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Region's largest homebuilder lands a whopper: 32 acres in Woodinville
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For 1.75 million a ready to build with the pool in at the Woolsey Fire sight. Power, sewer, and water in. Looks like someone ran out of money
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I was in LA last week, staying in Santa Monica. Went up to Malibu and was surprised at the lower than expected cost of land as soon as you can’t drive a golf ball into the ocean. I have no doubt it’s a bitch to try to build, but I didn’t expect it to be cheaper than a comparable lot in the Portland area.RaceBannon said:For 1.75 million a ready to build with the pool in at the Woolsey Fire sight. Power, sewer, and water in. Looks like someone ran out of money
It’s honestly shocking to see PNW prices catching up to SoCal so quickly.
I remember having sticker shock 5-6 years ago when seeing what houses went for in the neighborhoods my friends grew up in, Yorba Linda or San Clemente. I looked last week and my first thought was “yup, that’s what a house like that costs.” My friend lives in the Temecula/Murrieta area, which she lovingly refers to as the armpit, and seeing housing costs there made me envious. $550k for a newish build 3,000 sq ft on a nice corner lot? Throw in another $50k and you get an extra bedroom and a pool? Might be worth the skin cancer. -
We're fullRatherBeBrewing said:
I was in LA last week, staying in Santa Monica. Went up to Malibu and was surprised at the lower than expected cost of land as soon as you can’t drive a golf ball into the ocean. I have no doubt it’s a bitch to try to build, but I didn’t expect it to be cheaper than a comparable lot in the Portland area.RaceBannon said:For 1.75 million a ready to build with the pool in at the Woolsey Fire sight. Power, sewer, and water in. Looks like someone ran out of money
It’s honestly shocking to see PNW prices catching up to SoCal so quickly.
I remember having sticker shock 5-6 years ago when seeing what houses went for in the neighborhoods my friends grew up in, Yorba Linda or San Clemente. I looked last week and my first thought was “yup, that’s what a house like that costs.” My friend lives in the Temecula/Murrieta area, which she lovingly refers to as the armpit, and seeing housing costs there made me envious. $550k for a newish build 3,000 sq ft on a nice corner lot? Throw in another $50k and you get an extra bedroom and a pool? Might be worth the skin cancer. -
WWJAD?
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Same thing but opposite direction. Because repeated motorcycle crashes have rendered my wrists worthless arthritic limp noodles, I can only hammer so many nails before it hurts too much, then I have to rest. Bought a 14 oz. titanium Stiletto. Can hammer four times as many now before my wrists are worthless.TurdBomber said:
Next trip to the hardware store, get an Estwing hammer of at least 24 oz, and toss that fucking Stanley your wife bought at Fred Meyer. Your ball-return will start with developing an appreciation for HQ tools, then executing upon it.dirtysouwfdawg said:
Seriously. I feel like a ball less bitch after reading this one.PurpleThrobber said:
I'm here for the hard wood hawt talk.RatherBeBrewing said:
I worked in the commodity industry in Switzerland. Lumber and gold mining were my desk. I wasn’t trading, I was logistical support. I’ve got to go to some depressing places for that noble cause, like “this was a GULAG previously” or the “donated canned condensed milk makes up most of the calorie intake for these people and you need two armed bodyguards” type of depressing.creepycoug said:
Transpo broseff. That's the dirty secret of the timber industry. Margins are thin (commodity thin) and timber is big and heavy and it is dangerous, laborious and somewhat capital intensive work to get it out the woods and to market.RatherBeBrewing said:I saw this and it reminded me of you @1to392831weretaken
Thanks for all the building advice. That is a super nice shop, very impressive. I was going to post a long response but it kept getting deleted, just count me impressed.
I had showed my friend your shop, we were literally talking shop, and he’s a plumber so he was zooming in to see your tankless water heater. I would really like radiant heat if/when I do a custom build. I wasn’t actually thinking about floors for it, more like wall units to complement the forced air. I haven’t done enough research on it but I’m a fan of radiator heating since my European days.
For lumber, unless you know someone at a still operating sawmill willing to sell direct (sometimes they will even with a small order) then your best bets are either:
1. Get a portable sawmill, learn to use it, find someone with saw worthy doug, do it on the spot, pay for kiln time or if you have the dry space and time to wait do it yourself. You can get a lot of board feet from a single days work.
2. Find someone with a portable sawmill, no shortage of those guys in the PNW and plenty of lists of them. It’s going to be way cheaper than retail, especially if you’re looking for more dimensions than just 2x4s.
If someone asked me whether to get a machining center or a portable sawmill, if the goal is making money, I’d say the sawmill by far. No one has asked me that yet. When I was a kid my project one summer was rebuilding the fence, 150 yards of fencing ranging from 4 ft tall to 15ft. Felled and milled most of it myself, fancy sawmill with a log lift helped - but if a dumb kid like me could do it so can anyone. There is so much good timber on private property in the PNW, it’s almost offensive to see the retail prices.
The 100 mile radius is the rule of thumb. And, you still have to get it out of the woods.
Anyway, there is no 100 mile rule. I have no idea where that comes from. Lumber is traded worldwide and the US imports 20% of the world supply of saw wood. Not just the obvious hardwood, but softwood (heh) as well. Transport of commodity products is cheaper than most people think, it’s about the labor and that isn’t the biggest cost to the consumer either. Coal from Kazakhstan is cheaper in West Virginia than the stuff mined 10 miles away.
It’s a fairly efficient process. They’ll go in and log some trails, then once they have space they bring in the machinery and knock down the trees. Hardwood is different, quantity isn’t the only goal since grade will have a massive impact on your bottom line. But the places where hardwood (I’m obviously not talking about oak) comes from have cheap labor. Even those dudes are fairly efficient, I’ve seen it firsthand.
I’m rambling. TLDR the price of lumber is set by supply and demand and tariffs more so than by production and transport costs.
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Couple things
You can't get to Malibu and the hills are worse
Woolsey was a big fire that burned from the valley to the sea. Expedited permits and approval to get it rebuilt
That 1.75 gets you a pool. You need 5 more to build the house
On the beach in Malibu as seen on TV starts with a 20 in front -
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