Magic Shrooms now legal in Oregon
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Police have been able to lower penalties and offer plea deals to charged users to help investigators by being informants to hunt down the "bad hombres". Now what's the incentive? We? want to follow Portugal's lead, but did you actually look into Portugal? Property theft and petty crimes have skyrocketed since 2001, the year it passed. All this law does is enable users to continue using. If they forced treatment, then ok, let's look at it. But it's not required. Treatment is only offered. We? already have the homeless showing up here by the bus full, now we'll get even more. Police currently don't investigate many property crimes, since they are understaffed, expect those crimes to increase here as well. I am thankful I live outside of town.Duckwithabone said:Nothing is legalized except medical/clinical use of shrooms. No the usage isn’t getting normalized and the amounts won’t skyrocket. It’s still illegal to produce or sell all of these substances. The “bad hombres” will still get busted. But now the much more harmless users will be let go, and hopefully as time goes on directed to a rehab. But now they won’t be wasting police time and tax payer dollars. If these users break a law, as in b&e or a violent crime, then they still get dealt with as criminals. But now simply walking around with one of these substances by itself won’t be a reason to waste a cop’s time or the limited jail space that exists in some of these west coast cities that I have spent plenty of time in and am very aware of the drug problems. The problem has only gotten worse. It’s time to change our approach. This is level-headed thinking.
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Crack is equal to or worse than meth because they need it far more often. Average number of uses to addiction is 1. I dealt with this shit for almost 30 years. Most of the ones that cleaned up did it in jail. If they managed not to do serious jail time they died from it. Heroin too. Takes a lot longer to kill unless one of the nasty diseases from needles gets ya. Angel dust? Holy shit that stuff is bad news. It's all bad news. Legal weed has spawned an entire new crime industry around itself.
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Making, distributing, and selling would only become safer if they were legalized.NorthwestFresh said:
I disagree on meth and heroin use being victimless crimes. Plenty of victims involved in making, distributing, and selling them, and many addicts have families and friends impacted by their use.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Good, let's separate victim-less crimes from the others.NorthwestFresh said:
Most aren’t in jail for possession. Most are in jail for the crimes they commit to gain possession of either heroin or meth. I’d add crack too, but in my limited but existent experience with drugs in Oregon, crack doesn’t seem to be nearly as big a problem as are meth and heroin.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I don't want anyone doing any of those, meth in particular. But they do. My only point is, what good is locking up these people? My mind has changed dramatically on this over the last 10 years.NorthwestFresh said:
Shrooms aren’t that big of a deal. Natural medicine. Same as weed. I’ve seen one of my best friends from college have his life ruined by meth and I’m extremely biased against it. There are zero positive results using meth. I can’t imagine a life that ever gets better by starting meth. Which then leads to crimes to support the habit.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Is what we're doing now changing any of that? Endless dump of money and pain for little result.NorthwestFresh said:
Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
I don’t have any real experience with heroin, so I won’t comment on it other than recovering addicts say it’s a horrible drug to need and the withdrawal sickness can make death feel like a better option.
Having done cocaine recreationally in my early 20s, it’s not really that big a deal to me and it’s not really physically addictive but I don’t see an upside to decriminalizing it, either.
While there are people who are impacted by those who use these drugs, it is not the usage itself that hurts other people.
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Yes, let’s completely legalize heroin and meth, tax it making it more expensive, and make it widely available. Brilliant plan.Fenderbender123 said:
Making, distributing, and selling would only become safer if they were legalized.NorthwestFresh said:
I disagree on meth and heroin use being victimless crimes. Plenty of victims involved in making, distributing, and selling them, and many addicts have families and friends impacted by their use.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Good, let's separate victim-less crimes from the others.NorthwestFresh said:
Most aren’t in jail for possession. Most are in jail for the crimes they commit to gain possession of either heroin or meth. I’d add crack too, but in my limited but existent experience with drugs in Oregon, crack doesn’t seem to be nearly as big a problem as are meth and heroin.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I don't want anyone doing any of those, meth in particular. But they do. My only point is, what good is locking up these people? My mind has changed dramatically on this over the last 10 years.NorthwestFresh said:
Shrooms aren’t that big of a deal. Natural medicine. Same as weed. I’ve seen one of my best friends from college have his life ruined by meth and I’m extremely biased against it. There are zero positive results using meth. I can’t imagine a life that ever gets better by starting meth. Which then leads to crimes to support the habit.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Is what we're doing now changing any of that? Endless dump of money and pain for little result.NorthwestFresh said:
Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
I don’t have any real experience with heroin, so I won’t comment on it other than recovering addicts say it’s a horrible drug to need and the withdrawal sickness can make death feel like a better option.
Having done cocaine recreationally in my early 20s, it’s not really that big a deal to me and it’s not really physically addictive but I don’t see an upside to decriminalizing it, either.
While there are people who are impacted by those who use these drugs, it is not the usage itself that hurts other people.
We don’t have near enough addicts now.
I also strongly disagree with the second part of your post. I’m guessing you’re trying to make some semantical point about use versus actions while using and I don’t buy that line of thought.
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I've never seen any evidence that legalization leads to normalization or increased abuse. And even if so, on the grounds of the principle that I should own my own body, there should be no legal consequences for what I put into it.
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Legalizing shrooms is a big win we should all be for. Cocaine? Fuck yeah, let it snow.
Can't say the same about heroine. There's no way to enjoy that recreationally and its use has absolutely decimated communities. This will also further cripple law enforcement from being able to clean up a city that is already infested with zombie addicts as it is. Public camping and heroine use is now legal, so welcome to Portland and now we can't legally make you leave. -
You think less people will be meth and heroin addicts if it’s legalized and widely available? I’ve been in jail. Many of the people there are for crimes they committed trying to feed their habits and are mostly good people when sober. That was the one thing I actually learned from lock-up and it was a surprise. The ones who were actually were arrested for using, and not stealing or robbing to support their using, were people like with an alcohol DUI.Fenderbender123 said:I've never seen any evidence that legalization leads to normalization or increased abuse. And even if so, on the grounds of the principle that I should own my own body, there should be no legal consequences for what I put into it.
Put what you want into your body, I don’t care, but you make a very simplistic argument for a very complex issue.
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Addict levels remain the same no matter the laws.Kaepsknee said:RoadDawg55 said:
Why would burglaries and home invasions explode? Addicts that do that type of shit aren’t worried whether the drugs are decriminalized or not. They just want their fix.Kaepsknee said:
Noted idealogue weighs in. This was not the time to push this through. Once the eviction moratorium expires Jan 1st, there will be thousands more on the streets in Oregon.Duckwithabone said:I generally don’t think Oregonians make good governing decisions, but they nailed this. As usual the west coast is ahead of the curve.
Normalizing usage of highly addictive drugs like meth, Coke, heroin and oxy will destroy current solvent families and put more on the street in addition. Clearly you haven’t spent much time in our Cities on the West Coast other than the ‘Burbs to truly believe this is a good idea.
Property crimes, burglaries and home invasions will explode. Most property crimes now aren’t prosecuted and burglary suspects are mostly released on OR to never show up in court.
Believe the people that say they wish to see it all burn down.
I’m not sure if it’s a good thing or not. I’ll leave that to others but thinking this will create more crime is pretty stupid.
bUT tHE WaR oN dRuGs!!!
The battle cry for every millennial that watches a shitty Vice documentary.
Guess what happens when demand becomes more than supply. The suppliers ramp up their efforts. And then you end up with more addicts. When you have more addicts, you have more crime. Crimes that currently are rarely prosecuted. In Portland proper, crime is already up almost 200% for the year. It has little to do with riot crimes as few of those are prosecuted. It has more to do with the pandemic and the Economic carnage caused.
If you're OK with innocents suffering more due to dimestore Policy, just say that. And these faery tail rehab centers that don’t exist, never will. As Marijuana receipts aren’t close enough to fund them.
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2021 will be a big year for the drug trade like it is every other year.NorthwestFresh said:
At worst for them, things stay the same. At best, more people use now that there isn’t a real legal deterrent against it. No downside for dealers and producers. The few people that do go to jail for possession alone now will be on the outside using, too.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Fare poont on the demand stream. As far as I can tell, this doesn't change anything for dealers.NorthwestFresh said:
I disagree on meth and heroin use being victimless crimes. Plenty of victims involved in making, distributing, and selling them, and many addicts have families and friends impacted by their use.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Good, let's separate victim-less crimes from the others.NorthwestFresh said:
Most aren’t in jail for possession. Most are in jail for the crimes they commit to gain possession of either heroin or meth. I’d add crack too, but in my limited but existent experience with drugs in Oregon, crack doesn’t seem to be nearly as big a problem as are meth and heroin.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I don't want anyone doing any of those, meth in particular. But they do. My only point is, what good is locking up these people? My mind has changed dramatically on this over the last 10 years.NorthwestFresh said:
Shrooms aren’t that big of a deal. Natural medicine. Same as weed. I’ve seen one of my best friends from college have his life ruined by meth and I’m extremely biased against it. There are zero positive results using meth. I can’t imagine a life that ever gets better by starting meth. Which then leads to crimes to support the habit.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Is what we're doing now changing any of that? Endless dump of money and pain for little result.NorthwestFresh said:
Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
I don’t have any real experience with heroin, so I won’t comment on it other than recovering addicts say it’s a horrible drug to need and the withdrawal sickness can make death feel like a better option.
Having done cocaine recreationally in my early 20s, it’s not really that big a deal to me and it’s not really physically addictive but I don’t see an upside to decriminalizing it, either.
I realize severe alcoholism has the same impact on friends and family, but that’s another topic.
Doesn’t really matter much anyhow since police forces in the cities here are getting smaller, anyhow.
2021 should be a big one for the meth and heroin trade.
I’m all for putting dealers away but decriminalizing small amounts won’t do any harm. I don’t think it will make a negative difference. -
Crack hasn’t been a thing for 20 years.Sledog said:Crack is equal to or worse than meth because they need it far more often. Average number of uses to addiction is 1. I dealt with this shit for almost 30 years. Most of the ones that cleaned up did it in jail. If they managed not to do serious jail time they died from it. Heroin too. Takes a lot longer to kill unless one of the nasty diseases from needles gets ya. Angel dust? Holy shit that stuff is bad news. It's all bad news. Legal weed has spawned an entire new crime industry around itself.
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Stop by the hood.Kaepsknee said:
Crack hasn’t been a thing for 20 years.Sledog said:Crack is equal to or worse than meth because they need it far more often. Average number of uses to addiction is 1. I dealt with this shit for almost 30 years. Most of the ones that cleaned up did it in jail. If they managed not to do serious jail time they died from it. Heroin too. Takes a lot longer to kill unless one of the nasty diseases from needles gets ya. Angel dust? Holy shit that stuff is bad news. It's all bad news. Legal weed has spawned an entire new crime industry around itself.
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Tell that to hunter Biden, mister. On one of his laptop videos, he talks of chewing a crack rock with Trident gum and having a numb mouth for a week. He’s truly hardcore.Kaepsknee said:
Crack hasn’t been a thing for 20 years.Sledog said:Crack is equal to or worse than meth because they need it far more often. Average number of uses to addiction is 1. I dealt with this shit for almost 30 years. Most of the ones that cleaned up did it in jail. If they managed not to do serious jail time they died from it. Heroin too. Takes a lot longer to kill unless one of the nasty diseases from needles gets ya. Angel dust? Holy shit that stuff is bad news. It's all bad news. Legal weed has spawned an entire new crime industry around itself.
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I was sitting on surveillance on Compton and watched a pimp get a big rock and was splitting it up with the girls. One grabbed a bigger chunk and he was slapping her around some. Hilarious. Not as good as as the dusters we'd call in the LA Sheriffs and watch the show! As my first FTO told me long ago "all these people out here are here for our entertainment" He had that right.
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Been there. There isn’t crack anymore. It’s pretty much all meth with a sprinkle of cocaine and a whole lot of heroin.Sledog said:
Stop by the hood.Kaepsknee said:
Crack hasn’t been a thing for 20 years.Sledog said:Crack is equal to or worse than meth because they need it far more often. Average number of uses to addiction is 1. I dealt with this shit for almost 30 years. Most of the ones that cleaned up did it in jail. If they managed not to do serious jail time they died from it. Heroin too. Takes a lot longer to kill unless one of the nasty diseases from needles gets ya. Angel dust? Holy shit that stuff is bad news. It's all bad news. Legal weed has spawned an entire new crime industry around itself.
Pain killers have gotten their guys in there as well and this new law allows possession of 40 or more. They’ve ruined just as many families and small towns as the above drugs.
It was a Federal crime to possess oxy and such before this law without prescription. Now it’s a $100 fine or counseling. Look for most to take the counseling and not show up. -
I know. Being concerned for already at risk families and people who can’t protect their own properties because they still work outside their home is such populist drivel.Duckwithabone said:
But but but but LAW & ORDER!!!!!! Somewhere out there are lonely pearls that need clutching.Kaepsknee said:RoadDawg55 said:
Why would burglaries and home invasions explode? Addicts that do that type of shit aren’t worried whether the drugs are decriminalized or not. They just want their fix.Kaepsknee said:
Noted idealogue weighs in. This was not the time to push this through. Once the eviction moratorium expires Jan 1st, there will be thousands more on the streets in Oregon.Duckwithabone said:I generally don’t think Oregonians make good governing decisions, but they nailed this. As usual the west coast is ahead of the curve.
Normalizing usage of highly addictive drugs like meth, Coke, heroin and oxy will destroy current solvent families and put more on the street in addition. Clearly you haven’t spent much time in our Cities on the West Coast other than the ‘Burbs to truly believe this is a good idea.
Property crimes, burglaries and home invasions will explode. Most property crimes now aren’t prosecuted and burglary suspects are mostly released on OR to never show up in court.
Believe the people that say they wish to see it all burn down.
I’m not sure if it’s a good thing or not. I’ll leave that to others but thinking this will create more crime is pretty stupid.
bUT tHE WaR oN dRuGs!!!
The battle cry for every millennial that watches a shitty Vice documentary.
Guess what happens when demand becomes more than supply. The suppliers ramp up their efforts. And then you end up with more addicts. When you have more addicts, you have more crime. Crimes that currently are rarely prosecuted. In Portland proper, crime is already up almost 200% for the year. It has little to do with riot crimes as few of those are prosecuted. It has more to do with the pandemic and the Economic carnage caused.
If you're OK with innocents suffering more due to dimestore Policy, just say that. And these faery tail rehab centers that don’t exist, never will. As Marijuana receipts aren’t close enough to fund them.
Bit of a reply fail as I meant to reply to both you and The Marshall -
Self fact check. It wasn’t a Fed crime to possess pain killers without a script. But a Felony.Kaepsknee said:
Been there. There isn’t crack anymore. It’s pretty much all meth with a sprinkle of cocaine and a whole lot of heroin.Sledog said:
Stop by the hood.Kaepsknee said:
Crack hasn’t been a thing for 20 years.Sledog said:Crack is equal to or worse than meth because they need it far more often. Average number of uses to addiction is 1. I dealt with this shit for almost 30 years. Most of the ones that cleaned up did it in jail. If they managed not to do serious jail time they died from it. Heroin too. Takes a lot longer to kill unless one of the nasty diseases from needles gets ya. Angel dust? Holy shit that stuff is bad news. It's all bad news. Legal weed has spawned an entire new crime industry around itself.
Pain killers have gotten their guys in there as well and this new law allows possession of 40 or more. They’ve ruined just as many families and small towns as the above drugs.
It was a Federal crime to possess oxy and such before this law without prescription. Now it’s a $100 fine or counseling. Look for most to take the counseling and not show up. -
I feel pretty confident that I'm the superiority guy of this thread. Long story short I'll just say don't expect there to be much of a change in drug related crimes or usage. This won't embolden anyone to take up heroin, nor will it make a meth user start buying 2g at a time instead of a ball or quarter.
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Heroin and meth use have been tolerated by city officials in Portland and Seattle for the last 5 years or so and that has worked out great. Expect a big uptick in use from addicts wandering in from out of state to take advantage of being able to shoot drugs into their arms and then go out and shit themselves in front of Pioneer Place. Then there’s all the ancillary crime that this brings so you’ll see a big surge in that. Good job Portland.
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This isn't the 80s anymore you senile dipshit.Sledog said:I was sitting on surveillance on Compton and watched a pimp get a big rock and was splitting it up with the girls. One grabbed a bigger chunk and he was slapping her around some. Hilarious. Not as good as as the dusters we'd call in the LA Sheriffs and watch the show! As my first FTO told me long ago "all these people out here are here for our entertainment" He had that right.
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Portland and Seattle are beyond hope for many reasons. If it's statewide, then people won't flock as much to insert ultra liberal commie city here. We have double the amount of people in prison than we should. It's become a racket. Invest some of the 45 year failed War on Drug money and private for profit prison $ into rehab, job training, and infrastructure.thechatch said:Heroin and meth use have been tolerated by city officials in Portland and Seattle for the last 5 years or so and that has worked out great. Expect a big uptick in use from addicts wandering in from out of state to take advantage of being able to shoot drugs into their arms and then go out and shit themselves in front of Pioneer Place. Then there’s all the ancillary crime that this brings so you’ll see a big surge in that. Good job Portland.
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Everyone fancies themselves a Libertarian until their windows get busted out and their shit is stolen.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
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Already happened to me. Skylight actually.Kaepsknee said:
Everyone fancies themselves a Libertarian until their windows get busted out and their shit is stolen.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
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Decriminalization will obviously help these productive members of society. They are released immediately because the police and DA doesn’t want to deal with the withdrawals if they get incarcerated.
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Poont of clarity, laws on the books allowing synthetic opiods to be promoted are exactly what caused the new opioid epidemic.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Addict levels remain the same no matter the laws.Kaepsknee said:RoadDawg55 said:
Why would burglaries and home invasions explode? Addicts that do that type of shit aren’t worried whether the drugs are decriminalized or not. They just want their fix.Kaepsknee said:
Noted idealogue weighs in. This was not the time to push this through. Once the eviction moratorium expires Jan 1st, there will be thousands more on the streets in Oregon.Duckwithabone said:I generally don’t think Oregonians make good governing decisions, but they nailed this. As usual the west coast is ahead of the curve.
Normalizing usage of highly addictive drugs like meth, Coke, heroin and oxy will destroy current solvent families and put more on the street in addition. Clearly you haven’t spent much time in our Cities on the West Coast other than the ‘Burbs to truly believe this is a good idea.
Property crimes, burglaries and home invasions will explode. Most property crimes now aren’t prosecuted and burglary suspects are mostly released on OR to never show up in court.
Believe the people that say they wish to see it all burn down.
I’m not sure if it’s a good thing or not. I’ll leave that to others but thinking this will create more crime is pretty stupid.
bUT tHE WaR oN dRuGs!!!
The battle cry for every millennial that watches a shitty Vice documentary.
Guess what happens when demand becomes more than supply. The suppliers ramp up their efforts. And then you end up with more addicts. When you have more addicts, you have more crime. Crimes that currently are rarely prosecuted. In Portland proper, crime is already up almost 200% for the year. It has little to do with riot crimes as few of those are prosecuted. It has more to do with the pandemic and the Economic carnage caused.
If you're OK with innocents suffering more due to dimestore Policy, just say that. And these faery tail rehab centers that don’t exist, never will. As Marijuana receipts aren’t close enough to fund them.
Bit of a reply fail as I meant to reply to both you and The Marshall
Crack is still a thing too btw. I could score some right now if I wanted. Meth is definitely more popular though. -
That isn’t something political. People are upset when that happens to them.Kaepsknee said:
Everyone fancies themselves a Libertarian until their windows get busted out and their shit is stolen.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
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Fuck these purple are ugly! No wonder they're so angry. Net Any of those chicks could whip GED Dawgs assNorthwestFresh said:Decriminalization will obviously help these productive members of society. They are released immediately because the police and DA doesn’t want to deal with the withdrawals if they get incarcerated.
