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Tucker: Trump is an indictment of America's ruling class

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  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,560 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    I like Tucker ... quite a bit actually. I think he's at his best when he's a little more pissed off.

    At any rate, a law professor at UC Hastings wrote a piece, I think in the Harvard Business Review, right after the first election. It's a good read. She really gets in to this distinction between the professional class and the elite wealth ruling class.

    Tucker, in this piece, is making her same overall point, but he's conflating those two classes. I don't think the professional class is the ruling class. I don't think they are to blame for fucking things up because I don't think they have that much power.

    I get what he's getting at ... the upper middle class and well educated professional who will only live on a coast or Chicago who looks down his nose at people with dirt under their finger nails. But are they really the people who fucked things up here? Are they the "ruling class"?

    Chintresting either way.

    Good poast.

    Professionals looking down on rural America isn't why they're not building railroad cars in Butler, Pa. People who allegedly love capitalism need to recognize that creative destruction means someone loses.
    Is banning fracking part of that love of capitalism Dazzler? People living in Butler realize that the economy can't stay the same but they also realize that Rats like Biden are more than willing to sell them out in order to placate the AOC wing of his party.
    You're making my point. So Trump was elected on the backs of millions of resentments. I've only been saying that for four years.
    So being energy independent and the jobs that come with it is a "resentment"?

    Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

    The only resentment I am seeing is the butt hurt libs crying about Trump for 5 years
    But if someone proposes that the fracking industry be regulated so as not to impose its negative externalities on others and/or be required to bear the true costs of its activities, you girls think that's "socialism".
    Fuck off Dazzler, your party isn't backing "regulation" of fracking. They want it banned and eliminated. Fracking is all ready "regulated" you fucking dishonest hack.
    Fracking is clearly economical as long as third parties bear enough of its costs. Is it economical when the industry bears them? Maybe. But that isn't what's been happening. Some want it eliminated for that reason, sure.
    What are the costs of fracking? Don't hurt yourself. What are the costs of not fracking? $5 a gallon gasoline.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,666
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    I like Tucker ... quite a bit actually. I think he's at his best when he's a little more pissed off.

    At any rate, a law professor at UC Hastings wrote a piece, I think in the Harvard Business Review, right after the first election. It's a good read. She really gets in to this distinction between the professional class and the elite wealth ruling class.

    Tucker, in this piece, is making her same overall point, but he's conflating those two classes. I don't think the professional class is the ruling class. I don't think they are to blame for fucking things up because I don't think they have that much power.

    I get what he's getting at ... the upper middle class and well educated professional who will only live on a coast or Chicago who looks down his nose at people with dirt under their finger nails. But are they really the people who fucked things up here? Are they the "ruling class"?

    Chintresting either way.

    Good poast.

    Professionals looking down on rural America isn't why they're not building railroad cars in Butler, Pa. People who allegedly love capitalism need to recognize that creative destruction means someone loses.
    Is banning fracking part of that love of capitalism Dazzler? People living in Butler realize that the economy can't stay the same but they also realize that Rats like Biden are more than willing to sell them out in order to placate the AOC wing of his party.
    You're making my point. So Trump was elected on the backs of millions of resentments. I've only been saying that for four years.
    So being energy independent and the jobs that come with it is a "resentment"?

    Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

    The only resentment I am seeing is the butt hurt libs crying about Trump for 5 years
    But if someone proposes that the fracking industry be regulated so as not to impose its negative externalities on others and/or be required to bear the true costs of its activities, you girls think that's "socialism".
    Fuck off Dazzler, your party isn't backing "regulation" of fracking. They want it banned and eliminated. Fracking is all ready "regulated" you fucking dishonest hack.
    Fracking is clearly economical as long as third parties bear enough of its costs. Is it economical when the industry bears them? Maybe. But that isn't what's been happening. Some want it eliminated for that reason, sure.
    Translation: Please ignore the fact that I just lied my ass off and claimed the Rats only want to regulate fracking, won't you please chase after my diversion?
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,360

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    I like Tucker ... quite a bit actually. I think he's at his best when he's a little more pissed off.

    At any rate, a law professor at UC Hastings wrote a piece, I think in the Harvard Business Review, right after the first election. It's a good read. She really gets in to this distinction between the professional class and the elite wealth ruling class.

    Tucker, in this piece, is making her same overall point, but he's conflating those two classes. I don't think the professional class is the ruling class. I don't think they are to blame for fucking things up because I don't think they have that much power.

    I get what he's getting at ... the upper middle class and well educated professional who will only live on a coast or Chicago who looks down his nose at people with dirt under their finger nails. But are they really the people who fucked things up here? Are they the "ruling class"?

    Chintresting either way.

    Good poast.

    Professionals looking down on rural America isn't why they're not building railroad cars in Butler, Pa. People who allegedly love capitalism need to recognize that creative destruction means someone loses.
    Is banning fracking part of that love of capitalism Dazzler? People living in Butler realize that the economy can't stay the same but they also realize that Rats like Biden are more than willing to sell them out in order to placate the AOC wing of his party.
    You're making my point. So Trump was elected on the backs of millions of resentments. I've only been saying that for four years.
    So being energy independent and the jobs that come with it is a "resentment"?

    Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

    The only resentment I am seeing is the butt hurt libs crying about Trump for 5 years
    But if someone proposes that the fracking industry be regulated so as not to impose its negative externalities on others and/or be required to bear the true costs of its activities, you girls think that's "socialism".
    Fuck off Dazzler, your party isn't backing "regulation" of fracking. They want it banned and eliminated. Fracking is all ready "regulated" you fucking dishonest hack.
    Fracking is clearly economical as long as third parties bear enough of its costs. Is it economical when the industry bears them? Maybe. But that isn't what's been happening. Some want it eliminated for that reason, sure.
    What are the costs of fracking? Don't hurt yourself. What are the costs of not fracking? $5 a gallon gasoline.
    Apparently Oregon doesn't have an econ department.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,666
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    I like Tucker ... quite a bit actually. I think he's at his best when he's a little more pissed off.

    At any rate, a law professor at UC Hastings wrote a piece, I think in the Harvard Business Review, right after the first election. It's a good read. She really gets in to this distinction between the professional class and the elite wealth ruling class.

    Tucker, in this piece, is making her same overall point, but he's conflating those two classes. I don't think the professional class is the ruling class. I don't think they are to blame for fucking things up because I don't think they have that much power.

    I get what he's getting at ... the upper middle class and well educated professional who will only live on a coast or Chicago who looks down his nose at people with dirt under their finger nails. But are they really the people who fucked things up here? Are they the "ruling class"?

    Chintresting either way.

    Good poast.

    Professionals looking down on rural America isn't why they're not building railroad cars in Butler, Pa. People who allegedly love capitalism need to recognize that creative destruction means someone loses.
    Is banning fracking part of that love of capitalism Dazzler? People living in Butler realize that the economy can't stay the same but they also realize that Rats like Biden are more than willing to sell them out in order to placate the AOC wing of his party.
    You're making my point. So Trump was elected on the backs of millions of resentments. I've only been saying that for four years.
    So being energy independent and the jobs that come with it is a "resentment"?

    Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

    The only resentment I am seeing is the butt hurt libs crying about Trump for 5 years
    But if someone proposes that the fracking industry be regulated so as not to impose its negative externalities on others and/or be required to bear the true costs of its activities, you girls think that's "socialism".
    Fuck off Dazzler, your party isn't backing "regulation" of fracking. They want it banned and eliminated. Fracking is all ready "regulated" you fucking dishonest hack.
    Fracking is clearly economical as long as third parties bear enough of its costs. Is it economical when the industry bears them? Maybe. But that isn't what's been happening. Some want it eliminated for that reason, sure.
    What are the costs of fracking? Don't hurt yourself. What are the costs of not fracking? $5 a gallon gasoline.
    Apparently Oregon doesn't have an econ department.
    White flag.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,560 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    I like Tucker ... quite a bit actually. I think he's at his best when he's a little more pissed off.

    At any rate, a law professor at UC Hastings wrote a piece, I think in the Harvard Business Review, right after the first election. It's a good read. She really gets in to this distinction between the professional class and the elite wealth ruling class.

    Tucker, in this piece, is making her same overall point, but he's conflating those two classes. I don't think the professional class is the ruling class. I don't think they are to blame for fucking things up because I don't think they have that much power.

    I get what he's getting at ... the upper middle class and well educated professional who will only live on a coast or Chicago who looks down his nose at people with dirt under their finger nails. But are they really the people who fucked things up here? Are they the "ruling class"?

    Chintresting either way.

    Good poast.

    Professionals looking down on rural America isn't why they're not building railroad cars in Butler, Pa. People who allegedly love capitalism need to recognize that creative destruction means someone loses.
    Is banning fracking part of that love of capitalism Dazzler? People living in Butler realize that the economy can't stay the same but they also realize that Rats like Biden are more than willing to sell them out in order to placate the AOC wing of his party.
    You're making my point. So Trump was elected on the backs of millions of resentments. I've only been saying that for four years.
    So being energy independent and the jobs that come with it is a "resentment"?

    Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

    The only resentment I am seeing is the butt hurt libs crying about Trump for 5 years
    But if someone proposes that the fracking industry be regulated so as not to impose its negative externalities on others and/or be required to bear the true costs of its activities, you girls think that's "socialism".
    Fuck off Dazzler, your party isn't backing "regulation" of fracking. They want it banned and eliminated. Fracking is all ready "regulated" you fucking dishonest hack.
    Fracking is clearly economical as long as third parties bear enough of its costs. Is it economical when the industry bears them? Maybe. But that isn't what's been happening. Some want it eliminated for that reason, sure.
    What are the costs of fracking? Don't hurt yourself. What are the costs of not fracking? $5 a gallon gasoline.
    Apparently Oregon doesn't have an econ department.
    White flag.
    That's the problem with arguing with leftards like the dazzler who think that strong feelings overcome facts. Everyone "knows" of the horrible external costs of fracking. So, the dazzler will just state that fracking has horrible external costs and think he has made some great point. I'm not sure what Econ 101 has to do with the external costs of fracking that can't be enumerated or quantified.
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    I like Tucker ... quite a bit actually. I think he's at his best when he's a little more pissed off.

    At any rate, a law professor at UC Hastings wrote a piece, I think in the Harvard Business Review, right after the first election. It's a good read. She really gets in to this distinction between the professional class and the elite wealth ruling class.

    Tucker, in this piece, is making her same overall point, but he's conflating those two classes. I don't think the professional class is the ruling class. I don't think they are to blame for fucking things up because I don't think they have that much power.

    I get what he's getting at ... the upper middle class and well educated professional who will only live on a coast or Chicago who looks down his nose at people with dirt under their finger nails. But are they really the people who fucked things up here? Are they the "ruling class"?

    Chintresting either way.

    Good poast.

    Professionals looking down on rural America isn't why they're not building railroad cars in Butler, Pa. People who allegedly love capitalism need to recognize that creative destruction means someone loses.
    Is banning fracking part of that love of capitalism Dazzler? People living in Butler realize that the economy can't stay the same but they also realize that Rats like Biden are more than willing to sell them out in order to placate the AOC wing of his party.
    You're making my point. So Trump was elected on the backs of millions of resentments. I've only been saying that for four years.
    So being energy independent and the jobs that come with it is a "resentment"?

    Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

    The only resentment I am seeing is the butt hurt libs crying about Trump for 5 years
    But if someone proposes that the fracking industry be regulated so as not to impose its negative externalities on others and/or be required to bear the true costs of its activities, you girls think that's "socialism".
    Fuck off Dazzler, your party isn't backing "regulation" of fracking. They want it banned and eliminated. Fracking is all ready "regulated" you fucking dishonest hack.
    Fracking is clearly economical as long as third parties bear enough of its costs. Is it economical when the industry bears them? Maybe. But that isn't what's been happening. Some want it eliminated for that reason, sure.
    What are the costs of fracking? Don't hurt yourself. What are the costs of not fracking? $5 $10 a gallon gasoline.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 106,843 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    I'm not looking for a daddy like some folks here

    So you're voting Trump for his good looks.
    Like I have said a million times

    It is policy

    You keep looking for daddy
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,500
    edited November 2020
    SFGbob said:

    I like Tucker ... quite a bit actually. I think he's at his best when he's a little more pissed off.

    At any rate, a law professor at UC Hastings wrote a piece, I think in the Harvard Business Review, right after the first election. It's a good read. She really gets in to this distinction between the professional class and the elite wealth ruling class.

    Tucker, in this piece, is making her same overall point, but he's conflating those two classes. I don't think the professional class is the ruling class. I don't think they are to blame for fucking things up because I don't think they have that much power.

    I get what he's getting at ... the upper middle class and well educated professional who will only live on a coast or Chicago who looks down his nose at people with dirt under their finger nails. But are they really the people who fucked things up here? Are they the "ruling class"?

    Chintresting either way.

    I thought it was the Christian Right that had all the power.
    I don't think I've ever said that. I've said that the Christian right has wielded a lot of influence in American politics, and I've not experienced or observed anything since the last time I wrote that to now to change my mind. I'm open to an alternative view.
  • HouhuskyHouhusky Member Posts: 5,537
    We need to acknowledge the external cost of no longer being controlled by a criminal and dictator controlled multinational cartel.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,500
    I am not an O&G guy, but I work at a company with passive interests in it. There was a time when it was scaring the shit out of people. I had our guy, a petroleum engineer who's been in this space for decades, explain it to me. Again, not my area, but it didn't seem that much different from an environmental hazard standpoint than drilling vertically. That conversation is now 5 to 10 years old, but that's what I recall.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 106,843 Founders Club

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    Tucker has accidentally tripped over some truths here, though he misinterprets them. Even he won't say Trump loves those people, though he indicts the "ruling class" for not loving them either.

    By not hating them and not trying to make them poorer with his policies like Biden and the Rats have done Trump has shown them all the "love" he needs to. Trump doesn't shit on their values and like them he loves the country.
    That's basically the point. Nobody with a brain thinks Trump is down in the weeds with these people. But that's not the test. Nobody who makes it there is leaving their shift at the factory to assume office. By the time they're running they are alienated from any semblance of working class experience. And most/alot of them have come from very elite backgrounds and are generations removed from working hard.

    The test is not who you are, but what you stand for. Your policies either help me or they don't. Trump's policies are better for those people. The rest of campaign rhetoric and doing what you have to do to win, something on which Hillary completely whiffed on the last go-round with Donald.
    Trump wouldn't want his kids to go to school with my kids because my kid's dad was too poor to afford the schools where Trump's kids went

    Only Joe Biden would be dumb enough to say he didn't want his kids to go to school with my kids because my kids are Black

    That's a big difference IMO
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,560 Standard Supporter

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    Tucker has accidentally tripped over some truths here, though he misinterprets them. Even he won't say Trump loves those people, though he indicts the "ruling class" for not loving them either.

    By not hating them and not trying to make them poorer with his policies like Biden and the Rats have done Trump has shown them all the "love" he needs to. Trump doesn't shit on their values and like them he loves the country.
    That's basically the point. Nobody with a brain thinks Trump is down in the weeds with these people. But that's not the test. Nobody who makes it there is leaving their shift at the factory to assume office. By the time they're running they are alienated from any semblance of working class experience. And most/alot of them have come from very elite backgrounds and are generations removed from working hard.

    The test is not who you are, but what you stand for. Your policies either help me or they don't. Trump's policies are better for those people. The rest of campaign rhetoric and doing what you have to do to win, something on which Hillary completely whiffed on the last go-round with Donald.
    Trump wouldn't want his kids to go to school with my kids because my kid's dad was too poor to afford the schools where Trump's kids went

    Only Joe Biden would be dumb enough to say he didn't want his kids to go to school with my kids because my kids are Black

    That's a big difference IMO
    Any difference with Trump's position on who his kids hang with and who barry's kids hang with? No public schools for them. At least Trump supports private school tuition vouchers for your kids while barry doesn't.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,666

    SFGbob said:

    I like Tucker ... quite a bit actually. I think he's at his best when he's a little more pissed off.

    At any rate, a law professor at UC Hastings wrote a piece, I think in the Harvard Business Review, right after the first election. It's a good read. She really gets in to this distinction between the professional class and the elite wealth ruling class.

    Tucker, in this piece, is making her same overall point, but he's conflating those two classes. I don't think the professional class is the ruling class. I don't think they are to blame for fucking things up because I don't think they have that much power.

    I get what he's getting at ... the upper middle class and well educated professional who will only live on a coast or Chicago who looks down his nose at people with dirt under their finger nails. But are they really the people who fucked things up here? Are they the "ruling class"?

    Chintresting either way.

    I thought it was the Christian Right that had all the power.
    I don't think I've ever said that. I've said that the Christian right has wielded a lot of influence in American politics, and I've not experienced or observed anything since the last time I wrote that to now to change my mind. I'm open to an alternative view.
    Whatever power or influence the Christian Right has is a fraction of the power and influence of the Religious Left.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,666

    I am not an O&G guy, but I work at a company with passive interests in it. There was a time when it was scaring the shit out of people. I had our guy, a petroleum engineer who's been in this space for decades, explain it to me. Again, not my area, but it didn't seem that much different from an environmental hazard standpoint than drilling vertically. That conversation is now 5 to 10 years old, but that's what I recall.

    You mean it doesn't make local drinking water flammable?
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,360

    I am not an O&G guy, but I work at a company with passive interests in it. There was a time when it was scaring the shit out of people. I had our guy, a petroleum engineer who's been in this space for decades, explain it to me. Again, not my area, but it didn't seem that much different from an environmental hazard standpoint than drilling vertically. That conversation is now 5 to 10 years old, but that's what I recall.

    I don't know whether multiple toxic chemicals are used in vertical drilling. They are in fracking.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,537 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    I am not an O&G guy, but I work at a company with passive interests in it. There was a time when it was scaring the shit out of people. I had our guy, a petroleum engineer who's been in this space for decades, explain it to me. Again, not my area, but it didn't seem that much different from an environmental hazard standpoint than drilling vertically. That conversation is now 5 to 10 years old, but that's what I recall.

    I don't know whether multiple toxic chemicals are used in vertical drilling. They are in fracking.
    There's fucking toxic chemicals in your drinking water, dipshit. What a goddamned hyperbolic statement. Christ, enough oxygen can kill a person.

    Leave your oil business ignorance to those of us who actually play in the game.

    Raising the bar of fucktard once again, Dazzler.


  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,666

    HHusky said:

    I am not an O&G guy, but I work at a company with passive interests in it. There was a time when it was scaring the shit out of people. I had our guy, a petroleum engineer who's been in this space for decades, explain it to me. Again, not my area, but it didn't seem that much different from an environmental hazard standpoint than drilling vertically. That conversation is now 5 to 10 years old, but that's what I recall.

    I don't know whether multiple toxic chemicals are used in vertical drilling. They are in fracking.
    There's fucking toxic chemicals in your drinking water, dipshit. What a goddamned hyperbolic statement. Christ, enough oxygen can kill a person.

    Leave your oil business ignorance to those of us who actually play in the game.

    Raising the bar of fucktard once again, Dazzler.


    Dazzler has very, very strong feelings on the topic. Don't denigrate his feelings.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 106,843 Founders Club
    Biden is FOR fracking anyway

    Until the end of the day at least
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Dazzler is a Principled GOP’er who voted for Biden
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