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Magic Shrooms now legal in Oregon
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GrundleStiltzkin said:
I would have voted for this one in WA.
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Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
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Is what we're doing now changing any of that? Endless dump of money and pain for little result.NorthwestFresh said:
Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
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Shrooms aren’t that big of a deal. Natural medicine. Same as weed.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Is what we're doing now changing any of that? Endless dump of money and pain for little result.NorthwestFresh said:
Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
I’ve seen one of my best friends from college have his life ruined by meth and I’m extremely biased against it. There are zero positive results using meth. I can’t imagine a life that ever gets better by starting meth. Which then leads to crimes to support the habit. Which leads to my friend being in prison periodically. Use, rob people, use, rob, finally get caught robbing and it’s back to Stayton.
I don’t have any real experience with heroin, so I won’t comment on it other than recovering addicts say it’s a horrible drug to need and the withdrawal sickness can make death feel like a better option.
Having done cocaine recreationally in my early 20s, it’s not really that big a deal to me and it’s not really physically addictive but I don’t see an upside to decriminalizing it, either, although I’m not opposed to it.
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I don't want anyone doing any of those, meth in particular. But they do. My only point is, what good is locking up these people? My mind has changed dramatically on this over the last 10 years.NorthwestFresh said:
Shrooms aren’t that big of a deal. Natural medicine. Same as weed. I’ve seen one of my best friends from college have his life ruined by meth and I’m extremely biased against it. There are zero positive results using meth. I can’t imagine a life that ever gets better by starting meth. Which then leads to crimes to support the habit.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Is what we're doing now changing any of that? Endless dump of money and pain for little result.NorthwestFresh said:
Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
I don’t have any real experience with heroin, so I won’t comment on it other than recovering addicts say it’s a horrible drug to need and the withdrawal sickness can make death feel like a better option.
Having done cocaine recreationally in my early 20s, it’s not really that big a deal to me and it’s not really physically addictive but I don’t see an upside to decriminalizing it, either. -
Most aren’t in jail for possession. Most are in jail for the crimes they commit to gain possession of either heroin or meth. I’d add crack too, but in my limited but existent experience with drugs in Oregon, crack doesn’t seem to be nearly as big a problem as are meth and heroin.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I don't want anyone doing any of those, meth in particular. But they do. My only point is, what good is locking up these people? My mind has changed dramatically on this over the last 10 years.NorthwestFresh said:
Shrooms aren’t that big of a deal. Natural medicine. Same as weed. I’ve seen one of my best friends from college have his life ruined by meth and I’m extremely biased against it. There are zero positive results using meth. I can’t imagine a life that ever gets better by starting meth. Which then leads to crimes to support the habit.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Is what we're doing now changing any of that? Endless dump of money and pain for little result.NorthwestFresh said:
Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
I don’t have any real experience with heroin, so I won’t comment on it other than recovering addicts say it’s a horrible drug to need and the withdrawal sickness can make death feel like a better option.
Having done cocaine recreationally in my early 20s, it’s not really that big a deal to me and it’s not really physically addictive but I don’t see an upside to decriminalizing it, either. -
Good, let's separate victim-less crimes from the others.NorthwestFresh said:
Most aren’t in jail for possession. Most are in jail for the crimes they commit to gain possession of either heroin or meth. I’d add crack too, but in my limited but existent experience with drugs in Oregon, crack doesn’t seem to be nearly as big a problem as are meth and heroin.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I don't want anyone doing any of those, meth in particular. But they do. My only point is, what good is locking up these people? My mind has changed dramatically on this over the last 10 years.NorthwestFresh said:
Shrooms aren’t that big of a deal. Natural medicine. Same as weed. I’ve seen one of my best friends from college have his life ruined by meth and I’m extremely biased against it. There are zero positive results using meth. I can’t imagine a life that ever gets better by starting meth. Which then leads to crimes to support the habit.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Is what we're doing now changing any of that? Endless dump of money and pain for little result.NorthwestFresh said:
Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
I don’t have any real experience with heroin, so I won’t comment on it other than recovering addicts say it’s a horrible drug to need and the withdrawal sickness can make death feel like a better option.
Having done cocaine recreationally in my early 20s, it’s not really that big a deal to me and it’s not really physically addictive but I don’t see an upside to decriminalizing it, either. -
I disagree on meth and heroin use being victimless crimes. Plenty of victims involved in making, distributing, and selling them, and many addicts have families and friends impacted by their use.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Good, let's separate victim-less crimes from the others.NorthwestFresh said:
Most aren’t in jail for possession. Most are in jail for the crimes they commit to gain possession of either heroin or meth. I’d add crack too, but in my limited but existent experience with drugs in Oregon, crack doesn’t seem to be nearly as big a problem as are meth and heroin.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I don't want anyone doing any of those, meth in particular. But they do. My only point is, what good is locking up these people? My mind has changed dramatically on this over the last 10 years.NorthwestFresh said:
Shrooms aren’t that big of a deal. Natural medicine. Same as weed. I’ve seen one of my best friends from college have his life ruined by meth and I’m extremely biased against it. There are zero positive results using meth. I can’t imagine a life that ever gets better by starting meth. Which then leads to crimes to support the habit.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Is what we're doing now changing any of that? Endless dump of money and pain for little result.NorthwestFresh said:
Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
I don’t have any real experience with heroin, so I won’t comment on it other than recovering addicts say it’s a horrible drug to need and the withdrawal sickness can make death feel like a better option.
Having done cocaine recreationally in my early 20s, it’s not really that big a deal to me and it’s not really physically addictive but I don’t see an upside to decriminalizing it, either.
I realize severe alcoholism has the same impact on friends and family, but that’s another topic.
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Fare poont on the demand stream. As far as I can tell, this doesn't change anything for dealers.NorthwestFresh said:
I disagree on meth and heroin use being victimless crimes. Plenty of victims involved in making, distributing, and selling them, and many addicts have families and friends impacted by their use.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Good, let's separate victim-less crimes from the others.NorthwestFresh said:
Most aren’t in jail for possession. Most are in jail for the crimes they commit to gain possession of either heroin or meth. I’d add crack too, but in my limited but existent experience with drugs in Oregon, crack doesn’t seem to be nearly as big a problem as are meth and heroin.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I don't want anyone doing any of those, meth in particular. But they do. My only point is, what good is locking up these people? My mind has changed dramatically on this over the last 10 years.NorthwestFresh said:
Shrooms aren’t that big of a deal. Natural medicine. Same as weed. I’ve seen one of my best friends from college have his life ruined by meth and I’m extremely biased against it. There are zero positive results using meth. I can’t imagine a life that ever gets better by starting meth. Which then leads to crimes to support the habit.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Is what we're doing now changing any of that? Endless dump of money and pain for little result.NorthwestFresh said:
Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
I don’t have any real experience with heroin, so I won’t comment on it other than recovering addicts say it’s a horrible drug to need and the withdrawal sickness can make death feel like a better option.
Having done cocaine recreationally in my early 20s, it’s not really that big a deal to me and it’s not really physically addictive but I don’t see an upside to decriminalizing it, either.
I realize severe alcoholism has the same impact on friends and family, but that’s another topic. -
At worst for them, things stay the same. At best, more people use now that there isn’t a real legal deterrent against it. No downside for dealers and producers. The few people that do go to jail for possession alone now will be on the outside using, too.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Fare poont on the demand stream. As far as I can tell, this doesn't change anything for dealers.NorthwestFresh said:
I disagree on meth and heroin use being victimless crimes. Plenty of victims involved in making, distributing, and selling them, and many addicts have families and friends impacted by their use.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Good, let's separate victim-less crimes from the others.NorthwestFresh said:
Most aren’t in jail for possession. Most are in jail for the crimes they commit to gain possession of either heroin or meth. I’d add crack too, but in my limited but existent experience with drugs in Oregon, crack doesn’t seem to be nearly as big a problem as are meth and heroin.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I don't want anyone doing any of those, meth in particular. But they do. My only point is, what good is locking up these people? My mind has changed dramatically on this over the last 10 years.NorthwestFresh said:
Shrooms aren’t that big of a deal. Natural medicine. Same as weed. I’ve seen one of my best friends from college have his life ruined by meth and I’m extremely biased against it. There are zero positive results using meth. I can’t imagine a life that ever gets better by starting meth. Which then leads to crimes to support the habit.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Is what we're doing now changing any of that? Endless dump of money and pain for little result.NorthwestFresh said:
Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
I don’t have any real experience with heroin, so I won’t comment on it other than recovering addicts say it’s a horrible drug to need and the withdrawal sickness can make death feel like a better option.
Having done cocaine recreationally in my early 20s, it’s not really that big a deal to me and it’s not really physically addictive but I don’t see an upside to decriminalizing it, either.
I realize severe alcoholism has the same impact on friends and family, but that’s another topic.
Doesn’t really matter much anyhow since police forces in the cities here are getting smaller, anyhow.
2021 should be a big one for the meth and heroin trade.
