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Tucker: Trump is an indictment of America's ruling class

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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,553 Founders Club
    creepycoug said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    Tucker has accidentally tripped over some truths here, though he misinterprets them. Even he won't say Trump loves those people, though he indicts the "ruling class" for not loving them either.

    By not hating them and not trying to make them poorer with his policies like Biden and the Rats have done Trump has shown them all the "love" he needs to. Trump doesn't shit on their values and like them he loves the country.
    That's basically the point. Nobody with a brain thinks Trump is down in the weeds with these people. But that's not the test. Nobody who makes it there is leaving their shift at the factory to assume office. By the time they're running they are alienated from any semblance of working class experience. And most/alot of them have come from very elite backgrounds and are generations removed from working hard.

    The test is not who you are, but what you stand for. Your policies either help me or they don't. Trump's policies are better for those people. The rest of campaign rhetoric and doing what you have to do to win, something on which Hillary completely whiffed on the last go-round with Donald.
    Trump wouldn't want his kids to go to school with my kids because my kid's dad was too poor to afford the schools where Trump's kids went

    Only Joe Biden would be dumb enough to say he didn't want his kids to go to school with my kids because my kids are Black

    That's a big difference IMO
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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,914 Standard Supporter
    RaceBannon said:

    creepycoug said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    Tucker has accidentally tripped over some truths here, though he misinterprets them. Even he won't say Trump loves those people, though he indicts the "ruling class" for not loving them either.

    By not hating them and not trying to make them poorer with his policies like Biden and the Rats have done Trump has shown them all the "love" he needs to. Trump doesn't shit on their values and like them he loves the country.
    That's basically the point. Nobody with a brain thinks Trump is down in the weeds with these people. But that's not the test. Nobody who makes it there is leaving their shift at the factory to assume office. By the time they're running they are alienated from any semblance of working class experience. And most/alot of them have come from very elite backgrounds and are generations removed from working hard.

    The test is not who you are, but what you stand for. Your policies either help me or they don't. Trump's policies are better for those people. The rest of campaign rhetoric and doing what you have to do to win, something on which Hillary completely whiffed on the last go-round with Donald.
    Trump wouldn't want his kids to go to school with my kids because my kid's dad was too poor to afford the schools where Trump's kids went

    Only Joe Biden would be dumb enough to say he didn't want his kids to go to school with my kids because my kids are Black

    That's a big difference IMO
    Any difference with Trump's position on who his kids hang with and who barry's kids hang with? No public schools for them. At least Trump supports private school tuition vouchers for your kids while barry doesn't.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    creepycoug said:

    SFGbob said:

    creepycoug said:

    I like Tucker ... quite a bit actually. I think he's at his best when he's a little more pissed off.

    At any rate, a law professor at UC Hastings wrote a piece, I think in the Harvard Business Review, right after the first election. It's a good read. She really gets in to this distinction between the professional class and the elite wealth ruling class.

    Tucker, in this piece, is making her same overall point, but he's conflating those two classes. I don't think the professional class is the ruling class. I don't think they are to blame for fucking things up because I don't think they have that much power.

    I get what he's getting at ... the upper middle class and well educated professional who will only live on a coast or Chicago who looks down his nose at people with dirt under their finger nails. But are they really the people who fucked things up here? Are they the "ruling class"?

    Chintresting either way.

    I thought it was the Christian Right that had all the power.
    I don't think I've ever said that. I've said that the Christian right has wielded a lot of influence in American politics, and I've not experienced or observed anything since the last time I wrote that to now to change my mind. I'm open to an alternative view.
    Whatever power or influence the Christian Right has is a fraction of the power and influence of the Religious Left.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    creepycoug said:

    I am not an O&G guy, but I work at a company with passive interests in it. There was a time when it was scaring the shit out of people. I had our guy, a petroleum engineer who's been in this space for decades, explain it to me. Again, not my area, but it didn't seem that much different from an environmental hazard standpoint than drilling vertically. That conversation is now 5 to 10 years old, but that's what I recall.

    You mean it doesn't make local drinking water flammable?
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,337
    creepycoug said:

    I am not an O&G guy, but I work at a company with passive interests in it. There was a time when it was scaring the shit out of people. I had our guy, a petroleum engineer who's been in this space for decades, explain it to me. Again, not my area, but it didn't seem that much different from an environmental hazard standpoint than drilling vertically. That conversation is now 5 to 10 years old, but that's what I recall.

    I don't know whether multiple toxic chemicals are used in vertical drilling. They are in fracking.
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,545 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    creepycoug said:

    I am not an O&G guy, but I work at a company with passive interests in it. There was a time when it was scaring the shit out of people. I had our guy, a petroleum engineer who's been in this space for decades, explain it to me. Again, not my area, but it didn't seem that much different from an environmental hazard standpoint than drilling vertically. That conversation is now 5 to 10 years old, but that's what I recall.

    I don't know whether multiple toxic chemicals are used in vertical drilling. They are in fracking.
    There's fucking toxic chemicals in your drinking water, dipshit. What a goddamned hyperbolic statement. Christ, enough oxygen can kill a person.

    Leave your oil business ignorance to those of us who actually play in the game.

    Raising the bar of fucktard once again, Dazzler.


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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    PurpleThrobber said:

    HHusky said:

    creepycoug said:

    I am not an O&G guy, but I work at a company with passive interests in it. There was a time when it was scaring the shit out of people. I had our guy, a petroleum engineer who's been in this space for decades, explain it to me. Again, not my area, but it didn't seem that much different from an environmental hazard standpoint than drilling vertically. That conversation is now 5 to 10 years old, but that's what I recall.

    I don't know whether multiple toxic chemicals are used in vertical drilling. They are in fracking.
    There's fucking toxic chemicals in your drinking water, dipshit. What a goddamned hyperbolic statement. Christ, enough oxygen can kill a person.

    Leave your oil business ignorance to those of us who actually play in the game.

    Raising the bar of fucktard once again, Dazzler.


    Dazzler has very, very strong feelings on the topic. Don't denigrate his feelings.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,553 Founders Club
    Biden is FOR fracking anyway

    Until the end of the day at least
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  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Dazzler is a Principled GOP’er who voted for Biden
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