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  • puppylove_sugarsteel
    puppylove_sugarsteel Member Posts: 9,133
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    Don't let shitty reality TV and shittier PSAs fool you that kids don't want to compete. Kids are always competing. They love competition. I've coached kids, my own and others, in "safe" sports leagues where's there's no score kept, you know, to keep the kids safe. The kids always, ALWAYS, knew what the score was and always wanted to win.

    Are you serious? No-score sports? That will really teach a kid to be a winner. Who's the bigger pussy. You for coaching in that league , or your sissy kids for playing in it. I'd have told my dad to get bent if he put me in a bitch league like that. W hat a puss of a dad you are
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    Don't let shitty reality TV and shittier PSAs fool you that kids don't want to compete. Kids are always competing. They love competition. I've coached kids, my own and others, in "safe" sports leagues where's there's no score kept, you know, to keep the kids safe. The kids always, ALWAYS, knew what the score was and always wanted to win.

    Are you serious? No-score sports? That will really teach a kid to be a winner. Who's the bigger pussy. You for coaching in that league , or your sissy kids for playing in it. I'd have told my dad to get bent if he put me in a bitch league like that. W hat a puss of a dad you are
    No question. My kids call me Mangina.

    Now go fuck yourself.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,143
    edited January 2014
    Not keeping score is pathetic and shows how many people don't get it. My cousin had a basketball game where the team that was losing after the first quarter was put ahead by 2 points before the start of the second. Then at halftime, they would change it to a tie, regardless of what the score actually was. I left at halftime so who knows what they did after that. I have never witnessed anything so fucktarded in my life. These kids were like 13 or 14 years old too.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,084 Founders Club
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Not keeping score is pathetic and shows how many people don't get it. My cousin had a basketball game where the team that was losing after the first quarter was put ahead by 2 points before the start of the second. I have never witnessed anything so fucktarded in my life. These kids were like 13 or 14 years old too.

    You just have to read collegedoogs posts to know this country is fucked
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    RaceBannon said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Not keeping score is pathetic and shows how many people don't get it. My cousin had a basketball game where the team that was losing after the first quarter was put ahead by 2 points before the start of the second. I have never witnessed anything so fucktarded in my life. These kids were like 13 or 14 years old too.

    You just have to read collegedoogs posts to know this country is fucked
    Great overreaction as always.
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  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    CollegeDoog said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    CollegeDoog said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    Don't let shitty reality TV and shittier PSAs fool you that kids don't want to compete. Kids are always competing. They love competition. I've coached kids, my own and others, in "safe" sports leagues where's there's no score kept, you know, to keep the kids safe. The kids always, ALWAYS, knew what the score was and always wanted to win.

    I was the same way. Most kids want to win themselves. The added parental pressure is unnecessary.
    Some call it pressure, some call it support.
    There's a fine line.
    Obviously, one you feel your parents crossed.

    After the divorce, you lived with Mom, right?

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  • [Deleted User]
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    edited January 2014
    sarktastic said:

    CollegeDoog said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    CollegeDoog said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    Don't let shitty reality TV and shittier PSAs fool you that kids don't want to compete. Kids are always competing. They love competition. I've coached kids, my own and others, in "safe" sports leagues where's there's no score kept, you know, to keep the kids safe. The kids always, ALWAYS, knew what the score was and always wanted to win.

    I was the same way. Most kids want to win themselves. The added parental pressure is unnecessary.
    Some call it pressure, some call it support.
    There's a fine line.
    Obviously, one you feel your parents crossed.

    After the divorce, you lived with Mom, right?

    I actually had relaxed parents who let me fuel my competitive fire myself, playing several sports at a high level.

    A lot of the parents of kids I played with were that way as well. But some weren't.

    What the bad ones instilled was a fear of failure that makes kids afraid to take risks. That's never good for someone who isn't even in high school. Being able to learn from failure is a lifelong skill. The kids that were afraid to fail mom or dad were the ones the least successful.

    That's my official position.
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  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    so, you're just talking out your ass rather than personal experience?
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    edited January 2014
    sarktastic said:

    so, you're just talking out your ass rather than personal experience?

    I've had my share of shitty asshole coaches that at times made me fear failing.

    You don't become better when you have that mindset.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    TheGlove said:

    MikeDamone said:

    I agree that these guys are overboard for 10 year olds. But it's football and shouldn't be like soccer where they are having freindles and being told what an awesome job they are doing by just running around in a group.

    There is an appropriate way to coach 10 year olds which is different than 13 year olds which is different that 18 year olds. But at no time should dealing with adversity and picking yourself up off the ground when your knocked on your ass and being taught to hit the other guy harder than he hits you not be part of coaching football.

    I don't think a friendly match is what you what think it is.
    Disagree. Just having the term is fucking gay.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    "And having spent years on one of the best select baseball teams in Washington (age 9-17), playing AAU basketball, and High School Football, competitive youth sports are up my alley."

    Jesus. It just keeps getting worse for doog.
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  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    Depends on the player. Depends on the team.

    Sometimes good coaches inherit shitty talent or kids with entitlement issues fostered by parents, acknowledge the situation they're in and demand excellence anyway causing stress on poor little Jr. Who ' knows' he sucks, or 'can't win'.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,143
    CollegeDoog said:

    sarktastic said:

    so, you're just talking out your ass rather than personal experience?

    I've had my share of shitty asshole coaches that at times made me fear failing.

    You play worse when you have that mindset.
    Take a walk with your dog and get some perspective. I had some asshole coaches too and they yelled at everyone all the time, but playing with fear? It's a fucking sport. No matter what happened, I could still smoke weed, play my video games, or try and get my dick sucked after the game.

    The worst thing these coaches can do to you is yell at you or bench you. I know kids who got rattled by it, and 99% of the time, it was because they were soft. You sound really fucking soft.

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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    CollegeDoog said:

    sarktastic said:

    CollegeDoog said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    CollegeDoog said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    Don't let shitty reality TV and shittier PSAs fool you that kids don't want to compete. Kids are always competing. They love competition. I've coached kids, my own and others, in "safe" sports leagues where's there's no score kept, you know, to keep the kids safe. The kids always, ALWAYS, knew what the score was and always wanted to win.

    I was the same way. Most kids want to win themselves. The added parental pressure is unnecessary.
    Some call it pressure, some call it support.
    There's a fine line.
    Obviously, one you feel your parents crossed.

    After the divorce, you lived with Mom, right?

    I actually had relaxed parents who let me fuel my competitive fire myself, playing several sports at a high level.

    A lot of the parents of kids I played with were that way as well. But some weren't.

    What the bad ones instilled was a fear of failure that makes kids afraid to take risks. That's never good for someone who isn't even in high school. Being able to learn from failure is a lifelong skill. The kids that were afraid to fail mom or dad were the ones the least successful.

    That's my official position.
    You didn't play at a high level.

    Hth
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    RoadDawg55 said:

    CollegeDoog said:

    sarktastic said:

    so, you're just talking out your ass rather than personal experience?

    I've had my share of shitty asshole coaches that at times made me fear failing.

    You play worse when you have that mindset.
    Take a walk with your dog and get some perspective. I had some asshole coaches too and they yelled at everyone all the time, but playing with fear? It's a fucking sport. No matter what happened, I could still smoke weed, play my video games, or try and get my dick sucked after the game.

    The worst thing these coaches can do to you is yell at you or bench you. I know kids who got rattled by it, and 99% of the time, it was because they were soft. You sound really fucking soft.

    I'm embarrassed for you.

    If anyone's soft, it's the grown man who feels the need to yell at 10 year olds in order to teach.


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  • [Deleted User]
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    sarktastic said:

    so, you're just talking out your ass rather than personal experience?

    That's what he does in every thread.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1DnltskkWk

    CollegeDoog reminds me of the guy that is owned by Matt Damon in this scene. Reads a couple of college courses on a subject and now thinks he is an expert on that subject.
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    MikeDamone said:

    CollegeDoog said:

    sarktastic said:

    CollegeDoog said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    CollegeDoog said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    Don't let shitty reality TV and shittier PSAs fool you that kids don't want to compete. Kids are always competing. They love competition. I've coached kids, my own and others, in "safe" sports leagues where's there's no score kept, you know, to keep the kids safe. The kids always, ALWAYS, knew what the score was and always wanted to win.

    I was the same way. Most kids want to win themselves. The added parental pressure is unnecessary.
    Some call it pressure, some call it support.
    There's a fine line.
    Obviously, one you feel your parents crossed.

    After the divorce, you lived with Mom, right?

    I actually had relaxed parents who let me fuel my competitive fire myself, playing several sports at a high level.

    A lot of the parents of kids I played with were that way as well. But some weren't.

    What the bad ones instilled was a fear of failure that makes kids afraid to take risks. That's never good for someone who isn't even in high school. Being able to learn from failure is a lifelong skill. The kids that were afraid to fail mom or dad were the ones the least successful.

    That's my official position.
    You didn't play at a high level.

    Hth
    I went to the equivalent of the Little League World Series for PONY baseball.

    I've seen a lot, friend.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    CollegeDoog said:

    MikeDamone said:

    CollegeDoog said:

    sarktastic said:

    CollegeDoog said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    CollegeDoog said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    Don't let shitty reality TV and shittier PSAs fool you that kids don't want to compete. Kids are always competing. They love competition. I've coached kids, my own and others, in "safe" sports leagues where's there's no score kept, you know, to keep the kids safe. The kids always, ALWAYS, knew what the score was and always wanted to win.

    I was the same way. Most kids want to win themselves. The added parental pressure is unnecessary.
    Some call it pressure, some call it support.
    There's a fine line.
    Obviously, one you feel your parents crossed.

    After the divorce, you lived with Mom, right?

    I actually had relaxed parents who let me fuel my competitive fire myself, playing several sports at a high level.

    A lot of the parents of kids I played with were that way as well. But some weren't.

    What the bad ones instilled was a fear of failure that makes kids afraid to take risks. That's never good for someone who isn't even in high school. Being able to learn from failure is a lifelong skill. The kids that were afraid to fail mom or dad were the ones the least successful.

    That's my official position.
    You didn't play at a high level.

    Hth
    I went to the equivalent of the Little League World Series for PONY baseball.

    I've seen a lot, friend.
    Again...you didn't play at a high level.
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    He_Needs_More_Time said:

    sarktastic said:

    so, you're just talking out your ass rather than personal experience?

    That's what he does in every thread.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1DnltskkWk

    CollegeDoog reminds me of the guy that is owned by Matt Damon in this scene. Reads a couple of college courses on a subject and now thinks he is an expert on that subject.
    I speak from personal experience.

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  • [Deleted User]
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    CollegeDoog said:

    He_Needs_More_Time said:

    sarktastic said:

    so, you're just talking out your ass rather than personal experience?

    That's what he does in every thread.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1DnltskkWk

    CollegeDoog reminds me of the guy that is owned by Matt Damon in this scene. Reads a couple of college courses on a subject and now thinks he is an expert on that subject.
    I speak from personal experience.

    That video wasn't just about this thread.

    HTH.

    If you were really "scared" cause some coach was yelling at you then I actually feel sorry for you. Not because the coach yelled at you but instead that you are soft that you were scared from it.

    I've had coaches yell at me too, I had coaches who were very much like Sark. At the time I enjoyed the relaxed coach more but looking back I gained more from the hard ass coach.
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  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    CollegeDoog said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    CollegeDoog said:

    sarktastic said:

    so, you're just talking out your ass rather than personal experience?

    I've had my share of shitty asshole coaches that at times made me fear failing.

    You play worse when you have that mindset.
    Take a walk with your dog and get some perspective. I had some asshole coaches too and they yelled at everyone all the time, but playing with fear? It's a fucking sport. No matter what happened, I could still smoke weed, play my video games, or try and get my dick sucked after the game.

    The worst thing these coaches can do to you is yell at you or bench you. I know kids who got rattled by it, and 99% of the time, it was because they were soft. You sound really fucking soft.

    I'm embarrassed for you.

    If anyone's soft, it's the grown man who feels the need to yell at 10 year olds in order to teach.


    First of all, let's get it right. These kids aren't 10 years old, they're 8, ok?

    Secondly, this is a select league in the San Antonio area. Many other opportunities exist for kids in San Antonio to play youth football in a different format. More NCAA scholarship players come out of this program than any other it's size in the country. Perhaps you should open your college mind and learn something from a different perspective than the one you were raised in before judging?

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    edited January 2014
    He_Needs_More_Time said:

    CollegeDoog said:

    He_Needs_More_Time said:

    sarktastic said:

    so, you're just talking out your ass rather than personal experience?

    That's what he does in every thread.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1DnltskkWk

    CollegeDoog reminds me of the guy that is owned by Matt Damon in this scene. Reads a couple of college courses on a subject and now thinks he is an expert on that subject.
    I speak from personal experience.

    That video wasn't just about this thread.

    HTH.

    If you were really "scared" cause some coach was yelling at you then I actually feel sorry for you. Not because the coach yelled at you but instead that you are soft that you were scared from it.

    I've had coaches yell at me too, I had coaches who were very much like Sark. At the time I enjoyed the relaxed coach more but looking back I gained more from the hard ass coach.
    Yawn. The best coaches are teachers.

    Coaches who resort to yelling and demonstrative tactics, especially at a youth level, have little constructive ability to coach.

    We can have that difference of opinion, though.
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    I hear CollegeDoog's favorite game is checkers.
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  • SandyHooker
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    He_Needs_More_Time said:

    sarktastic said:

    so, you're just talking out your ass rather than personal experience?

    That's what he does in every thread.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1DnltskkWk

    CollegeDoog reminds me of the guy that is owned by Matt Damon in this scene. Reads a couple of college courses on a subject and now thinks he is an expert on that subject.
    Yeah, but I will have a degree. And you'll be servin' my kids fries at a drive-thru on our way to a skiing trip.
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    sarktastic said:

    CollegeDoog said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    CollegeDoog said:

    sarktastic said:

    so, you're just talking out your ass rather than personal experience?

    I've had my share of shitty asshole coaches that at times made me fear failing.

    You play worse when you have that mindset.
    Take a walk with your dog and get some perspective. I had some asshole coaches too and they yelled at everyone all the time, but playing with fear? It's a fucking sport. No matter what happened, I could still smoke weed, play my video games, or try and get my dick sucked after the game.

    The worst thing these coaches can do to you is yell at you or bench you. I know kids who got rattled by it, and 99% of the time, it was because they were soft. You sound really fucking soft.

    I'm embarrassed for you.

    If anyone's soft, it's the grown man who feels the need to yell at 10 year olds in order to teach.


    First of all, let's get it right. These kids aren't 10 years old, they're 8, ok?

    Secondly, this is a select league in the San Antonio area. Many other opportunities exist for kids in San Antonio to play youth football in a different format. More NCAA scholarship players come out of this program than any other it's size in the country. Perhaps you should open your college mind and learn something from a different perspective than the one you were raised in before judging?

    How many kids do you think play in that league because they have hyper competitive parents?

    I think the choice of where they play isn't with the kids.
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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,665 Standard Supporter
    edited January 2014
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Not keeping score is pathetic and shows how many people don't get it. My cousin had a basketball game where the team that was losing after the first quarter was put ahead by 2 points before the start of the second. Then at halftime, they would change it to a tie, regardless of what the score actually was. I left at halftime so who knows what they did after that. I have never witnessed anything so fucktarded in my life. These kids were like 13 or 14 years old too.

    That's pathetic even for the West Coast. I don't think it's that bad to let the kids have fun when they're real little (I.e. 4-7) but once they're eight or nine, they keep score..

    My buddy coaches some youth basketball yeam in Rent' Un And the league supposedly deemphasizes competitive aspects (vomit) but I guarantee they keep score, standings, and award a champion.

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  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    I believe all of the parents who enter their kids in the league believe in the necessity of learning how to compete effectively in a hyper competitive environment.

    I also believe all of those who return to the league do so because their kids enjoy it and find value in it.
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    edited January 2014
    sarktastic said:

    I believe all of the parents who enter their kids in the league believe in the necessity of learning how to compete effectively in a hyper competitive environment.

    I also believe all of those who return to the league do so because their kids enjoy it and find value in it.

    Fair enough. But I still question the effectiveness of that kind of coaching at an early age.

    A lot of those parents also ego trip over little Timmy playing in the PREMIER YOUTH FOOTBALL LEAGUE IN TEXAS and might keep them in it even if they don't enjoy it.

    That's the problem with YSDs.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,143
    edited January 2014
    CollegeDoog:

    First of all, you are reading into the preview clip way too far. Reality TV is fake. It's almost always loosely scripted, and sometimes it is completely scripted. The producers can edit that shit any way they want, and the trailer is going to be filled with some of the worst stuff because controversy sells. Some 9 and 10 year old kids cry when they get hit too hard. Kids cry and say they can't do it when they get really tired during conditioning. It's nothing unique.

    I would estimate the majority of these of these kids dream of becoming a star player for their high school and playing at Texas or A&M. Working hard is the price you pay to do that. If these kids don't want to do it, they will fall behind the kids that are willing. I don't agree about all the methods and I doubt anyone would disagree that some youth coaches and parents can be psycho's, but there is some good in teaching kids if you want something, you have to work really hard and pay the price. Life is rarely easy, which is something that is obvious you don't understand yet. Hard work for you is studying all night for a really tough chemistry test. Pressure for you is giving a 10 minute final presentation at the end of the semester.

    The crap about these kids being scarred for life by these coaches is bullshit. They are more likely to laugh over beers about it when reminiscing once they get older than be scarred by it. I doubt many kids, even the ones with shitty experiences are affected long term by stuff that happened during youth sports. Kids get scarred by not getting love, being ignored, getting beaten, sexual abuse. Getting yelled at or having a dad that was too tough on you during athletics is probably very low on the list.

    While I agree with you about the best coaches being teachers, there's nothing wrong with yelling. No kid ever needs a fire lit under him? I've seen it work with some kids, and even myself. Some kids can take it, others can't. The best coaches know how to push the right buttons for different kids.
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    edited January 2014
    RoadDawg55 said:

    CollegeDoog:

    First of all, you are reading into the preview clip way too far. Reality TV is fake. It's almost always loosely scripted, and sometimes it is completely scripted. The producers can edit that shit any way they want, and the trailer is going to be filled with some of the worst stuff because controversy sells. Some 9 and 10 year old kids cry when they get hit too hard. Kids cry and say they can't do it when they get really tired during conditioning. It's nothing unique.

    I would estimate the majority of these of these kids dream of becoming a star player for their high school and playing at Texas or A&M. Working hard is the price you pay to do that. If these kids don't want to do it, they will fall behind the kids that are willing. I don't agree about all the methods and I doubt anyone would disagree that some youth coaches and parents can be psycho's, but there is some good in teaching kids if you want something, you have to work really hard and pay the price. Life is rarely easy, which is something that is obvious you don't understand yet. Hard work for you is studying all night for a really tough chemistry test.

    The crap about these kids being scarred for life by these coaches is bullshit. They are more likely to laugh over beers about it when reminiscing once they get older than being scarred by it. I doubt many kids, even the ones with shitty experiences are affected long term by stuff that happened during youth sports. Kids get scarred by not getting love, being ignored, getting beaten, sexual abuse. Getting yelled at or having a dad that was too tough on you during athletics is probably very low on the list.

    While I agree with you about the best coaches being teachers, there's nothing wrong with yelling. No kid ever needs a fire lit under him? I've seen it work with some kids, and even myself. Some kids can take it, others can't. The best coaches know how to push the right buttons for different kids.

    Disagree. I work my ass off. Not sure how you could speculate that from an online sports forum.


    My point still stands that there are better and more constructive ways to coach youth sports.

    "Scarring for life" is a bit extreme. It's more about having a sporting experience ruined by a myopic adult.

    It's obviously secondary to much worse parenting problems. But part of being a kid is playing sports, and adults too often lose sight of that and make it about themselves.

    When it comes to yelling, for me personally and other kids playing sports, it's not as effective as other methods of teaching. There are plenty of child psychology studies that show that style does more harm than it helps. Psychological intimidation of a child by an adult isn't accepted in other parts of our society, why do we so freely accept it in coaching? The kind of emotional maturity you talk about that allows kids to respond better to that style probably isn't developed that early. I think by high school most are ready to deal with a coach like that, but before probably not.

    I've always thought playing youth sports was about getting better and enjoying it with your friends, and of course winning. I found that I became better and enjoyed playing much more for coaches that were stern, but not abusive, and we actually won. The yellers were often losers.

    I don't think you become tough or get soft by how a coach treats you. Tough people and soft people are just that way by nature.

    I understand where you come from though. There are certainly people that respond well to yelling and confrontation. But too often coaches who are prone to demonstrative tactics to teach think it applies to everyone, when it doesn't.

    It's all about pushing the right buttons.
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