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Sir Mells, 2022 3* DT, Henderson (Liberty), NV (Considering options)
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They matter for the same reason stars do. The teams with the most NFL players are typically the best teams. Shocking concept, I know.lawsandl said:
Big NFL classes only matter if they result in better recruiting.RaceBannon said:
All I see from UW football is shit about all our? NFL guyslawsandl said:Oregon got materially better from 2018 to 2019 under Mario. They regressed last year after what was essentially two draft classes gone and no offseason regiment. Everyone but Husky fans see the writing on the wall that large NFL draft classes will become the norm. We don’t need 82 composites to turn into draft picks to be a developmental program.
I don't give a fuck about them I sure don't give a fuck about ducks
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Sure, there’s a correlation. My point is that Oregon could win a National Championship and I couldn’t care less about the number of NFL picks. The only reason I care is for the recruiting advantage.RoadDawg55 said:
They matter for the same reason stars do. The teams with the most NFL players are typically the best teams. Shocking concept, I know.lawsandl said:
Big NFL classes only matter if they result in better recruiting.RaceBannon said:
All I see from UW football is shit about all our? NFL guyslawsandl said:Oregon got materially better from 2018 to 2019 under Mario. They regressed last year after what was essentially two draft classes gone and no offseason regiment. Everyone but Husky fans see the writing on the wall that large NFL draft classes will become the norm. We don’t need 82 composites to turn into draft picks to be a developmental program.
I don't give a fuck about them I sure don't give a fuck about ducks
Except Herbert
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I'm not arguing that Oregon hasn't developed some people well. I was simply pointing out that Breeze is not the right person to evidence it.ntxduck said:
Well if we’re looking at guys who outperformed their recruiting rankings with their draft position;dnc said:
Ranked in the 200s as a recruit. Drafted in the 200s.lawsandl said:
Did he get materially better at Oregon?Tequilla said:
You lost me when you leveraged Brady Breeze’s slow asslawsandl said:
Johnny Johnson had around 750 yards in 2019. The year before he dropped everything. He’s preseason all-pac selection.Tequilla said:
Alex Forsyth was 2nd team all-pac last year after nothing. Troy Dye looked way better last year. Jamal Hill put it together at the end of the year last year. Breeze was headed no where and blew up. Popo Aumavae improved over the 2019 season. DJ James improved last season.
Spring game surprise was Dawson Jaramillo and Treven Ma’ae. They were markedly better.
Good Luck.
It’s a win for Oregon development but not a big one by any means.
Herbert. 3*, 659 nationally.
Sewell 4*, 57 nationally
Holland 4*, 165 nationally
Lemieux, 3* 498 nationally
Dye, 3*, 595 nationally
KT was the #2 player nationally and will go around there—but if you’ve watched him he was basically invisible the first 3/4 of his freshmen year before a switch flipped and he started to get it. And was vastly improved last “season”.
I don’t really even like this metric because the last couple of years (and going forward) Oregon isn’t really taking any sub 400 guys. Feels like by this standard they’re being punished for recruiting too well. If you take 18/25 sub 400 guys of course you’re going to have more kids who get drafted above their recruit ranking—because those kids are more likely to be undersized coming out of hs and turn into late bloomers. But I rather be the program pulling in 18/25 top 250 guys.
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Johnny Johnson averaged 57.7 yards per game as a junior.lawsandl said:
He averaged 38.1 yards per game as a senior.
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Those are pretty meaningless stats. Try and dig a little deeper. I am not saying he’s a lock for 1st team all-pac. He’s a good receiver and he wasn’t.dnc said:
Johnny Johnson averaged 57.7 yards per game as a junior.lawsandl said:
He averaged 38.1 yards per game as a senior.
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He's not getting a better offer than Oregon and he's no longer offered by Washington.ntxduck said:
5% chance he’s still committed by OctoberBeerThirty said:He seems like a good fit for the Ducks. Total flake.
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We agree 38 yards per game is pretty meaningless.lawsandl said:
Those are pretty meaningless stats. Try and dig a little deeper. I am not saying he’s a lock for 1st team all-pac. He’s a good receiver and he wasn’t.dnc said:
Johnny Johnson averaged 57.7 yards per game as a junior.lawsandl said:
He averaged 38.1 yards per game as a senior.
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Last season was a mulligan.dnc said:
We agree 38 yards per game is pretty meaningless.lawsandl said:
Those are pretty meaningless stats. Try and dig a little deeper. I am not saying he’s a lock for 1st team all-pac. He’s a good receiver and he wasn’t.dnc said:
Johnny Johnson averaged 57.7 yards per game as a junior.lawsandl said:
He averaged 38.1 yards per game as a senior.
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Tell that to your feathered frenslawsandl said:
Last season was a mulligan.dnc said:
We agree 38 yards per game is pretty meaningless.lawsandl said:
Those are pretty meaningless stats. Try and dig a little deeper. I am not saying he’s a lock for 1st team all-pac. He’s a good receiver and he wasn’t.dnc said:
Johnny Johnson averaged 57.7 yards per game as a junior.lawsandl said:
He averaged 38.1 yards per game as a senior.
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You turned this thread into a mulligan.lawsandl said:
Last season was a mulligan.dnc said:
We agree 38 yards per game is pretty meaningless.lawsandl said:
Those are pretty meaningless stats. Try and dig a little deeper. I am not saying he’s a lock for 1st team all-pac. He’s a good receiver and he wasn’t.dnc said:
Johnny Johnson averaged 57.7 yards per game as a junior.lawsandl said:
He averaged 38.1 yards per game as a senior.
Whoever named him preseason all-pac is a dumbass.
Speaking of mulligans. Went putt putt with the kiddos and TOF. I fucking lost to TOF by one stroke. I honestly wanted to cut myself... more than usual.
Similar to how I feel after reading this aidz. It’s up and down, right? -
Who the fuck cares? He’s awful
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Cringe. $5 that kid blocked him after that.bananasnblondes said:
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We need to stand up to bullies like you and @dncbananasnblondes said:
This needed to be bumpedEdwin_Bambino said:
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I never blame the kids for choosing a stalker free educationbananasnblondes said:
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Turns out I was very wrong about Oregon’s development. I apologize to all I have hurt with my ignorance.
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Lol, it’s a 5 year study and from the prior staff. I agree that development was bad.dnc said:Turns out I was very wrong about Oregon’s development. I apologize to all I have hurt with my ignorance.
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I am still reeling from Maldonado, that flip screwed us for years. My husky friends still laugh about that one. So not sure what to think about this.
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I agree with this. Embarrassing.dnc said:Turns out I was very wrong about Oregon’s development. I apologize to all I have hurt with my ignorance.
Oregon was really bad at scouting Top247 recruits from 2011-15 and didn’t develop great for the 12-15 classes.
Someone should show this to Mario Cristobal’s recruits. They’ll be devastated to learn that Mark Helfrich failed to develop Pharaoh Brown, Darren Carrington, Evan Baylis, and Tyree Robinson into NFL Draft picks. Under this formula Pharaoh Brown, a two time first team All Pac-12 selection and current NFL starter, hurts Oregon’s development ranking. Should have developed the ligaments in his leg better. If Darren Carrington had been drafted he would still hurt Oregon’s ranking, but it would help Utah’s under this methodology.
Personally, I though that Bralon Addison and Byron Marshall were damn good players, but Cristobal failed to develop their height and 40 times. I don’t think S.Mells considered that enough. My father won several Beet Bowls and I played D1 K/P Large Earth Conference. DM me and I’ll help you become a Man-Duck.
How different would this look for Top247 players who played for Cristobal as HC? Up to date it would be either 83% or 71% depending on whether you count Taj Griffin and the three games he played in. That number will have to include Tyler Shuck as a negative, even if he gets drafted first overall. Royce Freeman not included since his fatass only gave a motivational speech.
I wonder how Washington’s Top247 recruits over that time span stack up in the draft? Marquis Spiker, Salvon Ahmed, Henry Hulabaloo, Milo Eifler, Ty Jones, Henry Roberts, Jacob Sirmon, Austin Osborne, Austin Joyner, Trey Lowe, Jack Browning, Bening Potato? Certainly those guys have been, or will be, drafted? -
To bad ONLY Oregon lost people to the draft, and had their offseason programs messed up from Covid. I heard they would have beat the beavs if they didn't have such an unfair disadvantage.lawsandl said:Oregon got materially better from 2018 to 2019 under Mario. They regressed last year after what was essentially two draft classes gone and no offseason regiment. Everyone but Husky fans see the writing on the wall that large NFL draft classes will become the norm. We don’t need 82 composites to turn into draft picks to be a developmental program.
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They did win a Rose Bowl, so...Sources said: -
It doesn't take a rocket science to figure out the uneven effect of covid and how it would create parity in the league. Guess what? I am not extrapolating too much from UW either. I expect regression back to the mean in 2021. Although the 6th year senior effect will be interesting.ROOFDOOGINS said:
To bad ONLY Oregon lost people to the draft, and had their offseason programs messed up from Covid. I heard they would have beat the beavs if they didn't have such an unfair disadvantage.lawsandl said:Oregon got materially better from 2018 to 2019 under Mario. They regressed last year after what was essentially two draft classes gone and no offseason regiment. Everyone but Husky fans see the writing on the wall that large NFL draft classes will become the norm. We don’t need 82 composites to turn into draft picks to be a developmental program.
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Jesus NOC
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4-3. Oregon State. Cal. Iowa State. Fuck off faggot.RatherBeBrewing said:
I agree with this. Embarrassing.dnc said:Turns out I was very wrong about Oregon’s development. I apologize to all I have hurt with my ignorance.
Oregon was really bad at scouting Top247 recruits from 2011-15 and didn’t develop great for the 12-15 classes.
Someone should show this to Mario Cristobal’s recruits. They’ll be devastated to learn that Mark Helfrich failed to develop Pharaoh Brown, Darren Carrington, Evan Baylis, and Tyree Robinson into NFL Draft picks. Under this formula Pharaoh Brown, a two time first team All Pac-12 selection and current NFL starter, hurts Oregon’s development ranking. Should have developed the ligaments in his leg better. If Darren Carrington had been drafted he would still hurt Oregon’s ranking, but it would help Utah’s under this methodology.
Personally, I though that Bralon Addison and Byron Marshall were damn good players, but Cristobal failed to develop their height and 40 times. I don’t think S.Mells considered that enough. My father won several Beet Bowls and I played D1 K/P Large Earth Conference. DM me and I’ll help you become a Man-Duck.
How different would this look for Top247 players who played for Cristobal as HC? Up to date it would be either 83% or 71% depending on whether you count Taj Griffin and the three games he played in. That number will have to include Tyler Shuck as a negative, even if he gets drafted first overall. Royce Freeman not included since his fatass only gave a motivational speech.
I wonder how Washington’s Top247 recruits over that time span stack up in the draft? Marquis Spiker, Salvon Ahmed, Henry Hulabaloo, Milo Eifler, Ty Jones, Henry Roberts, Jacob Sirmon, Austin Osborne, Austin Joyner, Trey Lowe, Jack Browning, Bening Potato? Certainly those guys have been, or will be, drafted? -
You can't make this stuff up...lawsandl said:
It doesn't take a rocket science to figure out the uneven effect of covid and how it would create parity in the league. Guess what? I am not extrapolating too much from UW either. I expect regression back to the mean in 2021. Although the 6th year senior effect will be interesting.ROOFDOOGINS said:
To bad ONLY Oregon lost people to the draft, and had their offseason programs messed up from Covid. I heard they would have beat the beavs if they didn't have such an unfair disadvantage.lawsandl said:Oregon got materially better from 2018 to 2019 under Mario. They regressed last year after what was essentially two draft classes gone and no offseason regiment. Everyone but Husky fans see the writing on the wall that large NFL draft classes will become the norm. We don’t need 82 composites to turn into draft picks to be a developmental program.
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This thread is delivering
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Hi there.dnc said:Turns out I was very wrong about Oregon’s development. I apologize to all I have hurt with my ignorance.
Please to be taking this elsewhere.
Elite recruit development shit to do with Sir Mells. -
I am an analyst not a word guy. Guilty as charged on the poor grammar.1to392831weretaken said:
You can't make this stuff up...lawsandl said:
It doesn't take a rocket science to figure out the uneven effect of covid and how it would create parity in the league. Guess what? I am not extrapolating too much from UW either. I expect regression back to the mean in 2021. Although the 6th year senior effect will be interesting.ROOFDOOGINS said:
To bad ONLY Oregon lost people to the draft, and had their offseason programs messed up from Covid. I heard they would have beat the beavs if they didn't have such an unfair disadvantage.lawsandl said:Oregon got materially better from 2018 to 2019 under Mario. They regressed last year after what was essentially two draft classes gone and no offseason regiment. Everyone but Husky fans see the writing on the wall that large NFL draft classes will become the norm. We don’t need 82 composites to turn into draft picks to be a developmental program.
Also, development is on topic. Mells is clearly a developmental prospect.
It’s fair game.
