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Interesting. Not my area, so I'm not sure of the federal jurisdictional analysis here, but it would seem at a glance that the fed could enact some basic rules of the road by which the states have to follow in terms of their voting laws and procedures. Just like a state constitution can have whatever provisions they wanted to enact so long as they don't go beyond federal constituional boundaries, why couldn't there be a federal body of laws that draw out some basic requirements with which all state voting laws would have to jibe? There's federal legislation and SCOTUS jurisprudence that makes illegal certain actions that work in effect to deny the franchise. Why couldn't there be some basic safeguards of the type you describe as a baseline by which all states have to abide?Houhusky said:
Good question.creepycoug said:This may be a naive thought - because I've never been anywhere near the election system and don't know the mechanics - but could the government spare a few hundred million to have the big 4 accounting firms do regional audits? Is there some kind of audit by an outside party not contolled by the government already in place?
It wouldn't have to be every single vote ... just like it's not every single transaction that the independent audit firms do on their conglomerate clients. A statistically significant spot audit. Maybe you do it in states where the vote was within some number of closeness. Maybe you do it in swing states.
IDK. Seems like it's about as fundamental a process as we have in this country. Why not make an effort to ensure it's clean?
Just simply requiring the reporting of gross total votes cast before any votes are known for each locality would make it significantly harder for the type of infinite 3 am count cheating to occur. Throw in the rather logical cleaning of inactive/ineligible voter rolls and it becomes a lot harder to cheat for basically zero cost.
We used to collect and have granular voter data with gross totals... it was changed in a bunch of states prior to the 2018 election including in Georgia. Which is why on election night the state data was a ranged percentage vote ("votes counted 67-85%") in rather than the specific % voted in all other previous modern presidential elections.
Anyway, clearly not my area of expertise. -
Nixon was a piker compared to Obama.Sledog said:
Please compare and contrast Nixon's Watergate with Obama's spying on the Trump campaign.HHusky said:
Destroyed for his criminality. Really unfair. Kinda mean even.DerekJohnson said:
He referenced how Nixon took the stately gentleman high road in 1960 and it didn't matter 13 years later when the media ganged up and destroyed him. I was agreeing wholeheartedly with what Race said.HHusky said:
So you responded to Race's remark about Nixon's concession in 1960 because . . .?DerekJohnson said:
This doesn't make sense and it appears that you're intentionally misrepresenting what I said. This is why I disregard most of what you post.HHusky said:
Elected to two terms as President = Run out of townDerekJohnson said:
Yes this is absolutely trueRaceBannon said:Nixon was praised in 1960 for shutting up and taking it as a true statesman. He got his reward by getting the usual full court media hate press and eventually being run out of town
60 years later the GOP still thinks this is a neat strategy.
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Biggest contrast: the former actually happened.Sledog said:
Please compare and contrast Nixon's Watergate with Obama's spying on the Trump campaign.HHusky said:
Destroyed for his criminality. Really unfair. Kinda mean even.DerekJohnson said:
He referenced how Nixon took the stately gentleman high road in 1960 and it didn't matter 13 years later when the media ganged up and destroyed him. I was agreeing wholeheartedly with what Race said.HHusky said:
So you responded to Race's remark about Nixon's concession in 1960 because . . .?DerekJohnson said:
This doesn't make sense and it appears that you're intentionally misrepresenting what I said. This is why I disregard most of what you post.HHusky said:
Elected to two terms as President = Run out of townDerekJohnson said:
Yes this is absolutely trueRaceBannon said:Nixon was praised in 1960 for shutting up and taking it as a true statesman. He got his reward by getting the usual full court media hate press and eventually being run out of town
60 years later the GOP still thinks this is a neat strategy.
Stalin agrees -
Why even bother with this liar?HHusky said:
Biggest contrast: the former actually happened.Sledog said:
Please compare and contrast Nixon's Watergate with Obama's spying on the Trump campaign.HHusky said:
Destroyed for his criminality. Really unfair. Kinda mean even.DerekJohnson said:
He referenced how Nixon took the stately gentleman high road in 1960 and it didn't matter 13 years later when the media ganged up and destroyed him. I was agreeing wholeheartedly with what Race said.HHusky said:
So you responded to Race's remark about Nixon's concession in 1960 because . . .?DerekJohnson said:
This doesn't make sense and it appears that you're intentionally misrepresenting what I said. This is why I disregard most of what you post.HHusky said:
Elected to two terms as President = Run out of townDerekJohnson said:
Yes this is absolutely trueRaceBannon said:Nixon was praised in 1960 for shutting up and taking it as a true statesman. He got his reward by getting the usual full court media hate press and eventually being run out of town
60 years later the GOP still thinks this is a neat strategy.
Stalin agrees -
What were the FISA warrants for if they weren't spying on the Campaign Dazzler? Shameless liar or just ignorant fool? Take your pick Dazzler.HHusky said:
Biggest contrast: the former actually happened.Sledog said:
Please compare and contrast Nixon's Watergate with Obama's spying on the Trump campaign.HHusky said:
Destroyed for his criminality. Really unfair. Kinda mean even.DerekJohnson said:
He referenced how Nixon took the stately gentleman high road in 1960 and it didn't matter 13 years later when the media ganged up and destroyed him. I was agreeing wholeheartedly with what Race said.HHusky said:
So you responded to Race's remark about Nixon's concession in 1960 because . . .?DerekJohnson said:
This doesn't make sense and it appears that you're intentionally misrepresenting what I said. This is why I disregard most of what you post.HHusky said:
Elected to two terms as President = Run out of townDerekJohnson said:
Yes this is absolutely trueRaceBannon said:Nixon was praised in 1960 for shutting up and taking it as a true statesman. He got his reward by getting the usual full court media hate press and eventually being run out of town
60 years later the GOP still thinks this is a neat strategy.
Stalin agrees -
He is either proudly parading his ignorance around for us all to see, or he is just a shameless liar.NorthwestFresh said:
Why even bother with this liar?HHusky said:
Biggest contrast: the former actually happened.Sledog said:
Please compare and contrast Nixon's Watergate with Obama's spying on the Trump campaign.HHusky said:
Destroyed for his criminality. Really unfair. Kinda mean even.DerekJohnson said:
He referenced how Nixon took the stately gentleman high road in 1960 and it didn't matter 13 years later when the media ganged up and destroyed him. I was agreeing wholeheartedly with what Race said.HHusky said:
So you responded to Race's remark about Nixon's concession in 1960 because . . .?DerekJohnson said:
This doesn't make sense and it appears that you're intentionally misrepresenting what I said. This is why I disregard most of what you post.HHusky said:
Elected to two terms as President = Run out of townDerekJohnson said:
Yes this is absolutely trueRaceBannon said:Nixon was praised in 1960 for shutting up and taking it as a true statesman. He got his reward by getting the usual full court media hate press and eventually being run out of town
60 years later the GOP still thinks this is a neat strategy.
Stalin agrees -
Madam, Sled's allegation wasn't that FISA warrants were issued. We can agree they were. Obama didn't spy on Daddy's campaign.SFGbob said:
What were the FISA warrants for if they weren't spying on the Campaign Dazzler? Shameless liar or just ignorant fool? Take your pick Dazzler.HHusky said:
Biggest contrast: the former actually happened.Sledog said:
Please compare and contrast Nixon's Watergate with Obama's spying on the Trump campaign.HHusky said:
Destroyed for his criminality. Really unfair. Kinda mean even.DerekJohnson said:
He referenced how Nixon took the stately gentleman high road in 1960 and it didn't matter 13 years later when the media ganged up and destroyed him. I was agreeing wholeheartedly with what Race said.HHusky said:
So you responded to Race's remark about Nixon's concession in 1960 because . . .?DerekJohnson said:
This doesn't make sense and it appears that you're intentionally misrepresenting what I said. This is why I disregard most of what you post.HHusky said:
Elected to two terms as President = Run out of townDerekJohnson said:
Yes this is absolutely trueRaceBannon said:Nixon was praised in 1960 for shutting up and taking it as a true statesman. He got his reward by getting the usual full court media hate press and eventually being run out of town
60 years later the GOP still thinks this is a neat strategy.
Stalin agrees -
Got it, so what did the FISA warrants allow them to do Dazzler?HHusky said:
Madam, Sled's allegation wasn't that FISA warrants were issued. We can agree they were. Obama didn't spy on Daddy's campaign.SFGbob said:
What were the FISA warrants for if they weren't spying on the Campaign Dazzler? Shameless liar or just ignorant fool? Take your pick Dazzler.HHusky said:
Biggest contrast: the former actually happened.Sledog said:
Please compare and contrast Nixon's Watergate with Obama's spying on the Trump campaign.HHusky said:
Destroyed for his criminality. Really unfair. Kinda mean even.DerekJohnson said:
He referenced how Nixon took the stately gentleman high road in 1960 and it didn't matter 13 years later when the media ganged up and destroyed him. I was agreeing wholeheartedly with what Race said.HHusky said:
So you responded to Race's remark about Nixon's concession in 1960 because . . .?DerekJohnson said:
This doesn't make sense and it appears that you're intentionally misrepresenting what I said. This is why I disregard most of what you post.HHusky said:
Elected to two terms as President = Run out of townDerekJohnson said:
Yes this is absolutely trueRaceBannon said:Nixon was praised in 1960 for shutting up and taking it as a true statesman. He got his reward by getting the usual full court media hate press and eventually being run out of town
60 years later the GOP still thinks this is a neat strategy.
Stalin agrees -
Keep Russian interference in checkSFGbob said:
Got it, so what did the FISA warrants allow them to do Dazzler?HHusky said:
Madam, Sled's allegation wasn't that FISA warrants were issued. We can agree they were. Obama didn't spy on Daddy's campaign.SFGbob said:
What were the FISA warrants for if they weren't spying on the Campaign Dazzler? Shameless liar or just ignorant fool? Take your pick Dazzler.HHusky said:
Biggest contrast: the former actually happened.Sledog said:
Please compare and contrast Nixon's Watergate with Obama's spying on the Trump campaign.HHusky said:
Destroyed for his criminality. Really unfair. Kinda mean even.DerekJohnson said:
He referenced how Nixon took the stately gentleman high road in 1960 and it didn't matter 13 years later when the media ganged up and destroyed him. I was agreeing wholeheartedly with what Race said.HHusky said:
So you responded to Race's remark about Nixon's concession in 1960 because . . .?DerekJohnson said:
This doesn't make sense and it appears that you're intentionally misrepresenting what I said. This is why I disregard most of what you post.HHusky said:
Elected to two terms as President = Run out of townDerekJohnson said:
Yes this is absolutely trueRaceBannon said:Nixon was praised in 1960 for shutting up and taking it as a true statesman. He got his reward by getting the usual full court media hate press and eventually being run out of town
60 years later the GOP still thinks this is a neat strategy.
Stalin agrees -
And how did they do that?doogie said:
Keep Russian interference in checkSFGbob said:
Got it, so what did the FISA warrants allow them to do Dazzler?HHusky said:
Madam, Sled's allegation wasn't that FISA warrants were issued. We can agree they were. Obama didn't spy on Daddy's campaign.SFGbob said:
What were the FISA warrants for if they weren't spying on the Campaign Dazzler? Shameless liar or just ignorant fool? Take your pick Dazzler.HHusky said:
Biggest contrast: the former actually happened.Sledog said:
Please compare and contrast Nixon's Watergate with Obama's spying on the Trump campaign.HHusky said:
Destroyed for his criminality. Really unfair. Kinda mean even.DerekJohnson said:
He referenced how Nixon took the stately gentleman high road in 1960 and it didn't matter 13 years later when the media ganged up and destroyed him. I was agreeing wholeheartedly with what Race said.HHusky said:
So you responded to Race's remark about Nixon's concession in 1960 because . . .?DerekJohnson said:
This doesn't make sense and it appears that you're intentionally misrepresenting what I said. This is why I disregard most of what you post.HHusky said:
Elected to two terms as President = Run out of townDerekJohnson said:
Yes this is absolutely trueRaceBannon said:Nixon was praised in 1960 for shutting up and taking it as a true statesman. He got his reward by getting the usual full court media hate press and eventually being run out of town
60 years later the GOP still thinks this is a neat strategy.
Stalin agrees
