bodily immunity better prepares populations for more general threats, such as variants of the current Covid virus.
Another concern is that the current virus is essentially morphing to get around a new type of more potent vaccine it hasn't seen before, which could result in a much stronger, foreign variants than our bodies are used to handling and combatting without any vaccines.
This is how we got superbugs and how MRSA became such a problem as people used more and more hand sanitizer and anti-bacterial soaps that killed both good and bad bacteria, leaving us even more susceptible to newer, stronger forms of bacteria.
Most times a scatter gun is better overall at controlling a threat than a sniper rifle.
All this does is drive traffic to him
I did some searching to make sure I didn't miss anything, and saw that even Snopes posted an article saying Joe Rogan made a false statement. The funniest part is the author of the Snopes article starts their explanation with:
"Whether or not someone should worry is a subjective decision, but any implication that young people are at no risk of serious COVID-19 complications is a fiction."
So they admit that his comments were subjective, which means they have no business fact checking his comments in the first place. But then they go on to imply that Rogan said young people were at no risk, per the second half of that opening sentence, which he didn't say at all.
How that trash-run website still has credibility with people is beyond me.
Those fuckers will have an aneurysm.
It doesn't matter what anyone says now the as the far left have been brainwashed for the last 14 months. The damage has been done to 40% of America. They are forever changed to believe the nonsense the powers that be have spewed for the last year.
There's still about 30% like the @YellowSnow's and @creepycoug who lean liberal but know it's still all a bunch of bullshit. They'll vote red come midterms when the left tries to push all in with absurdity.
Already seeing it locally. And, Christ, just look at the exodus of the blue states relative to Congressional re-alignment - and that was based on a census taken well before all the current fuckery.
Beautiful day here, low 70s, slight breeze air is crystal clear because it just rained the other day and the poor sap is out in his yard by himself in a mask. I know he is fully vaccinated but I asked him anyway, hey John, didn't you get your second shot a few weeks back?
My mom is fully vaccinated,, as far right as can be and she still sprays the bottom of shoes, wears a mask almost everywhere and uses sanitizer like its water.
There are many people who have a fear of germs or whom are a hypochondriac and their worry has just gone up 10 fold and it will likely never lower much. All because of the constant fear mongering combined with the promotion of wearing masks and distancing even when vaccinated.
Spewing horseshit like vaccinated people can spread just as easy is a fucking travesty
Fauci has much of America as his own personal gimp and needs to be stoned to death.
I'm usually a centrist politically but this changing the narrative bullshit has me despising the left so much that I am seriously considering not voting for any of them the next few elections. I'm usually about 60/40 for Republicans. Time to make it 100/0 and become someone I despise for a few elections. A party line voter.
Let the illegals cross over freely without a vaccination or a covid test on one hand and then scare much of America with fear mongering and restrictions on the other hand. The left has gone full retard
Inslee and moonpig Durkin are two of the worst and they both need to get covid and aids concurrently
Welcome to the club.