Tucker: Trump is an indictment of America's ruling class
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That's basically the point. Nobody with a brain thinks Trump is down in the weeds with these people. But that's not the test. Nobody who makes it there is leaving their shift at the factory to assume office. By the time they're running they are alienated from any semblance of working class experience. And most/alot of them have come from very elite backgrounds and are generations removed from working hard.SFGbob said:
By not hating them and not trying to make them poorer with his policies like Biden and the Rats have done Trump has shown them all the "love" he needs to. Trump doesn't shit on their values and like them he loves the country.HHusky said:Tucker has accidentally tripped over some truths here, though he misinterprets them. Even he won't say Trump loves those people, though he indicts the "ruling class" for not loving them either.
The test is not who you are, but what you stand for. Your policies either help me or they don't. Trump's policies are better for those people. The rest is campaign rhetoric and doing what you have to do to win, something on which Hillary completely whiffed the last go-round with Donald. -
Trump wouldn't want his kids to go to school with my kids because my kid's dad was too poor to afford the schools where Trump's kids wentcreepycoug said:
That's basically the point. Nobody with a brain thinks Trump is down in the weeds with these people. But that's not the test. Nobody who makes it there is leaving their shift at the factory to assume office. By the time they're running they are alienated from any semblance of working class experience. And most/alot of them have come from very elite backgrounds and are generations removed from working hard.SFGbob said:
By not hating them and not trying to make them poorer with his policies like Biden and the Rats have done Trump has shown them all the "love" he needs to. Trump doesn't shit on their values and like them he loves the country.HHusky said:Tucker has accidentally tripped over some truths here, though he misinterprets them. Even he won't say Trump loves those people, though he indicts the "ruling class" for not loving them either.
The test is not who you are, but what you stand for. Your policies either help me or they don't. Trump's policies are better for those people. The rest of campaign rhetoric and doing what you have to do to win, something on which Hillary completely whiffed on the last go-round with Donald.
Only Joe Biden would be dumb enough to say he didn't want his kids to go to school with my kids because my kids are Black
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Any difference with Trump's position on who his kids hang with and who barry's kids hang with? No public schools for them. At least Trump supports private school tuition vouchers for your kids while barry doesn't.RaceBannon said:
Trump wouldn't want his kids to go to school with my kids because my kid's dad was too poor to afford the schools where Trump's kids wentcreepycoug said:
That's basically the point. Nobody with a brain thinks Trump is down in the weeds with these people. But that's not the test. Nobody who makes it there is leaving their shift at the factory to assume office. By the time they're running they are alienated from any semblance of working class experience. And most/alot of them have come from very elite backgrounds and are generations removed from working hard.SFGbob said:
By not hating them and not trying to make them poorer with his policies like Biden and the Rats have done Trump has shown them all the "love" he needs to. Trump doesn't shit on their values and like them he loves the country.HHusky said:Tucker has accidentally tripped over some truths here, though he misinterprets them. Even he won't say Trump loves those people, though he indicts the "ruling class" for not loving them either.
The test is not who you are, but what you stand for. Your policies either help me or they don't. Trump's policies are better for those people. The rest of campaign rhetoric and doing what you have to do to win, something on which Hillary completely whiffed on the last go-round with Donald.
Only Joe Biden would be dumb enough to say he didn't want his kids to go to school with my kids because my kids are Black
That's a big difference IMO -
Whatever power or influence the Christian Right has is a fraction of the power and influence of the Religious Left.creepycoug said:
I don't think I've ever said that. I've said that the Christian right has wielded a lot of influence in American politics, and I've not experienced or observed anything since the last time I wrote that to now to change my mind. I'm open to an alternative view.SFGbob said:
I thought it was the Christian Right that had all the power.creepycoug said:I like Tucker ... quite a bit actually. I think he's at his best when he's a little more pissed off.
At any rate, a law professor at UC Hastings wrote a piece, I think in the Harvard Business Review, right after the first election. It's a good read. She really gets in to this distinction between the professional class and the elite wealth ruling class.
Tucker, in this piece, is making her same overall point, but he's conflating those two classes. I don't think the professional class is the ruling class. I don't think they are to blame for fucking things up because I don't think they have that much power.
I get what he's getting at ... the upper middle class and well educated professional who will only live on a coast or Chicago who looks down his nose at people with dirt under their finger nails. But are they really the people who fucked things up here? Are they the "ruling class"?
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You mean it doesn't make local drinking water flammable?creepycoug said:I am not an O&G guy, but I work at a company with passive interests in it. There was a time when it was scaring the shit out of people. I had our guy, a petroleum engineer who's been in this space for decades, explain it to me. Again, not my area, but it didn't seem that much different from an environmental hazard standpoint than drilling vertically. That conversation is now 5 to 10 years old, but that's what I recall.
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I don't know whether multiple toxic chemicals are used in vertical drilling. They are in fracking.creepycoug said:I am not an O&G guy, but I work at a company with passive interests in it. There was a time when it was scaring the shit out of people. I had our guy, a petroleum engineer who's been in this space for decades, explain it to me. Again, not my area, but it didn't seem that much different from an environmental hazard standpoint than drilling vertically. That conversation is now 5 to 10 years old, but that's what I recall.
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There's fucking toxic chemicals in your drinking water, dipshit. What a goddamned hyperbolic statement. Christ, enough oxygen can kill a person.HHusky said:
I don't know whether multiple toxic chemicals are used in vertical drilling. They are in fracking.creepycoug said:I am not an O&G guy, but I work at a company with passive interests in it. There was a time when it was scaring the shit out of people. I had our guy, a petroleum engineer who's been in this space for decades, explain it to me. Again, not my area, but it didn't seem that much different from an environmental hazard standpoint than drilling vertically. That conversation is now 5 to 10 years old, but that's what I recall.
Leave your oil business ignorance to those of us who actually play in the game.
Raising the bar of fucktard once again, Dazzler.
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Dazzler has very, very strong feelings on the topic. Don't denigrate his feelings.PurpleThrobber said:
There's fucking toxic chemicals in your drinking water, dipshit. What a goddamned hyperbolic statement. Christ, enough oxygen can kill a person.HHusky said:
I don't know whether multiple toxic chemicals are used in vertical drilling. They are in fracking.creepycoug said:I am not an O&G guy, but I work at a company with passive interests in it. There was a time when it was scaring the shit out of people. I had our guy, a petroleum engineer who's been in this space for decades, explain it to me. Again, not my area, but it didn't seem that much different from an environmental hazard standpoint than drilling vertically. That conversation is now 5 to 10 years old, but that's what I recall.
Leave your oil business ignorance to those of us who actually play in the game.
Raising the bar of fucktard once again, Dazzler. -
Biden is FOR fracking anyway
Until the end of the day at least -
Dazzler is a Principled GOP’er who voted for Biden
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The dazzler is worried about too much dihydrogen monoxide in his tap water.
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Think how conflicted Dazzler is knowing that Joe supports fracking despite all of those toxic chemicals ruining the environment.RaceBannon said:Biden is FOR fracking anyway
Until the end of the day at least -
Just like the dazzler was butt hurt that barry didn't support gay marriage in 2008. Leftards lie and love to be lied to.
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That may be. That will be put to the test tonight.SFGbob said:
Whatever power or influence the Christian Right has is a fraction of the power and influence of the Religious Left.creepycoug said:
I don't think I've ever said that. I've said that the Christian right has wielded a lot of influence in American politics, and I've not experienced or observed anything since the last time I wrote that to now to change my mind. I'm open to an alternative view.SFGbob said:
I thought it was the Christian Right that had all the power.creepycoug said:I like Tucker ... quite a bit actually. I think he's at his best when he's a little more pissed off.
At any rate, a law professor at UC Hastings wrote a piece, I think in the Harvard Business Review, right after the first election. It's a good read. She really gets in to this distinction between the professional class and the elite wealth ruling class.
Tucker, in this piece, is making her same overall point, but he's conflating those two classes. I don't think the professional class is the ruling class. I don't think they are to blame for fucking things up because I don't think they have that much power.
I get what he's getting at ... the upper middle class and well educated professional who will only live on a coast or Chicago who looks down his nose at people with dirt under their finger nails. But are they really the people who fucked things up here? Are they the "ruling class"?
Chintresting either way. -
I think there are chemicals used in vertical drilling. As it was explained to me, the real risk is running drilling lines in every which direction (the essence of fracking) and accidentally running into underground water sources along the way. I'm told it's exceedingly rare.HHusky said:
I don't know whether multiple toxic chemicals are used in vertical drilling. They are in fracking.creepycoug said:I am not an O&G guy, but I work at a company with passive interests in it. There was a time when it was scaring the shit out of people. I had our guy, a petroleum engineer who's been in this space for decades, explain it to me. Again, not my area, but it didn't seem that much different from an environmental hazard standpoint than drilling vertically. That conversation is now 5 to 10 years old, but that's what I recall.
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Yes, but as you say, you're told that by O&G guys.creepycoug said:
I think there are chemicals used in vertical drilling. As it was explained to me, the real risk is running drilling lines in every which direction (the essence of fracking) and accidentally running into underground water sources along the way. I'm told it's exceedingly rare.HHusky said:
I don't know whether multiple toxic chemicals are used in vertical drilling. They are in fracking.creepycoug said:I am not an O&G guy, but I work at a company with passive interests in it. There was a time when it was scaring the shit out of people. I had our guy, a petroleum engineer who's been in this space for decades, explain it to me. Again, not my area, but it didn't seem that much different from an environmental hazard standpoint than drilling vertically. That conversation is now 5 to 10 years old, but that's what I recall.
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There are "chemicals" in everything.creepycoug said:
I think there are chemicals used in vertical drilling. As it was explained to me, the real risk is running drilling lines in every which direction (the essence of fracking) and accidentally running into underground water sources along the way. I'm told it's exceedingly rare.HHusky said:
I don't know whether multiple toxic chemicals are used in vertical drilling. They are in fracking.creepycoug said:I am not an O&G guy, but I work at a company with passive interests in it. There was a time when it was scaring the shit out of people. I had our guy, a petroleum engineer who's been in this space for decades, explain it to me. Again, not my area, but it didn't seem that much different from an environmental hazard standpoint than drilling vertically. That conversation is now 5 to 10 years old, but that's what I recall.
frack fluid is 99% water and sand, relatively mild additives are sometimes added to stop bacteria growing in the drilling mud. Drilling mud is most often water with bentonite clay, chalk, or barite and not at all dangerous. Sometimes lignosulfates (Caldawgs wood chips) and Sometimes xanthum gum (in your grandmas pantry) is added if needed.
Most operators aren't exploratorily horizontally drilling, they aren't running into groundwater on the horizontal run, the turns are almost always >8,000 feet deep, the Ogallala aquifer is ~1,200 feet for reference. There is often MILES of vertical distance between ground water aquifers and the horizontal borehole.
Horizontal rigs are significantly newer, much more expensive, and run by larger more organized operations, they aren't small time guys, they are significantly safer than the rando operator poking vertical holes in the ground.
The vast majority of environmental issues from fracking (very few compared to transportation spills or decades old abandoned wells) occurs with improper and illegal disposal of the fluid after drilling.
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Gasbag was awesome on that middle school covered wagon.WestlinnDuck said:The dazzler is worried about too much dihydrogen monoxide in his tap water.
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Just stay in your basement dazzler and worry about the dangers of fracking in Pennsylvania.HHusky said:
Gasbag was awesome on that middle school covered wagon.WestlinnDuck said:The dazzler is worried about too much dihydrogen monoxide in his tap water.
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Biden is in favor of frackingHHusky said:
Yes, but as you say, you're told that by O&G guys.creepycoug said:
I think there are chemicals used in vertical drilling. As it was explained to me, the real risk is running drilling lines in every which direction (the essence of fracking) and accidentally running into underground water sources along the way. I'm told it's exceedingly rare.HHusky said:
I don't know whether multiple toxic chemicals are used in vertical drilling. They are in fracking.creepycoug said:I am not an O&G guy, but I work at a company with passive interests in it. There was a time when it was scaring the shit out of people. I had our guy, a petroleum engineer who's been in this space for decades, explain it to me. Again, not my area, but it didn't seem that much different from an environmental hazard standpoint than drilling vertically. That conversation is now 5 to 10 years old, but that's what I recall.
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Why worry? blob tells me that Butler, PA is filled with people who love that dirty water.WestlinnDuck said:
Just stay in your basement dazzler and worry about the dangers of fracking in Pennsylvania.HHusky said:
Gasbag was awesome on that middle school covered wagon.WestlinnDuck said:The dazzler is worried about too much dihydrogen monoxide in his tap water.
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I believe I told you that right after you told me that you'd suck Biden's wizened balls if it would ensure him the victory.HHusky said:
Why worry? blob tells me that Butler, PA is filled with people who love that dirty water.WestlinnDuck said:
Just stay in your basement dazzler and worry about the dangers of fracking in Pennsylvania.HHusky said:
Gasbag was awesome on that middle school covered wagon.WestlinnDuck said:The dazzler is worried about too much dihydrogen monoxide in his tap water.
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Wonder why Michigan keeps electing democrats if they don't like dirty waterHHusky said:
Why worry? blob tells me that Butler, PA is filled with people who love that dirty water.WestlinnDuck said:
Just stay in your basement dazzler and worry about the dangers of fracking in Pennsylvania.HHusky said:
Gasbag was awesome on that middle school covered wagon.WestlinnDuck said:The dazzler is worried about too much dihydrogen monoxide in his tap water.
There's no fracking in Flint. Just incompetent democrats -
So because people shoot each other in Chicago, we can't expect cops not to shoot people.RaceBannon said:
Wonder why Michigan keeps electing democrats if they don't like dirty waterHHusky said:
Why worry? blob tells me that Butler, PA is filled with people who love that dirty water.WestlinnDuck said:
Just stay in your basement dazzler and worry about the dangers of fracking in Pennsylvania.HHusky said:
Gasbag was awesome on that middle school covered wagon.WestlinnDuck said:The dazzler is worried about too much dihydrogen monoxide in his tap water.
There's no fracking in Flint. Just incompetent democrats
And because Flint has dirty water, we can't complain of fracking leading to dirt water.
You girls are funny!
Btw, Rick Snyder isn't a Democrat. -
Yes. You can'tHHusky said:
So because people shoot each other in Chicago, we can't expect cops not to shoot people.RaceBannon said:
Wonder why Michigan keeps electing democrats if they don't like dirty waterHHusky said:
Why worry? blob tells me that Butler, PA is filled with people who love that dirty water.WestlinnDuck said:
Just stay in your basement dazzler and worry about the dangers of fracking in Pennsylvania.HHusky said:
Gasbag was awesome on that middle school covered wagon.WestlinnDuck said:The dazzler is worried about too much dihydrogen monoxide in his tap water.
There's no fracking in Flint. Just incompetent democrats
And because Flint has dirty water, we can't complain of fracking leading to dirt water.
You girls are funny!
Btw, Rick Snyder isn't a Democrat.
Clean up your house -
Do you have any idea how deep an oil well that uses fracking technology is?HHusky said:
So because people shoot each other in Chicago, we can't expect cops not to shoot people.RaceBannon said:
Wonder why Michigan keeps electing democrats if they don't like dirty waterHHusky said:
Why worry? blob tells me that Butler, PA is filled with people who love that dirty water.WestlinnDuck said:
Just stay in your basement dazzler and worry about the dangers of fracking in Pennsylvania.HHusky said:
Gasbag was awesome on that middle school covered wagon.WestlinnDuck said:The dazzler is worried about too much dihydrogen monoxide in his tap water.
There's no fracking in Flint. Just incompetent democrats
And because Flint has dirty water, we can't complain of fracking leading to dirt water.
You girls are funny!
Btw, Rick Snyder isn't a Democrat.
You can complain all you want about 'fracking leading to dirt water'- but you don't know shit about the oil industry.
Go read @HoustonHusky post again. He has a clue. I have to assume some industry experience.
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Read? Dazzler doesn’t read, he emotes.PurpleThrobber said:
Do you have any idea how deep an oil well that uses fracking technology is?HHusky said:
So because people shoot each other in Chicago, we can't expect cops not to shoot people.RaceBannon said:
Wonder why Michigan keeps electing democrats if they don't like dirty waterHHusky said:
Why worry? blob tells me that Butler, PA is filled with people who love that dirty water.WestlinnDuck said:
Just stay in your basement dazzler and worry about the dangers of fracking in Pennsylvania.HHusky said:
Gasbag was awesome on that middle school covered wagon.WestlinnDuck said:The dazzler is worried about too much dihydrogen monoxide in his tap water.
There's no fracking in Flint. Just incompetent democrats
And because Flint has dirty water, we can't complain of fracking leading to dirt water.
You girls are funny!
Btw, Rick Snyder isn't a Democrat.
You can complain all you want about 'fracking leading to dirt water'- but you don't know shit about the oil industry.
Go read @HoustonHusky post again. He has a clue. I have to assume some industry experience.
