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Region's largest homebuilder lands a whopper: 32 acres in Woodinville
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My observations (just one retard at the lumber yard) suggest you have the direction of that causal relationship backward.dirtysouwfdawg said:You nailed it - The cost of materials due to supply and demand is pricing a lot of people out of new builds making existing homes that much more coveted and driving those costs to some stupid numbers.
The sign in front of our neighborhood, mentioning homes starting at $$, has changed since covid and now shows a 75k increase compared to this time LY.
Yet, they are almost sold out of lots and are currently working on 4 homes. Riches going to rich... bigger and newer homes in the back half of the neighborhood.
Home prices were already crazy when COVID took out the lumber mills. Shortages in supply led to the lumber prices skyrocketing. This all makes sense so far. What's weird now is that the lumber mills have been off to the races for some time now, inventory at the yard is sky high like I've never seen, and yet the price of materials has held firm at record high. Meanwhile, housing prices just keep climbing.
What this suggests me to is that it was the lumber shortage that caused the price spike, at the same time the RE shortage drove demand for lumber/materials. The price of materials tripled, yet people kept buying in huge volume. You're the mill/yard/etc., what is your motivation to lower the price back down? This is why I fear that these new lumber prices may be around for a lot longer. To me, it looks like it's the price of RE that's still driving construction demand, which is driving high materials cost. -
Obviously the brains of the outfit.RaceBannon said:I saw the Trademark show in 05 and immediately wanted to sell the Seattle home and start flipping. It was the coolest thing ever
I tell my wife we could go to some out of the way place like Aberdeen (true story) and buy in low, and start stacking modest profits until we move on to bigger markets
I'm not moving to fucking Aberdeen
The dream died. But lives on
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@RaceBannon true?dflea said:
Obviously the brains of the outfit.RaceBannon said:I saw the Trademark show in 05 and immediately wanted to sell the Seattle home and start flipping. It was the coolest thing ever
I tell my wife we could go to some out of the way place like Aberdeen (true story) and buy in low, and start stacking modest profits until we move on to bigger markets
I'm not moving to fucking Aberdeen
The dream died. But lives on -
Yep, demand has not diminished. People are doing all sorts of home projects now since they've been stuck at home.1to392831weretaken said:
My observations (just one retard at the lumber yard) suggest you have the direction of that causal relationship backward.dirtysouwfdawg said:You nailed it - The cost of materials due to supply and demand is pricing a lot of people out of new builds making existing homes that much more coveted and driving those costs to some stupid numbers.
The sign in front of our neighborhood, mentioning homes starting at $$, has changed since covid and now shows a 75k increase compared to this time LY.
Yet, they are almost sold out of lots and are currently working on 4 homes. Riches going to rich... bigger and newer homes in the back half of the neighborhood.
Home prices were already crazy when COVID took out the lumber mills. Shortages in supply led to the lumber prices skyrocketing. This all makes sense so far. What's weird now is that the lumber mills have been off to the races for some time now, inventory at the yard is sky high like I've never seen, and yet the price of materials has held firm at record high. Meanwhile, housing prices just keep climbing.
What this suggests me to is that it was the lumber shortage that caused the price spike, at the same time the RE shortage drove demand for lumber/materials. The price of materials tripled, yet people kept buying in huge volume. You're the mill/yard/etc., what is your motivation to lower the price back down? This is why I fear that these new lumber prices may be around for a lot longer. To me, it looks like it's the price of RE that's still driving construction demand, which is driving high materials cost. -
Just putting the finishing touches on new build #6.
The only thing I'm interested in putting up in the future is a tent. -
You in WA? I’m in central texas. For work we talk with builders, realtors, recently a lumber yard, etc.1to392831weretaken said:
My observations (just one retard at the lumber yard) suggest you have the direction of that causal relationship backward.dirtysouwfdawg said:You nailed it - The cost of materials due to supply and demand is pricing a lot of people out of new builds making existing homes that much more coveted and driving those costs to some stupid numbers.
The sign in front of our neighborhood, mentioning homes starting at $$, has changed since covid and now shows a 75k increase compared to this time LY.
Yet, they are almost sold out of lots and are currently working on 4 homes. Riches going to rich... bigger and newer homes in the back half of the neighborhood.
Home prices were already crazy when COVID took out the lumber mills. Shortages in supply led to the lumber prices skyrocketing. This all makes sense so far. What's weird now is that the lumber mills have been off to the races for some time now, inventory at the yard is sky high like I've never seen, and yet the price of materials has held firm at record high. Meanwhile, housing prices just keep climbing.
What this suggests me to is that it was the lumber shortage that caused the price spike, at the same time the RE shortage drove demand for lumber/materials. The price of materials tripled, yet people kept buying in huge volume. You're the mill/yard/etc., what is your motivation to lower the price back down? This is why I fear that these new lumber prices may be around for a lot longer. To me, it looks like it's the price of RE that's still driving construction demand, which is driving high materials cost.
Not sure if I’m just dumb in understanding what they tell me or its just different different here...
We really didn’t see RE hikes until after covid started. Not stupid ass prices like in parts of WA. We’re not Austin or Dallas. In the middle, no mans land. -
Yeah, I'm in Washington. There was already minimal inventory and sky high prices here before COVID. They've definitely gone up since, though.dirtysouwfdawg said:You in WA?...
But this is all totally besides the point seeing hows this is a Bosch dishwasher thread!...
Csb Tim: I started Corching my son's soccer team Monday even though everything I know about soccer comes from watching Lionel Messi highlights on YouTube. The field that we practice on is so potholed that it's an injury waiting to happen, so I thought I'd do my good deed for the day and fill in the worst ankle-twisters with some sand. Since I was at HD anyway to pick up baseboard and trim and scope out the dishwashers for @YellowSnow , I grabbed three bags of sand. Did I read the bags before loading 240 lbs. of sand on the cart? Hell no. "Topping Sand" sounded perfect!
Off to the practice field early to be a hero and fill in some holes. I rip open the bags and dump them into the wheelbarrow, push it over to the holes, and start shoveling it in. And it's REALLY fine! Like, wish I had a dust mask on fine. I'm starting to worry that this stuff isn't going to get the job done (as I'm finishing shoveling three bags of it all over the field) when I decide to actually read one of the empty bags to see what the hell it is: a mixture of graded sand and Portland cement. I had essentially just dumped concrete minus the aggregate all over a soccer field. I am a ratard.
So back to the store today to pick up some topsoil to shovel over the cement before it gets wet and hardens and kills somebody. This time to Lowe's because it's closer, but it also meant more dishwasher scouting (I like to call it DWSing. IWILTD). Here's some intel that's hopefully useful:
Of the flexy plastic integrated handle variety, this model was probably the best:
This handle is more integrated into the door panel, so I don't think it would actually break, but it still feels super flimsy, and the whole door panel flexes when you pull it open. Won't break, but still poor design.
Then there's this:
Noooooope. That whole upper part there is just an ABS plastic piece of shit held on by four screws and some plastic tabs. There's a decent seal on these doors, so it takes a bit of force to pull them open. A sliver of plastic will eventually fatigue and break.
The coup de grace:
Fuck this piece of shit. Not sure if this is my exact dishwasher, but it's the same door panel design. That upper fascia panel-slash-handle WILL break off.
Which brings me to the only of seven Bosch dishwashers I've seen in the last three days that I'd buy:
Uglier? Maybe. Less modern? I guess. But that handle didn't flex and didn't feel like it would rip off. I like the way Bosch dishwashers clean and how quiet they are, but there are some awfully shit design/materials decisions in almost every model. -
I have the top one. No problems with the handle thus far. Only been about 1.5 years though. Agree, seal is super tight and requires a pull. I like the machine and how it performs, as you said. I can see some cheapness here and there, but fuck does it clean dishes, the filter is easy to remove and clean and it doesn't melt plastic stuff because there's no heating element.1to392831weretaken said:
Yeah, I'm in Washington. There was already minimal inventory and sky high prices here before COVID. They've definitely gone up since, though.dirtysouwfdawg said:You in WA?...
But this is all totally besides the point seeing hows this is a Bosch dishwasher thread!...
Csb Tim: I started Corching my son's soccer team Monday even though everything I know about soccer comes from watching Lionel Messi highlights on YouTube. The field that we practice on is so potholed that it's an injury waiting to happen, so I thought I'd do my good deed for the day and fill in the worst ankle-twisters with some sand. Since I was at HD anyway to pick up baseboard and trim and scope out the dishwashers for @YellowSnow , I grabbed three bags of sand. Did I read the bags before loading 240 lbs. of sand on the cart? Hell no. "Topping Sand" sounded perfect!
Off to the practice field early to be a hero and fill in some holes. I rip open the bags and dump them into the wheelbarrow, push it over to the holes, and start shoveling it in. And it's REALLY fine! Like, wish I had a dust mask on fine. I'm starting to worry that this stuff isn't going to get the job done (as I'm finishing shoveling three bags of it all over the field) when I decide to actually read one of the empty bags to see what the hell it is: a mixture of graded sand and Portland cement. I had essentially just dumped concrete minus the aggregate all over a soccer field. I am a ratard.
So back to the store today to pick up some topsoil to shovel over the cement before it gets wet and hardens and kills somebody. This time to Lowe's because it's closer, but it also meant more dishwasher scouting (I like to call it DWSing. IWILTD). Here's some intel that's hopefully useful:
Of the flexy plastic integrated handle variety, this model was probably the best:
This handle is more integrated into the door panel, so I don't think it would actually break, but it still feels super flimsy, and the whole door panel flexes when you pull it open. Won't break, but still poor design.
Then there's this:
Noooooope. That whole upper part there is just an ABS plastic piece of shit held on by four screws and some plastic tabs. There's a decent seal on these doors, so it takes a bit of force to pull them open. A sliver of plastic will eventually fatigue and break.
The coup de grace:
Fuck this piece of shit. Not sure if this is my exact dishwasher, but it's the same door panel design. That upper fascia panel-slash-handle WILL break off.
Which brings me to the only of seven Bosch dishwashers I've seen in the last three days that I'd buy:
Uglier? Maybe. Less modern? I guess. But that handle didn't flex and didn't feel like it would rip off. I like the way Bosch dishwashers clean and how quiet they are, but there are some awfully shit design/materials decisions in almost every model.
Overall I'd buy another one based on my experience thus far. -
Came for the Horton, stayed for the Bosch.
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Miele. 15 years running strong. Service techs came out twice when my wife put the wrong rinser in. Never a service charge. Never.dirtysouwfdawg said:Came for the Horton, stayed for the Bosch.
Instead they thanked us for buying a Miele. Fucking Rocks.
