so, you're just talking out your ass rather than personal experience?
I've had my share of shitty asshole coaches that at times made me fear failing.
You play worse when you have that mindset.
Take a walk with your dog and get some perspective. I had some asshole coaches too and they yelled at everyone all the time, but playing with fear? It's a fucking sport. No matter what happened, I could still smoke weed, play my video games, or try and get my dick sucked after the game.
The worst thing these coaches can do to you is yell at you or bench you. I know kids who got rattled by it, and 99% of the time, it was because they were soft. You sound really fucking soft.
I'm embarrassed for you.
If anyone's soft, it's the grown man who feels the need to yell at 10 year olds in order to teach.
First of all, let's get it right. These kids aren't 10 years old, they're 8, ok?
Secondly, this is a select league in the San Antonio area. Many other opportunities exist for kids in San Antonio to play youth football in a different format. More NCAA scholarship players come out of this program than any other it's size in the country. Perhaps you should open your college mind and learn something from a different perspective than the one you were raised in before judging?
CollegeDoog reminds me of the guy that is owned by Matt Damon in this scene. Reads a couple of college courses on a subject and now thinks he is an expert on that subject.
I speak from personal experience.
That video wasn't just about this thread.
HTH.
If you were really "scared" cause some coach was yelling at you then I actually feel sorry for you. Not because the coach yelled at you but instead that you are soft that you were scared from it.
I've had coaches yell at me too, I had coaches who were very much like Sark. At the time I enjoyed the relaxed coach more but looking back I gained more from the hard ass coach.
Yawn. The best coaches are teachers.
Coaches who resort to yelling and demonstrative tactics, especially at a youth level, have little constructive ability to coach.
CollegeDoog reminds me of the guy that is owned by Matt Damon in this scene. Reads a couple of college courses on a subject and now thinks he is an expert on that subject.
Yeah, but I will have a degree. And you'll be servin' my kids fries at a drive-thru on our way to a skiing trip.
so, you're just talking out your ass rather than personal experience?
I've had my share of shitty asshole coaches that at times made me fear failing.
You play worse when you have that mindset.
Take a walk with your dog and get some perspective. I had some asshole coaches too and they yelled at everyone all the time, but playing with fear? It's a fucking sport. No matter what happened, I could still smoke weed, play my video games, or try and get my dick sucked after the game.
The worst thing these coaches can do to you is yell at you or bench you. I know kids who got rattled by it, and 99% of the time, it was because they were soft. You sound really fucking soft.
I'm embarrassed for you.
If anyone's soft, it's the grown man who feels the need to yell at 10 year olds in order to teach.
First of all, let's get it right. These kids aren't 10 years old, they're 8, ok?
Secondly, this is a select league in the San Antonio area. Many other opportunities exist for kids in San Antonio to play youth football in a different format. More NCAA scholarship players come out of this program than any other it's size in the country. Perhaps you should open your college mind and learn something from a different perspective than the one you were raised in before judging?
How many kids do you think play in that league because they have hyper competitive parents?
I think the choice of where they play isn't with the kids.
Not keeping score is pathetic and shows how many people don't get it. My cousin had a basketball game where the team that was losing after the first quarter was put ahead by 2 points before the start of the second. Then at halftime, they would change it to a tie, regardless of what the score actually was. I left at halftime so who knows what they did after that. I have never witnessed anything so fucktarded in my life. These kids were like 13 or 14 years old too.
That's pathetic even for the West Coast. I don't think it's that bad to let the kids have fun when they're real little (I.e. 4-7) but once they're eight or nine, they keep score..
My buddy coaches some youth basketball yeam in Rent' Un And the league supposedly deemphasizes competitive aspects (vomit) but I guarantee they keep score, standings, and award a champion.
I believe all of the parents who enter their kids in the league believe in the necessity of learning how to compete effectively in a hyper competitive environment.
I also believe all of those who return to the league do so because their kids enjoy it and find value in it.
I believe all of the parents who enter their kids in the league believe in the necessity of learning how to compete effectively in a hyper competitive environment.
I also believe all of those who return to the league do so because their kids enjoy it and find value in it.
Fair enough. But I still question the effectiveness of that kind of coaching at an early age.
A lot of those parents also ego trip over little Timmy playing in the PREMIER YOUTH FOOTBALL LEAGUE IN TEXAS and might keep them in it even if they don't enjoy it.
First of all, you are reading into the preview clip way too far. Reality TV is fake. It's almost always loosely scripted, and sometimes it is completely scripted. The producers can edit that shit any way they want, and the trailer is going to be filled with some of the worst stuff because controversy sells. Some 9 and 10 year old kids cry when they get hit too hard. Kids cry and say they can't do it when they get really tired during conditioning. It's nothing unique.
I would estimate the majority of these of these kids dream of becoming a star player for their high school and playing at Texas or A&M. Working hard is the price you pay to do that. If these kids don't want to do it, they will fall behind the kids that are willing. I don't agree about all the methods and I doubt anyone would disagree that some youth coaches and parents can be psycho's, but there is some good in teaching kids if you want something, you have to work really hard and pay the price. Life is rarely easy, which is something that is obvious you don't understand yet. Hard work for you is studying all night for a really tough chemistry test. Pressure for you is giving a 10 minute final presentation at the end of the semester.
The crap about these kids being scarred for life by these coaches is bullshit. They are more likely to laugh over beers about it when reminiscing once they get older than be scarred by it. I doubt many kids, even the ones with shitty experiences are affected long term by stuff that happened during youth sports. Kids get scarred by not getting love, being ignored, getting beaten, sexual abuse. Getting yelled at or having a dad that was too tough on you during athletics is probably very low on the list.
While I agree with you about the best coaches being teachers, there's nothing wrong with yelling. No kid ever needs a fire lit under him? I've seen it work with some kids, and even myself. Some kids can take it, others can't. The best coaches know how to push the right buttons for different kids.
First of all, you are reading into the preview clip way too far. Reality TV is fake. It's almost always loosely scripted, and sometimes it is completely scripted. The producers can edit that shit any way they want, and the trailer is going to be filled with some of the worst stuff because controversy sells. Some 9 and 10 year old kids cry when they get hit too hard. Kids cry and say they can't do it when they get really tired during conditioning. It's nothing unique.
I would estimate the majority of these of these kids dream of becoming a star player for their high school and playing at Texas or A&M. Working hard is the price you pay to do that. If these kids don't want to do it, they will fall behind the kids that are willing. I don't agree about all the methods and I doubt anyone would disagree that some youth coaches and parents can be psycho's, but there is some good in teaching kids if you want something, you have to work really hard and pay the price. Life is rarely easy, which is something that is obvious you don't understand yet. Hard work for you is studying all night for a really tough chemistry test.
The crap about these kids being scarred for life by these coaches is bullshit. They are more likely to laugh over beers about it when reminiscing once they get older than being scarred by it. I doubt many kids, even the ones with shitty experiences are affected long term by stuff that happened during youth sports. Kids get scarred by not getting love, being ignored, getting beaten, sexual abuse. Getting yelled at or having a dad that was too tough on you during athletics is probably very low on the list.
While I agree with you about the best coaches being teachers, there's nothing wrong with yelling. No kid ever needs a fire lit under him? I've seen it work with some kids, and even myself. Some kids can take it, others can't. The best coaches know how to push the right buttons for different kids.
Disagree. I work my ass off. Not sure how you could speculate that from an online sports forum.
My point still stands that there are better and more constructive ways to coach youth sports.
"Scarring for life" is a bit extreme. It's more about having a sporting experience ruined by a myopic adult.
It's obviously secondary to much worse parenting problems. But part of being a kid is playing sports, and adults too often lose sight of that and make it about themselves.
When it comes to yelling, for me personally and other kids playing sports, it's not as effective as other methods of teaching. There are plenty of child psychology studies that show that style does more harm than it helps. Psychological intimidation of a child by an adult isn't accepted in other parts of our society, why do we so freely accept it in coaching? The kind of emotional maturity you talk about that allows kids to respond better to that style probably isn't developed that early. I think by high school most are ready to deal with a coach like that, but before probably not.
I've always thought playing youth sports was about getting better and enjoying it with your friends, and of course winning. I found that I became better and enjoyed playing much more for coaches that were stern, but not abusive, and we actually won. The yellers were often losers.
I don't think you become tough or get soft by how a coach treats you. Tough people and soft people are just that way by nature.
I understand where you come from though. There are certainly people that respond well to yelling and confrontation. But too often coaches who are prone to demonstrative tactics to teach think it applies to everyone, when it doesn't.
First of all, you are reading into the preview clip way too far. Reality TV is fake. It's almost always loosely scripted, and sometimes it is completely scripted. The producers can edit that shit any way they want, and the trailer is going to be filled with some of the worst stuff because controversy sells. Some 9 and 10 year old kids cry when they get hit too hard. Kids cry and say they can't do it when they get really tired during conditioning. It's nothing unique.
I would estimate the majority of these of these kids dream of becoming a star player for their high school and playing at Texas or A&M. Working hard is the price you pay to do that. If these kids don't want to do it, they will fall behind the kids that are willing. I don't agree about all the methods and I doubt anyone would disagree that some youth coaches and parents can be psycho's, but there is some good in teaching kids if you want something, you have to work really hard and pay the price. Life is rarely easy, which is something that is obvious you don't understand yet. Hard work for you is studying all night for a really tough chemistry test.
The crap about these kids being scarred for life by these coaches is bullshit. They are more likely to laugh over beers about it when reminiscing once they get older than being scarred by it. I doubt many kids, even the ones with shitty experiences are affected long term by stuff that happened during youth sports. Kids get scarred by not getting love, being ignored, getting beaten, sexual abuse. Getting yelled at or having a dad that was too tough on you during athletics is probably very low on the list.
While I agree with you about the best coaches being teachers, there's nothing wrong with yelling. No kid ever needs a fire lit under him? I've seen it work with some kids, and even myself. Some kids can take it, others can't. The best coaches know how to push the right buttons for different kids.
Disagree. I work my ass off. Not sure how you could speculate that from an online sports forum.
My point still stands that there are better and more constructive ways to coach youth sports.
"Scarring for life" is a bit extreme. It's more about having a sporting experience ruined by a myopic adult.
It's obviously secondary to much worse parenting problems. But part of being a kid is playing sports, and adults too often lose sight of that and make it about themselves.
When it comes to yelling, for me personally and other kids playing sports, it's not as effective as other methods of teaching. There are plenty of child psychology studies that show that style does more harm than it helps. Psychological intimidation of a child by an adult isn't accepted in other parts of our society, why do we so freely accept it in coaching? The kind of emotional maturity you talk about that allows kids to respond better to that style probably isn't developed that early. I think by high school most are ready to deal with a coach like that, but before probably not.
I've always thought playing youth sports was about getting better and enjoying it with your friends, and of course winning. I found that I became better and enjoyed playing much more for coaches that were stern, but not abusive, and we actually won. The yellers were often losers.
I don't think you become tough or get soft by how a coach treats you. Tough people and soft people are just that way by nature.
I understand where you come from though. There are certainly people that respond well to yelling and confrontation. But too often coaches who are prone to demonstrative tactics to teach think it applies to everyone, when it doesn't.
It's all about pushing the right buttons.
So what?
And what do you want to do about it? Have the government ban what you think are abusive coaching tactics?
Jesus.
Yes, some kids will crumble and not respond and possible quit. Others will thrive. It's hardly the worst thing kids are going through in this country.
That show was created and edited in a way to become the outrage of the day. And it looks like it worked.
Most kids who do go on to compete at a high level (a real high level, not your PONY league) make extreme sacrifices and work 100 times harder than everyone else, and their coaches are relentless. If a kid doesn't like it, they will eventually quit. Even if the parents press them. There is also a point where everyone realizes even going D1 in a sport is rarified air that 99.9% of the kids in any given sport will never sniff.
First of all, you are reading into the preview clip way too far. Reality TV is fake. It's almost always loosely scripted, and sometimes it is completely scripted. The producers can edit that shit any way they want, and the trailer is going to be filled with some of the worst stuff because controversy sells. Some 9 and 10 year old kids cry when they get hit too hard. Kids cry and say they can't do it when they get really tired during conditioning. It's nothing unique.
I would estimate the majority of these of these kids dream of becoming a star player for their high school and playing at Texas or A&M. Working hard is the price you pay to do that. If these kids don't want to do it, they will fall behind the kids that are willing. I don't agree about all the methods and I doubt anyone would disagree that some youth coaches and parents can be psycho's, but there is some good in teaching kids if you want something, you have to work really hard and pay the price. Life is rarely easy, which is something that is obvious you don't understand yet. Hard work for you is studying all night for a really tough chemistry test.
The crap about these kids being scarred for life by these coaches is bullshit. They are more likely to laugh over beers about it when reminiscing once they get older than being scarred by it. I doubt many kids, even the ones with shitty experiences are affected long term by stuff that happened during youth sports. Kids get scarred by not getting love, being ignored, getting beaten, sexual abuse. Getting yelled at or having a dad that was too tough on you during athletics is probably very low on the list.
While I agree with you about the best coaches being teachers, there's nothing wrong with yelling. No kid ever needs a fire lit under him? I've seen it work with some kids, and even myself. Some kids can take it, others can't. The best coaches know how to push the right buttons for different kids.
My point still stands that there are better and more constructive ways to coach youth sports.
Is this your point? I ask because it seems like there are multiple points you're trying to make in this thread.
It's not about the few kids who make it. It's about what the culture of competetive youth sports does to the majority of kids.
And by the way, tht PONY team that continued through high school sent two kids to Oregon State, one to UW, two more to D3 champs Linfield, another to Seattle U, and others to a variety of schools. It was high level baseball.
The intense work ethic it takes to get there isn't a product of an abusive coaching culture, it's from internal drive. A coach screaming in their face is irrelevant and more often a demotivating factor. Far more kids burn out because the culture around competetive youth sports makes them hate to play the game.
Most kids thrive without the external pressure we've misguidedly come to romanticize.
It's clear you're very disconnected to the current reality in youth sports.
And by the way, tht PONY team that continued through high school sent two kids to Oregon State, one to UW, two more to D3 champs Linfield, another to Seattle U, and others to a variety of schools. It was high level baseball.
Where did you go? That's what I thought.
It's clear you're very disconnected to the current reality in youth sports.
Clearly you don't have a clue about my wheelhouse.
I had a chance to play baseball in college but I didn't want to. I was honesty burned out from the whole thing.
The problem with shithead coaches is that they compensate for a lack of actual constructive coaching skills, and why we need to stop revering the Schiano, Belicheck, Bear Bryant culture because most of the idiots who try to implement it are just that: idiots.
I had a chance to play baseball in college but I didn't want to. I was honesty burned out from the whole thing.
The problem with shithead coaches is that they compensate for a lack of actual constructive coaching skills, and why we need to stop revering the Schiano, Belicheck, Bear Bryant culture because most of the idiots who try to implement it are just that: idiots.
So you weren't able to compete at a high level. That's what I thought. College "Uncle Rico" Doog.
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Secondly, this is a select league in the San Antonio area. Many other opportunities exist for kids in San Antonio to play youth football in a different format. More NCAA scholarship players come out of this program than any other it's size in the country. Perhaps you should open your college mind and learn something from a different perspective than the one you were raised in before judging?
Coaches who resort to yelling and demonstrative tactics, especially at a youth level, have little constructive ability to coach.
We can have that difference of opinion, though.
I think the choice of where they play isn't with the kids.
My buddy coaches some youth basketball yeam in Rent' Un And the league supposedly deemphasizes competitive aspects (vomit) but I guarantee they keep score, standings, and award a champion.
I also believe all of those who return to the league do so because their kids enjoy it and find value in it.
A lot of those parents also ego trip over little Timmy playing in the PREMIER YOUTH FOOTBALL LEAGUE IN TEXAS and might keep them in it even if they don't enjoy it.
That's the problem with YSDs.
First of all, you are reading into the preview clip way too far. Reality TV is fake. It's almost always loosely scripted, and sometimes it is completely scripted. The producers can edit that shit any way they want, and the trailer is going to be filled with some of the worst stuff because controversy sells. Some 9 and 10 year old kids cry when they get hit too hard. Kids cry and say they can't do it when they get really tired during conditioning. It's nothing unique.
I would estimate the majority of these of these kids dream of becoming a star player for their high school and playing at Texas or A&M. Working hard is the price you pay to do that. If these kids don't want to do it, they will fall behind the kids that are willing. I don't agree about all the methods and I doubt anyone would disagree that some youth coaches and parents can be psycho's, but there is some good in teaching kids if you want something, you have to work really hard and pay the price. Life is rarely easy, which is something that is obvious you don't understand yet. Hard work for you is studying all night for a really tough chemistry test. Pressure for you is giving a 10 minute final presentation at the end of the semester.
The crap about these kids being scarred for life by these coaches is bullshit. They are more likely to laugh over beers about it when reminiscing once they get older than be scarred by it. I doubt many kids, even the ones with shitty experiences are affected long term by stuff that happened during youth sports. Kids get scarred by not getting love, being ignored, getting beaten, sexual abuse. Getting yelled at or having a dad that was too tough on you during athletics is probably very low on the list.
While I agree with you about the best coaches being teachers, there's nothing wrong with yelling. No kid ever needs a fire lit under him? I've seen it work with some kids, and even myself. Some kids can take it, others can't. The best coaches know how to push the right buttons for different kids.
My point still stands that there are better and more constructive ways to coach youth sports.
"Scarring for life" is a bit extreme. It's more about having a sporting experience ruined by a myopic adult.
It's obviously secondary to much worse parenting problems. But part of being a kid is playing sports, and adults too often lose sight of that and make it about themselves.
When it comes to yelling, for me personally and other kids playing sports, it's not as effective as other methods of teaching. There are plenty of child psychology studies that show that style does more harm than it helps. Psychological intimidation of a child by an adult isn't accepted in other parts of our society, why do we so freely accept it in coaching? The kind of emotional maturity you talk about that allows kids to respond better to that style probably isn't developed that early. I think by high school most are ready to deal with a coach like that, but before probably not.
I've always thought playing youth sports was about getting better and enjoying it with your friends, and of course winning. I found that I became better and enjoyed playing much more for coaches that were stern, but not abusive, and we actually won. The yellers were often losers.
I don't think you become tough or get soft by how a coach treats you. Tough people and soft people are just that way by nature.
I understand where you come from though. There are certainly people that respond well to yelling and confrontation. But too often coaches who are prone to demonstrative tactics to teach think it applies to everyone, when it doesn't.
It's all about pushing the right buttons.
And what do you want to do about it? Have the government ban what you think are abusive coaching tactics?
Jesus.
Yes, some kids will crumble and not respond and possible quit. Others will thrive. It's hardly the worst thing kids are going through in this country.
That show was created and edited in a way to become the outrage of the day. And it looks like it worked.
Most kids who do go on to compete at a high level (a real high level, not your PONY league) make extreme sacrifices and work 100 times harder than everyone else, and their coaches are relentless. If a kid doesn't like it, they will eventually quit. Even if the parents press them. There is also a point where everyone realizes even going D1 in a sport is rarified air that 99.9% of the kids in any given sport will never sniff.
Bela Karolyi makes these coaches look soft.
You move the goal posts so often it's tough to tell.
And by the way, tht PONY team that continued through high school sent two kids to Oregon State, one to UW, two more to D3 champs Linfield, another to Seattle U, and others to a variety of schools. It was high level baseball.
The intense work ethic it takes to get there isn't a product of an abusive coaching culture, it's from internal drive. A coach screaming in their face is irrelevant and more often a demotivating factor. Far more kids burn out because the culture around competetive youth sports makes them hate to play the game.
Most kids thrive without the external pressure we've misguidedly come to romanticize.
It's clear you're very disconnected to the current reality in youth sports.
The problem with shithead coaches is that they compensate for a lack of actual constructive coaching skills, and why we need to stop revering the Schiano, Belicheck, Bear Bryant culture because most of the idiots who try to implement it are just that: idiots.