2019 Stanford
Do you think last year’s Stanford game was the tipping point for Jimmy lake? They had absolutely no business winning that game and yet ROTA all over UW with guys they just pulled out of a chem lab to try and block. Jimmy had no answers. Block forward/run forward....let’s see if you can stop it.
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Yes I think Lake is making the classic mistake of "what is hardest for me to defend against = what kind of offense we need" when what he doesn't realize is that he's not building an offense to beat his defense, he's building an offense to beat Pac12 defenses and Pac12 defenses aren't near as good as defending the pass as his defense.
TL;DR: *Gurgle* -
THIS.dnc said:Yes I think Lake is making the classic mistake of "what is hardest for me to defend against = what kind of offense we need" when what he doesn't realize is that he's not building an offense to beat his defense, he's building an offense to beat Pac12 defenses and Pac12 defenses aren't near as good as defending the pass as his defense.
TL;DR: *Gurgle* -
Jimmy is a little smarter then you idiots. They aren't rolling out a power run scheme every week. He hates offenses that target his defenses weakness. The offense is going to attack each teams weakness.
Complete opposite of Petersen's "who cares who we play, we are just going to do what we do best." -
ThisBread said:Jimmy is a little smarter then you idiots. They aren't rolling out a power run scheme every week. He hates offenses that target his defenses weakness. The offense is going to attack each teams weakness.
Complete opposite of Petersen's "who cares who we play, we are just going to do what we do best."
While it is possible to be worse than Peterson I don't see it happening
By the time Pete let I was so over him it wasn't funny
And by the way the TSIO guys have some explaining to do as well. Blue chips my ass
Get me football players who make football plays. Not 7 on 7 all stars -
You might be right.Bread said:Jimmy is a little smarter then you idiots. They aren't rolling out a power run scheme every week. He hates offenses that target his defenses weakness. The offense is going to attack each teams weakness.
Complete opposite of Petersen's "who cares who we play, we are just going to do what we do best."
If all we can score is 27 points by attacking OSU's weaknesses I have a lot of questions.
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Osbourne and Spiker are the two best WR’s on the West. Ty Jones will be incredible. You’re gonna miss some when all you really have is a 5 min Hudl of these kids, but their WR evals were terrible.RaceBannon said:
ThisBread said:Jimmy is a little smarter then you idiots. They aren't rolling out a power run scheme every week. He hates offenses that target his defenses weakness. The offense is going to attack each teams weakness.
Complete opposite of Petersen's "who cares who we play, we are just going to do what we do best."
While it is possible to be worse than Peterson I don't see it happening
By the time Pete let I was so over him it wasn't funny
And by the way the TSIO guys have some explaining to do as well. Blue chips my ass
Get me football players who make football plays. Not 7 on 7 all stars -
I think for the first game 1) of the year that's been delayed 3 times 2) of Jimmy's hc career 3) game for the qb, they just wanted a win without weird cal storm stuff happening.
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Its a crap shoot. Ngta and Gee Jr may never do anything at Clemson and tOSU eitherRoadDawg55 said:
Osbourne and Spiker are the two best WR’s on the West. Ty Jones will be incredible. You’re gonna miss some when all you really have is a 5 min Hudl of these kids, but their WR evals were terrible.RaceBannon said:
ThisBread said:Jimmy is a little smarter then you idiots. They aren't rolling out a power run scheme every week. He hates offenses that target his defenses weakness. The offense is going to attack each teams weakness.
Complete opposite of Petersen's "who cares who we play, we are just going to do what we do best."
While it is possible to be worse than Peterson I don't see it happening
By the time Pete let I was so over him it wasn't funny
And by the way the TSIO guys have some explaining to do as well. Blue chips my ass
Get me football players who make football plays. Not 7 on 7 all stars
Every year there is a fresh crop of 6 foot 4 guys that run a 4.4. -
Agreed. Its not a video game. They are all young people who need to make choices every day to get better and sometimes they dont. Or they have a talent ceiling. So many things can happen its not like you hit the "coach them up" button and they get magically better.RaceBannon said:
Its a crap shoot. Ngta and Gee Jr may never do anything at Clemson and tOSU eitherRoadDawg55 said:
Osbourne and Spiker are the two best WR’s on the West. Ty Jones will be incredible. You’re gonna miss some when all you really have is a 5 min Hudl of these kids, but their WR evals were terrible.RaceBannon said:
ThisBread said:Jimmy is a little smarter then you idiots. They aren't rolling out a power run scheme every week. He hates offenses that target his defenses weakness. The offense is going to attack each teams weakness.
Complete opposite of Petersen's "who cares who we play, we are just going to do what we do best."
While it is possible to be worse than Peterson I don't see it happening
By the time Pete let I was so over him it wasn't funny
And by the way the TSIO guys have some explaining to do as well. Blue chips my ass
Get me football players who make football plays. Not 7 on 7 all stars
Every year there is a fresh crop of 6 foot 4 guys that run a 4.4. -
1) the coaches think they're smarter than everyone else (like Shaw) and want to go counter to what everyone is doing.
2) they hate interceptions to the point of not wanting to pass unless they have to.
There's some analytics going on here obviously. It's just tough to get through this conference playing that style and hoping your kicker can win you games at the end or the other team gives up a critical turnover and you don't.
That played out last weekend where a block punt almost cost us a game. You can only mitigate the chaos so much. -
Every team UW has lost to the last 5 years were all strong running teams. Even look at Oregon last year, Cristobal just kept handing it off when Herbert was trying to throw the game away.dnc said:Yes I think Lake is making the classic mistake of "what is hardest for me to defend against = what kind of offense we need" when what he doesn't realize is that he's not building an offense to beat his defense, he's building an offense to beat Pac12 defenses and Pac12 defenses aren't near as good as defending the pass as his defense.
TL;DR: *Gurgle*
Bama, tOSU, Penn St., Stanford, Oregon...They all could run power when they wanted to and play keep away if need be.
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Hurts was a raw freshmen in the playoff game. If Bama didn't have the rumbling backs they could have been in trouble had Jake not bailed them outKingdome_Urinals said:
Every team UW has lost to the last 5 years were all strong running teams. Even look at Oregon last year, Cristobal just kept handing it off when Herbert was trying to throw the game away.dnc said:Yes I think Lake is making the classic mistake of "what is hardest for me to defend against = what kind of offense we need" when what he doesn't realize is that he's not building an offense to beat his defense, he's building an offense to beat Pac12 defenses and Pac12 defenses aren't near as good as defending the pass as his defense.
TL;DR: *Gurgle*
Bama, tOSU, Penn St., Stanford, Oregon...They all could run power when they wanted to and play keep away if need be.
UW could have beat Hurts -
Consider that three different passes were dropped in the endzone. It's not like Jimmy handed off every play, Ty Jones, and Odunze botched it. So did Bynum on third down, etc..dnc said:
You might be right.Bread said:Jimmy is a little smarter then you idiots. They aren't rolling out a power run scheme every week. He hates offenses that target his defenses weakness. The offense is going to attack each teams weakness.
Complete opposite of Petersen's "who cares who we play, we are just going to do what we do best."
If all we can score is 27 points by attacking OSU's weaknesses I have a lot of questions.
Those miscues do not owe to a "running philosophy." They owe to 4 star WR's fucking up at their jobs. -
To me, it's as simple as this:
If Alabama or Ohio State or Clemson East were to pop into Microwave Burrito Stadium to face off against the mighty Oregon State Babushkas, is their offensive philosophy to target OSU's weakness on defense? Or is their philosophy to do whatever the fuck they want because they're that much better? I'm betting Alabama would roll in there and pass for 400 yards rather easily.
If I were to pick a fistfight with a crippled eight year old girl, I would wail away in any manner I please. Avoiding her left side because her right hook is weaker would be... pathetic. -
tOSU and Penn State absolutely beat us with the pass.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Every team UW has lost to the last 5 years were all strong running teams. Even look at Oregon last year, Cristobal just kept handing it off when Herbert was trying to throw the game away.dnc said:Yes I think Lake is making the classic mistake of "what is hardest for me to defend against = what kind of offense we need" when what he doesn't realize is that he's not building an offense to beat his defense, he's building an offense to beat Pac12 defenses and Pac12 defenses aren't near as good as defending the pass as his defense.
TL;DR: *Gurgle*
Bama, tOSU, Penn St., Stanford, Oregon...They all could run power when they wanted to and play keep away if need be.
The others I agree.
And again this isn't coincidence and it isn't because running is a superior strategy. It's because our defense is designed to stop the pass. 2 down lineman and 5 DB's in base is highly unusual, and it's been highly effective overall. Jimmy understands innately that the passing game is the most valuable part of the game, that's why he (and K) attempt to take it away (and basically outside of the Penn State and tOSU games, succeed) from other team's offenses first.
It's just fascinating that he doesn't carry that same mindset to the offensive side of the ball. -
I wasn't a big fan of your offseason posts but you and I have seen eye to eye the last few days for sure. Good chit man.1to392831weretaken said:To me, it's as simple as this:
If Alabama or Ohio State or Clemson East were to pop into Microwave Burrito Stadium to face off against the mighty Oregon State Babushkas, is their offensive philosophy to target OSU's weakness on defense? Or is their philosophy to do whatever the fuck they want because they're that much better? I'm betting Alabama would roll in there and pass for 400 yards rather easily.
If I were to pick a fistfight with a crippled eight year old girl, I would wail away in any manner I please. Avoiding her left side because her right hook is weaker would be... pathetic. -
We ran 51 times and threw 24 (and those numbers aren't skewed by sacks as there weren't any). And it's not like we had a huge lead and were sitting on the ball to kill clock half the game either. The game plan was to run twice as much as we passed.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Consider that three different passes were dropped in the endzone. It's not like Jimmy handed off every play, Ty Jones, and Odunze botched it. So did Bynum on third down, etc..dnc said:
You might be right.Bread said:Jimmy is a little smarter then you idiots. They aren't rolling out a power run scheme every week. He hates offenses that target his defenses weakness. The offense is going to attack each teams weakness.
Complete opposite of Petersen's "who cares who we play, we are just going to do what we do best."
If all we can score is 27 points by attacking OSU's weaknesses I have a lot of questions.
Those miscues do not owe to a "running philosophy." They owe to 4 star WR's fucking up at their jobs.
We won, so it worked, I guess.
But running like you're 1990s Nebraska without the benefit of an option QB wasn't anything that should inspire confidence in anyone. -
Look, I get it: Sigur Ros isn't for everyone. But it's not real life like Husky football.dnc said:
I wasn't a big fan of your offseason posts but you and I have seen eye to eye the last few days for sure. Good chit man.1to392831weretaken said:To me, it's as simple as this:
If Alabama or Ohio State or Clemson East were to pop into Microwave Burrito Stadium to face off against the mighty Oregon State Babushkas, is their offensive philosophy to target OSU's weakness on defense? Or is their philosophy to do whatever the fuck they want because they're that much better? I'm betting Alabama would roll in there and pass for 400 yards rather easily.
If I were to pick a fistfight with a crippled eight year old girl, I would wail away in any manner I please. Avoiding her left side because her right hook is weaker would be... pathetic. -
We just need more recruits with 2 black parents, that are also not Nigerians like Ulofoshio, and all are problems will be solvedRaceBannon said:
ThisBread said:Jimmy is a little smarter then you idiots. They aren't rolling out a power run scheme every week. He hates offenses that target his defenses weakness. The offense is going to attack each teams weakness.
Complete opposite of Petersen's "who cares who we play, we are just going to do what we do best."
While it is possible to be worse than Peterson I don't see it happening
By the time Pete let I was so over him it wasn't funny
And by the way the TSIO guys have some explaining to do as well. Blue chips my ass
Get me football players who make football plays. Not 7 on 7 all stars
According to those fucking idiots -
dnc said:
Yes I think Lake is making the classic mistake of "what is hardest for me to defend against = what kind of offense we need" when what he doesn't realize is that he's not building an offense to beat his defense, he's building an offense to beat Pac12 defenses and Pac12 defenses aren't near as good as defending the pass as his defense.
TL;DR: *Gurgle*
This is what I believe in my gut is happening. He’s a smart guy but also stubborn and wants to outthink the room. Most teams don’t have his defense and can’t pull it off the same way because they don’t have Kwat and don’t have the same coaching abilities or development abilities.Bread said:Jimmy is a little smarter then you idiots. They aren't rolling out a power run scheme every week. He hates offenses that target his defenses weakness. The offense is going to attack each teams weakness.
Complete opposite of Petersen's "who cares who we play, we are just going to do what we do best."
This is what I want to believe is happening. He’s a smart guy who is also stubborn and wants to outthink the room and be on the cutting edge. Zig when others are zagging. Use your talent and depth to come up with a multiple offense, not shifts and formations, but personnel groupings that can be adjusted to the other team and exploit their weaknesses.dnc said:
You might be right.Bread said:Jimmy is a little smarter then you idiots. They aren't rolling out a power run scheme every week. He hates offenses that target his defenses weakness. The offense is going to attack each teams weakness.
Complete opposite of Petersen's "who cares who we play, we are just going to do what we do best."
If all we can score is 27 points by attacking OSU's weaknesses I have a lot of questions.
Agreed. It was a sloppy game with a lot of miscues and points left on the field. There are a lot of things that need to get better. My hope is that there was no spring ball for development, and no Fall Camp. There is some quick learning and development that needs to take place. -
Penn St. had a guy name Saquon Barkley on their team and McSorely could move as well. They beat us every way you can be beaten but the threat of the run was ever present and essentially, talent and execution wise, operating at the highest level.dnc said:
tOSU and Penn State absolutely beat us with the pass.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Every team UW has lost to the last 5 years were all strong running teams. Even look at Oregon last year, Cristobal just kept handing it off when Herbert was trying to throw the game away.dnc said:Yes I think Lake is making the classic mistake of "what is hardest for me to defend against = what kind of offense we need" when what he doesn't realize is that he's not building an offense to beat his defense, he's building an offense to beat Pac12 defenses and Pac12 defenses aren't near as good as defending the pass as his defense.
TL;DR: *Gurgle*
Bama, tOSU, Penn St., Stanford, Oregon...They all could run power when they wanted to and play keep away if need be.
The others I agree.
And again this isn't coincidence and it isn't because running is a superior strategy. It's because our defense is designed to stop the pass. 2 down lineman and 5 DB's in base is highly unusual, and it's been highly effective overall. Jimmy understands innately that the passing game is the most valuable part of the game, that's why he (and K) attempt to take it away (and basically outside of the Penn State and tOSU games, succeed) from other team's offenses first.
It's just fascinating that he doesn't carry that same mindset to the offensive side of the ball.
Ohio St. Had Mike Weber and JK Dobbins to roll out. But it is true that Haskins beat us more than anything.
Either way, those were teams that could do what they wanted on the ground. -
Game #1 for head coach, QB, OC, OL, etc, etc, etc. LIPO.dnc said:
You might be right.Bread said:Jimmy is a little smarter then you idiots. They aren't rolling out a power run scheme every week. He hates offenses that target his defenses weakness. The offense is going to attack each teams weakness.
Complete opposite of Petersen's "who cares who we play, we are just going to do what we do best."
If all we can score is 27 points by attacking OSU's weaknesses I have a lot of questions. -
I still think we need a white WR to really take the next step.RoadDawg55 said:
Osbourne and Spiker are the two best WR’s on the West. Ty Jones will be incredible. You’re gonna miss some when all you really have is a 5 min Hudl of these kids, but their WR evals were terrible.RaceBannon said:
ThisBread said:Jimmy is a little smarter then you idiots. They aren't rolling out a power run scheme every week. He hates offenses that target his defenses weakness. The offense is going to attack each teams weakness.
Complete opposite of Petersen's "who cares who we play, we are just going to do what we do best."
While it is possible to be worse than Peterson I don't see it happening
By the time Pete let I was so over him it wasn't funny
And by the way the TSIO guys have some explaining to do as well. Blue chips my ass
Get me football players who make football plays. Not 7 on 7 all stars -
I think they were trying to prove a point to themselves, i.e. we are tough and can run the ball(!), which, considering the opponent, seemed like the strategic and teaching moment they were looking for.dnc said:
We ran 51 times and threw 24 (and those numbers aren't skewed by sacks as there weren't any). And it's not like we had a huge lead and were sitting on the ball to kill clock half the game either. The game plan was to run twice as much as we passed.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Consider that three different passes were dropped in the endzone. It's not like Jimmy handed off every play, Ty Jones, and Odunze botched it. So did Bynum on third down, etc..dnc said:
You might be right.Bread said:Jimmy is a little smarter then you idiots. They aren't rolling out a power run scheme every week. He hates offenses that target his defenses weakness. The offense is going to attack each teams weakness.
Complete opposite of Petersen's "who cares who we play, we are just going to do what we do best."
If all we can score is 27 points by attacking OSU's weaknesses I have a lot of questions.
Those miscues do not owe to a "running philosophy." They owe to 4 star WR's fucking up at their jobs.
We won, so it worked, I guess.
But running like you're 1990s Nebraska without the benefit of an option QB wasn't anything that should inspire confidence in anyone.
Imagine DylMo throwing a pick 6 or some stupid shit in the 4th quarter. Husky Twitter would all be dead.
They obviously thought Newton was going to start beasting people at some point, which never materialized, so hopefully he's 4th string now. -
In this shit conference, the pure virtue of coming in and being legitimately physical (e.g. what Cristobal did) immediately puts you in the top 4. Until I see other gameplans I do not understand the apprehension with the offense yet.
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Gladstone said:
In this shit conference, the pure virtue of coming in and being legitimately physical (e.g. what Cristobal did) immediately puts you in the top 4. Until I see other gameplans I do not understand the apprehension with the offense yet.
I've died and gone to heaven.
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Opening with a three game run of Beav, AZ, and WSU with a young QB...Yeah, you're going to do the easy thing and just try to physically dominate.Gladstone said:In this shit conference, the pure virtue of coming in and being legitimately physical (e.g. what Cristobal did) immediately puts you in the top 4. Until I see other gameplans I do not understand the apprehension with the offense yet.
There was literally no point during that game where I was wishing Dylan Morris was slinging it 40 times. -
Ask away ... what do you want explained Gramps?RaceBannon said:
ThisBread said:Jimmy is a little smarter then you idiots. They aren't rolling out a power run scheme every week. He hates offenses that target his defenses weakness. The offense is going to attack each teams weakness.
Complete opposite of Petersen's "who cares who we play, we are just going to do what we do best."
While it is possible to be worse than Peterson I don't see it happening
By the time Pete let I was so over him it wasn't funny
And by the way the TSIO guys have some explaining to do as well. Blue chips my ass
Get me football players who make football plays. Not 7 on 7 all stars -
I explained it alreadyTequilla said:
Ask away ... what do you want explained Gramps?RaceBannon said:
ThisBread said:Jimmy is a little smarter then you idiots. They aren't rolling out a power run scheme every week. He hates offenses that target his defenses weakness. The offense is going to attack each teams weakness.
Complete opposite of Petersen's "who cares who we play, we are just going to do what we do best."
While it is possible to be worse than Peterson I don't see it happening
By the time Pete let I was so over him it wasn't funny
And by the way the TSIO guys have some explaining to do as well. Blue chips my ass
Get me football players who make football plays. Not 7 on 7 all stars -
Clearly hate the attempt at humor ...RaceBannon said:
I explained it alreadyTequilla said:
Ask away ... what do you want explained Gramps?RaceBannon said:
ThisBread said:Jimmy is a little smarter then you idiots. They aren't rolling out a power run scheme every week. He hates offenses that target his defenses weakness. The offense is going to attack each teams weakness.
Complete opposite of Petersen's "who cares who we play, we are just going to do what we do best."
While it is possible to be worse than Peterson I don't see it happening
By the time Pete let I was so over him it wasn't funny
And by the way the TSIO guys have some explaining to do as well. Blue chips my ass
Get me football players who make football plays. Not 7 on 7 all stars
I agree with you that there was clearly something missing with Petersen last year ... he looked very burned out to me. I applaud him for stepping away when he realized he didn't have the hunger to do the job going forward.
My primary concern with Lake is that I see him as someone that thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. The soundbites sound wonderful. But when it comes to executing, to date I haven't seen the match to his words. For any person in leadership, I worry about someone who talks a better game than they play it.
I'm definitely not someone that is going to get bent out of shape over any single recruit as it really is about the depth of the talent versus any individual player.
When asking for the TSIO guys to explain and then referencing blue chips, there's a lot of ways for that discussion to go. When you bring in a lot of talent some will work out and some won't. I'll always advocate for getting competition into position groups and letting the players decide who plays.
What I will disagree with is a blind disputing of talent and rankings. They are definitely not absolutes but there's a reason that people follow the blue chip ratio as it does have some decent correlation. You're right that evaluating skills like toughness, can you actually make the plays when the pressure is on, etc. are important measurement tools vs looking at 7 on 7 underwear olympics (which have some but limitations to them). Off the top of my head I know that all of the members of TSIO were very bullish on 3-star Taylor Rapp and were proven right. I know that we also thought that ZTF looked much, much better than his ranking.
By and large TSIO has been fairly good at talking about players and what their strengths and weaknesses are.
