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PurpleBaze
PurpleBaze Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,330 Founders Club
It's nice to see the LA Times cares. They are conducting a Kaep vs. Wilson pole:

Which QB would you pick?
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  • PurpleBaze
    PurpleBaze Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,330 Founders Club
    They're both incredible athletes. Wilson has a great attitude, excellent work ethic, and a more likable personality. I voted for him. But, I wish the Seahawks had SF's OL and WR corps.
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,722 Founders Club
    The trend on Wilson is pretty alarming, while the tend on Kaepernick has gotten better as the season goes on.

    For whatever reason, Seattle has abandoned the rat ball offense that work so well early in the season. It's like Wilson has been watching a lot of Jack Lockner from the Sark years on film. Him and Jack are similar in that they make all their plays late in play an are pretty average at best on designed reads
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,106 Founders Club
  • Passion
    Passion Member Posts: 4,622

    They're both incredible athletes. Wilson has a great attitude, excellent work ethic, and a more likable personality. I voted for him. But, I wish the Seahawks had SF's OL and WR corps.

    Hmmm...tough call.
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  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    Put in T Jack!
  • PurpleBaze
    PurpleBaze Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,330 Founders Club
  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499
    Kaep is playing better than RW right now. The bigger matchup though is Lynch vs Gore, and it feels like Lynch has found his rhythm again the past 2 games.
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,529 Founders Club
    I think defenses are doing something different in the last 4-5 games to keep him hemmed in. Every time he starts to go outside, there's a defender there and it's limiting his improv ability.
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,722 Founders Club
    People blaming the OC is kind of a cop out IMO. Just guessing, but I'd imagine that the play calling hasn't changed all that much over the course of the season. All the plays when they were made were outside of the regular offense anyways, Wilson just isn't making them as frequently as he once did.
  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,676 Standard Supporter

    Bob_C said:

    The trend on Wilson is pretty alarming, while the tend on Kaepernick has gotten better as the season goes on.

    For whatever reason, Seattle has abandoned the rat ball offense that work so well early in the season. It's like Wilson has been watching a lot of Jack Lockner from the Sark years on film. Him and Jack are similar in that they make all their plays late in play an are pretty average at best on designed reads
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    I think Wilson needs to start becoming a bigger threat as a runner. I know they don't want him to get banged up, but this the fucking NFC Championship. You've got to put it all on the line. Wilson has been handicapped by Bevell, the OL, and lack of play makers at the WR position, especially with Rice being out.
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  • Passion
    Passion Member Posts: 4,622
    edited January 2014

    Bob_C said:

    The trend on Wilson is pretty alarming, while the tend on Kaepernick has gotten better as the season goes on.

    For whatever reason, Seattle has abandoned the rat ball offense that work so well early in the season. It's like Wilson has been watching a lot of Jack Lockner from the Sark years on film. Him and Jack are similar in that they make all their plays late in play an are pretty average at best on designed reads
    .

    I think Wilson needs to start becoming a bigger threat as a runner. I know they don't want him to get banged up, but this the fucking NFC Championship. You've got to put it all on the line. Wilson has been handicapped by Bevell, the OL, and lack of play makers at the WR position, especially with Rice being out.
    Wilson was pathetically inaccurate on a lot of 3rd down throws vs. the saints. He and bevell better get their shit straightened out...quickly.

    Whatever happened to san francisco earlier in the year is over. On Sunday they dismantled a very good carolina defense, and we had our hands full with an above-average saints defense.
  • PurpleBaze
    PurpleBaze Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,330 Founders Club
    Bob_C said:

    People blaming the OC is kind of a cop out IMO. Just guessing, but I'd imagine that the play calling hasn't changed all that much over the course of the season. All the plays when they were made were outside of the regular offense anyways, Wilson just isn't making them as frequently as he once did.

    That may be the problem. The offense may need to make some changes. They may have become too predictable. Like DJ mentioned above, defenses have figured out the Hawks' offense and how to keep Wilson in check. With that said, Wilson has had opportunities to run and gain big chunks of yardage, but prefers to hold onto the ball until the last second, before attempting a pass.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326

    Kaep is playing better than RW right now. The bigger matchup though is Lynch vs Gore, and it feels like Lynch has found his rhythm again the past 2 games.

    I feel like lynch sorta held it back at the end of the regular season so he could save his best for the playoffs. The week off also helped
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,722 Founders Club
    It's possible that the approach from defenses is taking its toll. The edge guys playing contain and the defenses using their resources in the middle is a good approach. New Orleans for instance has spent their money on guard instead of tackles to offset Brees's lack of height.

    It's not like Wilson height issue just disappeared, maybe that's finally becoming an issue now that the defensive approach has shifted.
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346

    Kaep is playing better than RW right now. The bigger matchup though is Lynch vs Gore, and it feels like Lynch has found his rhythm again the past 2 games.

    People who match up opposing QBs or RBs need to DIAFF toot sweet.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    That poll needed an option for The Field badly. I'll take either of the remaining AFC quarterbacks.
  • PurpleBaze
    PurpleBaze Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,330 Founders Club
    PurpleJ said:

    That poll needed an option for The Field badly. I'll take either of the remaining AFC quarterbacks.

    Not either... just Brady.
  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499
    Bob_C said:

    People blaming the OC is kind of a cop out IMO. Just guessing, but I'd imagine that the play calling hasn't changed all that much over the course of the season. All the plays when they were made were outside of the regular offense anyways, Wilson just isn't making them as frequently as he once did.

    Yea Bevell hasn't been good but I feel Seattle fans have this mentality that Russell Wilson can do no wrong. He has been incredibly inaccurate as of late (even with 8 yard slant plays), making some bad decisions by being too conservative (he could have hit Percy yesterday on a screen that might have gone for a TD), and just not being able to keep the offense on the field.

    I do think it is just him going through a little funk right now, but if he plays like this against the 49ers we will have to play pretty much mistake free across the board to beat them.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club

    PurpleJ said:

    That poll needed an option for The Field badly. I'll take either of the remaining AFC quarterbacks.

    Not either... just Brady.
    Peyton isn't choking this year. He knows it might be his last chance.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    That poll needed an option for The Field badly. I'll take either of the remaining AFC quarterbacks.

    Not either... just Brady.
    Peyton isn't choking this year. He knows it might be his last chance.
    So your argument is that the guy who sucks under pressure is going to rise to the occasion when there's more pressure than ever before?

  • Passion
    Passion Member Posts: 4,622

    Pete Carroll is the head coach and in a windstorm when your defense is playing great he's not going to let Bevell go all Sarktarded. Of course it was conservative. They won too.

    The offense has been sputtering for a month. Wilson was Locker-inaccurate on Saturday on those slant routes.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    dnc said:

    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    That poll needed an option for The Field badly. I'll take either of the remaining AFC quarterbacks.

    Not either... just Brady.
    Peyton isn't choking this year. He knows it might be his last chance.
    So your argument is that the guy who sucks under pressure is going to rise to the occasion when there's more pressure than ever before?

    Yes, and it helps when you are playing at home with two good running backs.
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346

    Pete Carroll is the head coach and in a windstorm when your defense is playing great he's not going to let Bevell go all Sarktarded. Of course it was conservative. They won too.

    Race does it again!
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Bob_C said:

    People blaming the OC is kind of a cop out IMO. Just guessing, but I'd imagine that the play calling hasn't changed all that much over the course of the season. All the plays when they were made were outside of the regular offense anyways, Wilson just isn't making them as frequently as he once did.

    This is the NFL. If you aren't evolving as the season goes on, you're falling behind.

    That's on the coaches.
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    That poll needed an option for The Field badly. I'll take either of the remaining AFC quarterbacks.

    Not either... just Brady.
    Peyton isn't choking this year. He knows it might be his last chance.
    Wake me when Peyton does something more than survive against a team that needed a metric shitton of luck just to make the playoffs.
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,722 Founders Club

    Bob_C said:

    People blaming the OC is kind of a cop out IMO. Just guessing, but I'd imagine that the play calling hasn't changed all that much over the course of the season. All the plays when they were made were outside of the regular offense anyways, Wilson just isn't making them as frequently as he once did.

    This is the NFL. If you aren't evolving as the season goes on, you're falling behind.

    That's on the coaches.
    Agree to a certain extent... But the difference here is that Wilson has never really made a lot of plays or great throws within the general framework of the offense. It's always been after things breakdown.

    When he stops making the improvised plays like he has it shines a light on the roach of an offense that is Seattle.

    So Bevell is exactly who is has been from the beginning, and was on Minnesota, a pretty average or below average coordinator. The only variable that has seemingly change is Wilson not making as many plays on the move.

    Wilson was kind of always this shitty in the pocket, just like everyone thought he was going to be. It's the other stuff not happening though that is what is going to cost them.

  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club

    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    That poll needed an option for The Field badly. I'll take either of the remaining AFC quarterbacks.

    Not either... just Brady.
    Peyton isn't choking this year. He knows it might be his last chance.
    Wake me when Peyton does something more than survive against a team that needed a metric shitton of luck just to make the playoffs.
    You need to see another championship?