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  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Posts: 2,887
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    @TheKobeStopper

    "Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."


    Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...

    Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?

    What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.

    What's your stance?

    The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.

    You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.

    Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.

    If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.

    I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.

    January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”

    Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
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  • pawzpawz Posts: 9,555
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    Every single person that attacked the capitol and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings.


    SoutherndawgRoadTripRaceBannonPitchfork51
  • pawzpawz Posts: 9,555
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    @TheKobeStopper

    "Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."


    Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...

    Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?

    What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.

    What's your stance?

    The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.

    You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.

    Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.

    If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.

    I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.

    January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”

    Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
    I can respect this. However this sure isn't how you come across 95% of the tim.

    Inherent to Democracy is my number one issue - Liberty.

    "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine

    I get thinking Trump is a low life piece of shit, but how you can stand around and allow the abject silencing - by corporate oligarchs no less - of a fellow citizen is beyond me. Not only hypocritical, it's antithetical to the Democracy you hold dear.
    EsophagealFeces
  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Posts: 4,805
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    pawz said:

    @TheKobeStopper

    "Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."


    Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...

    Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?

    What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.

    What's your stance?

    The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.

    You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.

    Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.

    If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.

    I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.

    January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”

    Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
    I can respect this. However this sure isn't how you come across 95% of the tim.

    Inherent to Democracy is my number one issue - Liberty.

    "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine

    I get thinking Trump is a low life piece of shit, but how you can stand around and allow the abject silencing - by corporate oligarchs no less - of a fellow citizen is beyond me. Not only hypocritical, it's antithetical to the Democracy you hold dear.
    You should take an intro to con law course sometim
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  • pawzpawz Posts: 9,555
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    BearsWiin said:

    pawz said:

    @TheKobeStopper

    "Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."


    Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...

    Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?

    What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.

    What's your stance?

    The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.

    You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.

    Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.

    If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.

    I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.

    January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”

    Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
    I can respect this. However this sure isn't how you come across 95% of the tim.

    Inherent to Democracy is my number one issue - Liberty.

    "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine

    I get thinking Trump is a low life piece of shit, but how you can stand around and allow the abject silencing - by corporate oligarchs no less - of a fellow citizen is beyond me. Not only hypocritical, it's antithetical to the Democracy you hold dear.
    You should take an intro to con law course sometim
    You should just tell us all the important part.

  • @TheKobeStopper

    "Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."


    Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...

    Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?

    What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.

    What's your stance?

    January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”

    Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
    January 6th was a psyop you dumbfuck.



    The United States is not a democracy. Some will claim the United States is a Republic, but it's not that either. It's a technocratic, fascist corporation largely controlled by foreign actors.
  • SledogSledog Posts: 19,562
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    @TheKobeStopper

    "Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."


    Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...

    Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?

    What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.

    What's your stance?

    The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.

    You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.

    Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.

    If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.

    I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.

    January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”

    Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
    People cause violence. I have never seen a gun cause violence. Mines been next to the bed all night and it didn't do a fucking thing let alone be violent.

    Why are you lefty stooges always equipped with the IQ of a Q-tip?
  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Posts: 2,887
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    pawz said:

    @TheKobeStopper

    "Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."


    Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...

    Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?

    What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.

    What's your stance?

    The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.

    You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.

    Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.

    If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.

    I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.

    January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”

    Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
    I can respect this. However this sure isn't how you come across 95% of the tim.

    Inherent to Democracy is my number one issue - Liberty.

    "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine

    I get thinking Trump is a low life piece of shit, but how you can stand around and allow the abject silencing - by corporate oligarchs no less - of a fellow citizen is beyond me. Not only hypocritical, it's antithetical to the Democracy you hold dear.
    I’m going to try and breakdown my perspective.

    - I believe social media sites need to be allowed to have a tos

    - I believe article 230 must remain

    - I don’t see any ending to the Trumper led criticism that isn’t government oversight. It’s always hyper focused on the bans. It’s never “break up big tech”, it’s “we must protect free speech”.

    - I have heard, for over a decade, about how government sucks, business is the best, builders want to build good buildings, let the market decide and now, all of the sudden, let’s push super hard for government regulation?

    - I think libertarians are being used. I think Trumpers know this will result in the government stepping in and they want that. So if the pendulum swings back, they have that power.

    - We’re dealing with fascism. It’s going to be incredibly difficult to get through this. Many difficult decisions will be made and some of them will be hard to swallow. I try to always keep the Patriot Act in the back of my mind but I also think this threat is more dangerous than terrorism ever was. Freedom is difficult to balance, I hope we can avoid the same mistakes we’ve made before but I don’t know how it’s going to go.
    SledogPitchfork51RaceBannonNorthwestFreshHuskyInAZFire_Marshall_BillEsophagealFeces
  • SledogSledog Posts: 19,562
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    pawz said:

    @TheKobeStopper

    "Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."


    Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...

    Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?

    What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.

    What's your stance?

    The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.

    You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.

    Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.

    If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.

    I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.

    January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”

    Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
    I can respect this. However this sure isn't how you come across 95% of the tim.

    Inherent to Democracy is my number one issue - Liberty.

    "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine

    I get thinking Trump is a low life piece of shit, but how you can stand around and allow the abject silencing - by corporate oligarchs no less - of a fellow citizen is beyond me. Not only hypocritical, it's antithetical to the Democracy you hold dear.
    I’m going to try and breakdown my perspective.

    - I believe social media sites need to be allowed to have a tos

    - I believe article 230 must remain

    - I don’t see any ending to the Trumper led criticism that isn’t government oversight. It’s always hyper focused on the bans. It’s never “break up big tech”, it’s “we must protect free speech”.

    - I have heard, for over a decade, about how government sucks, business is the best, builders want to build good buildings, let the market decide and now, all of the sudden, let’s push super hard for government regulation?

    - I think libertarians are being used. I think Trumpers know this will result in the government stepping in and they want that. So if the pendulum swings back, they have that power.

    - We’re dealing with fascism. It’s going to be incredibly difficult to get through this. Many difficult decisions will be made and some of them will be hard to swallow. I try to always keep the Patriot Act in the back of my mind but I also think this threat is more dangerous than terrorism ever was. Freedom is difficult to balance, I hope we can avoid the same mistakes we’ve made before but I don’t know how it’s going to go.
    Nazi!
    TheKobeStopper
  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Posts: 2,887
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    Sledog said:

    pawz said:

    @TheKobeStopper

    "Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."


    Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...

    Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?

    What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.

    What's your stance?

    The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.

    You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.

    Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.

    If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.

    I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.

    January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”

    Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
    I can respect this. However this sure isn't how you come across 95% of the tim.

    Inherent to Democracy is my number one issue - Liberty.

    "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine

    I get thinking Trump is a low life piece of shit, but how you can stand around and allow the abject silencing - by corporate oligarchs no less - of a fellow citizen is beyond me. Not only hypocritical, it's antithetical to the Democracy you hold dear.
    I’m going to try and breakdown my perspective.

    - I believe social media sites need to be allowed to have a tos

    - I believe article 230 must remain

    - I don’t see any ending to the Trumper led criticism that isn’t government oversight. It’s always hyper focused on the bans. It’s never “break up big tech”, it’s “we must protect free speech”.

    - I have heard, for over a decade, about how government sucks, business is the best, builders want to build good buildings, let the market decide and now, all of the sudden, let’s push super hard for government regulation?

    - I think libertarians are being used. I think Trumpers know this will result in the government stepping in and they want that. So if the pendulum swings back, they have that power.

    - We’re dealing with fascism. It’s going to be incredibly difficult to get through this. Many difficult decisions will be made and some of them will be hard to swallow. I try to always keep the Patriot Act in the back of my mind but I also think this threat is more dangerous than terrorism ever was. Freedom is difficult to balance, I hope we can avoid the same mistakes we’ve made before but I don’t know how it’s going to go.
    Nazi!
    In case you were wondering why I don’t worry too much about how I come across.
    Sledog
  • Sledog said:

    pawz said:

    @TheKobeStopper

    "Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."


    Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...

    Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?

    What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.

    What's your stance?

    The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.

    You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.

    Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.

    If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.

    I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.

    January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”

    Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
    I can respect this. However this sure isn't how you come across 95% of the tim.

    Inherent to Democracy is my number one issue - Liberty.

    "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine

    I get thinking Trump is a low life piece of shit, but how you can stand around and allow the abject silencing - by corporate oligarchs no less - of a fellow citizen is beyond me. Not only hypocritical, it's antithetical to the Democracy you hold dear.
    I’m going to try and breakdown my perspective.

    - I believe social media sites need to be allowed to have a tos

    - I believe article 230 must remain

    - I don’t see any ending to the Trumper led criticism that isn’t government oversight. It’s always hyper focused on the bans. It’s never “break up big tech”, it’s “we must protect free speech”.

    - I have heard, for over a decade, about how government sucks, business is the best, builders want to build good buildings, let the market decide and now, all of the sudden, let’s push super hard for government regulation?

    - I think libertarians are being used. I think Trumpers know this will result in the government stepping in and they want that. So if the pendulum swings back, they have that power.

    - We’re dealing with fascism. It’s going to be incredibly difficult to get through this. Many difficult decisions will be made and some of them will be hard to swallow. I try to always keep the Patriot Act in the back of my mind but I also think this threat is more dangerous than terrorism ever was. Freedom is difficult to balance, I hope we can avoid the same mistakes we’ve made before but I don’t know how it’s going to go.
    Nazi!

    pawz said:

    @TheKobeStopper

    "Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."


    Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...

    Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?

    What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.

    What's your stance?

    The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.

    You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.

    Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.

    If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.

    I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.

    January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”

    Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
    I can respect this. However this sure isn't how you come across 95% of the tim.

    Inherent to Democracy is my number one issue - Liberty.

    "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine

    I get thinking Trump is a low life piece of shit, but how you can stand around and allow the abject silencing - by corporate oligarchs no less - of a fellow citizen is beyond me. Not only hypocritical, it's antithetical to the Democracy you hold dear.
    I’m going to try and breakdown my perspective.

    - I believe social media sites need to be allowed to have a tos

    - I believe article 230 must remain

    - I don’t see any ending to the Trumper led criticism that isn’t government oversight. It’s always hyper focused on the bans. It’s never “break up big tech”, it’s “we must protect free speech”.

    - I have heard, for over a decade, about how government sucks, business is the best, builders want to build good buildings, let the market decide and now, all of the sudden, let’s push super hard for government regulation?

    - I think libertarians are being used. I think Trumpers know this will result in the government stepping in and they want that. So if the pendulum swings back, they have that power.

    - We’re dealing with fascism. It’s going to be incredibly difficult to get through this. Many difficult decisions will be made and some of them will be hard to swallow. I try to always keep the Patriot Act in the back of my mind but I also think this threat is more dangerous than terrorism ever was. Freedom is difficult to balance, I hope we can avoid the same mistakes we’ve made before but I don’t know how it’s going to go.
    Your side is completely willing to throw away all freedom so that they dont hear mean things on the tv.
    And the regular righties on here wonder why the lefties don’t try hard to engage in honest debate. These moronic kinds of statements bog down this whole bored and sap desire for trying real debate.
    RaceBannonPurpleThrobberTheKobeStopperSledogNorthwestFreshHuskyInAZSoutherndawgPitchfork51
  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Posts: 2,887
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    pawz said:

    @TheKobeStopper

    "Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."


    Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...

    Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?

    What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.

    What's your stance?

    The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.

    You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.

    Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.

    If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.

    I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.

    January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”

    Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
    I can respect this. However this sure isn't how you come across 95% of the tim.

    Inherent to Democracy is my number one issue - Liberty.

    "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine

    I get thinking Trump is a low life piece of shit, but how you can stand around and allow the abject silencing - by corporate oligarchs no less - of a fellow citizen is beyond me. Not only hypocritical, it's antithetical to the Democracy you hold dear.
    I’m going to try and breakdown my perspective.

    - I believe social media sites need to be allowed to have a tos

    - I believe article 230 must remain

    - I don’t see any ending to the Trumper led criticism that isn’t government oversight. It’s always hyper focused on the bans. It’s never “break up big tech”, it’s “we must protect free speech”.

    - I have heard, for over a decade, about how government sucks, business is the best, builders want to build good buildings, let the market decide and now, all of the sudden, let’s push super hard for government regulation?

    - I think libertarians are being used. I think Trumpers know this will result in the government stepping in and they want that. So if the pendulum swings back, they have that power.

    - We’re dealing with fascism. It’s going to be incredibly difficult to get through this. Many difficult decisions will be made and some of them will be hard to swallow. I try to always keep the Patriot Act in the back of my mind but I also think this threat is more dangerous than terrorism ever was. Freedom is difficult to balance, I hope we can avoid the same mistakes we’ve made before but I don’t know how it’s going to go.
    Your side is completely willing to throw away all freedom so that they dont hear mean things on the tv.
    With Trump bitching out and calling to end violence today, the culture war is going to be the only war you’re soldiers in. Hopefully you can save Christmas.
    SledogPitchfork51
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Posts: 25,820
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    pawz said:

    @TheKobeStopper

    "Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."


    Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...

    Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?

    What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.

    What's your stance?

    The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.

    You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.

    Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.

    If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.

    I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.

    January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”

    Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
    I can respect this. However this sure isn't how you come across 95% of the tim.

    Inherent to Democracy is my number one issue - Liberty.

    "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine

    I get thinking Trump is a low life piece of shit, but how you can stand around and allow the abject silencing - by corporate oligarchs no less - of a fellow citizen is beyond me. Not only hypocritical, it's antithetical to the Democracy you hold dear.
    I’m going to try and breakdown my perspective.

    - I believe social media sites need to be allowed to have a tos

    - I believe article 230 must remain

    - I don’t see any ending to the Trumper led criticism that isn’t government oversight. It’s always hyper focused on the bans. It’s never “break up big tech”, it’s “we must protect free speech”.

    - I have heard, for over a decade, about how government sucks, business is the best, builders want to build good buildings, let the market decide and now, all of the sudden, let’s push super hard for government regulation?

    - I think libertarians are being used. I think Trumpers know this will result in the government stepping in and they want that. So if the pendulum swings back, they have that power.

    - We’re dealing with fascism. It’s going to be incredibly difficult to get through this. Many difficult decisions will be made and some of them will be hard to swallow. I try to always keep the Patriot Act in the back of my mind but I also think this threat is more dangerous than terrorism ever was. Freedom is difficult to balance, I hope we can avoid the same mistakes we’ve made before but I don’t know how it’s going to go.
    Your side is completely willing to throw away all freedom so that they dont hear mean things on the tv.
    With Trump bitching out and calling to end violence today, the culture war is going to be the only war you’re soldiers in. Hopefully you can save Christmas.
    Adding religious bigotry to the playbook, too, @TheKobeStopper ?
    SoutherndawgEsophagealFecesPitchfork51
  • NorthwestFreshNorthwestFresh Posts: 6,625
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    BearsWiin said:

    pawz said:

    @TheKobeStopper

    "Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."


    Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...

    Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?

    What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.

    What's your stance?

    The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.

    You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.

    Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.

    If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.

    I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.

    January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”

    Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
    I can respect this. However this sure isn't how you come across 95% of the tim.

    Inherent to Democracy is my number one issue - Liberty.

    "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine

    I get thinking Trump is a low life piece of shit, but how you can stand around and allow the abject silencing - by corporate oligarchs no less - of a fellow citizen is beyond me. Not only hypocritical, it's antithetical to the Democracy you hold dear.
    You should take an intro to con law course sometim
    You should take a cooking class

    Sledog said:

    pawz said:

    @TheKobeStopper

    "Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."


    Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...

    Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?

    What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.

    What's your stance?

    The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.

    You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.

    Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.

    If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.

    I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.

    January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”

    Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
    I can respect this. However this sure isn't how you come across 95% of the tim.

    Inherent to Democracy is my number one issue - Liberty.

    "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine

    I get thinking Trump is a low life piece of shit, but how you can stand around and allow the abject silencing - by corporate oligarchs no less - of a fellow citizen is beyond me. Not only hypocritical, it's antithetical to the Democracy you hold dear.
    I’m going to try and breakdown my perspective.

    - I believe social media sites need to be allowed to have a tos

    - I believe article 230 must remain

    - I don’t see any ending to the Trumper led criticism that isn’t government oversight. It’s always hyper focused on the bans. It’s never “break up big tech”, it’s “we must protect free speech”.

    - I have heard, for over a decade, about how government sucks, business is the best, builders want to build good buildings, let the market decide and now, all of the sudden, let’s push super hard for government regulation?

    - I think libertarians are being used. I think Trumpers know this will result in the government stepping in and they want that. So if the pendulum swings back, they have that power.

    - We’re dealing with fascism. It’s going to be incredibly difficult to get through this. Many difficult decisions will be made and some of them will be hard to swallow. I try to always keep the Patriot Act in the back of my mind but I also think this threat is more dangerous than terrorism ever was. Freedom is difficult to balance, I hope we can avoid the same mistakes we’ve made before but I don’t know how it’s going to go.
    Nazi!

    pawz said:

    @TheKobeStopper

    "Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."


    Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...

    Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?

    What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.

    What's your stance?

    The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.

    You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.

    Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.

    If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.

    I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.

    January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”

    Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
    I can respect this. However this sure isn't how you come across 95% of the tim.

    Inherent to Democracy is my number one issue - Liberty.

    "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine

    I get thinking Trump is a low life piece of shit, but how you can stand around and allow the abject silencing - by corporate oligarchs no less - of a fellow citizen is beyond me. Not only hypocritical, it's antithetical to the Democracy you hold dear.
    I’m going to try and breakdown my perspective.

    - I believe social media sites need to be allowed to have a tos

    - I believe article 230 must remain

    - I don’t see any ending to the Trumper led criticism that isn’t government oversight. It’s always hyper focused on the bans. It’s never “break up big tech”, it’s “we must protect free speech”.

    - I have heard, for over a decade, about how government sucks, business is the best, builders want to build good buildings, let the market decide and now, all of the sudden, let’s push super hard for government regulation?

    - I think libertarians are being used. I think Trumpers know this will result in the government stepping in and they want that. So if the pendulum swings back, they have that power.

    - We’re dealing with fascism. It’s going to be incredibly difficult to get through this. Many difficult decisions will be made and some of them will be hard to swallow. I try to always keep the Patriot Act in the back of my mind but I also think this threat is more dangerous than terrorism ever was. Freedom is difficult to balance, I hope we can avoid the same mistakes we’ve made before but I don’t know how it’s going to go.
    Your side is completely willing to throw away all freedom so that they dont hear mean things on the tv.
    And the regular righties on here wonder why the lefties don’t try hard to engage in honest debate. These moronic kinds of statements bog down this whole bored and sap desire for trying real debate.
    You didn't need an excuse to do that. Started with your first post and got worse

    Fuck off
    First power here that’s not a meme.

    But yeah, he’s here for debate.

    https://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/comment/1397746#Comment_1397746
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    "Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."


    Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...

    Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?

    What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.

    What's your stance?

    The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.

    You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.

    Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.

    If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.

    I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.

    January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”


    Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.

    But you do show up at a protest and accidentally end up with bricks, mortars, concrete to smear on a back door to remove an exit, etc. etc. etc.
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