Why the mess in Portland matters to the globe

LoneStarDawg

Douglas Murray, British thinker and author, is on a tour of the chaos of the west coast. He and Bret Weinstein have a discussion about the train wreck that is Portland and other west coast cities.

Super enlightening but ultimately traumatizing to realize the trajectory we’re on.

https://youtu.be/E7LMSZ2xsRs

creepycoug

Murray is an interesting dude. I find that I agree with a lot of what he says.

LoneStarDawg

creepycoug said:

Murray is an interesting dude. I find that I agree with a lot of what he says.

This pod triggered me to buy his book, really insightful guy.

NorthwestFresh

Just go by Union Station and within the surrounding 3 block area all you smell is human piss, BO, and shit. And that was last year riding the train to a few Mariner games. Haven’t been walking there since but have driven by as recently as two months ago.

LoneStarDawg

Homelessness is a symptom.

Allowing dissenting journalists lives to the threatened, allowing personal property to be destroyed or stolen, etc.

Its watching the early days of a totalitarian uprising

hardhat

I've listened for a few of the Darkhorse podcasts. Pretty good. Never thought I'd find someone who worked at Evergreen reasonable.

PurpleThrobber

Bottom line: Portland is a third world shithole.

LoneStarDawg

PurpleThrobber said:

Bottom line: Portland is a third world shithole.

Not the hottest take until you dig into the reasons and also understand it’s coming from an ashamed bleeding heart liberal and a well traveled gay British guy

LebamDawg

Does this mean Portland takes the lead over Seattle

We? better get a new coach

PurpleThrobber

LoneStarDawg said:

PurpleThrobber said:

Bottom line: Portland is a third world shithole.

Not the hottest take until you dig into the reasons and also understand it’s coming from an ashamed bleeding heart liberal and a well traveled gay British guy

Just listened to the whole pod

Perhaps the best analysis I’ve ever heard. Two super smart guys breaking it down.

LoneStarDawg

PurpleThrobber said:

LoneStarDawg said:

PurpleThrobber said:

Bottom line: Portland is a third world shithole.

Not the hottest take until you dig into the reasons and also understand it’s coming from an ashamed bleeding heart liberal and a well traveled gay British guy

Just listened to the whole pod

Perhaps the best analysis I’ve ever heard. Two super smart guys breaking it down.

Equal parts enlightening and terrifying

PurpleThrobber

LoneStarDawg said:

PurpleThrobber said:

LoneStarDawg said:

PurpleThrobber said:

Bottom line: Portland is a third world shithole.

Not the hottest take until you dig into the reasons and also understand it’s coming from an ashamed bleeding heart liberal and a well traveled gay British guy

Just listened to the whole pod

Perhaps the best analysis I’ve ever heard. Two super smart guys breaking it down.

Equal parts enlightening and terrifying

Yes. Exactly. Must listen stuff.

Weinstein is a gift from real god.

LoneStarDawg

PurpleThrobber said:

LoneStarDawg said:

PurpleThrobber said:

LoneStarDawg said:

PurpleThrobber said:

Bottom line: Portland is a third world shithole.

Not the hottest take until you dig into the reasons and also understand it’s coming from an ashamed bleeding heart liberal and a well traveled gay British guy

Just listened to the whole pod

Perhaps the best analysis I’ve ever heard. Two super smart guys breaking it down.

Equal parts enlightening and terrifying

Yes. Exactly. Must listen stuff.

Weinstein is a gift from real god.

WeinsteinS

I’m one hour into Douglas Murray with Eric Weinstein and I think I’m in for a ride

Bob_C

Weinstein: I don’t like centrists because they are tepid

DerekJohnson

creepycoug said:

Murray is an interesting dude. I find that I agree with a lot of what he says.

I knew little about him, and had this impression of him as a conservative who perhaps was tinged with a racist outlook. That was a very unfair assessment for me to make, but it was based on things I heard and read. But when I heard him on Rogan, and then yesterday with Weinstein, I loved the guy. I'm totally on board. Brilliant thinker, big balls, and much foresight.

He travels the USA and can see things as an outsider. I winced when he said it is shocking how poorly educated the vast majority of Americans are and what that portends for our future.

I agree when he said that the future of the world hinges greatly on how America fares.

doogie

Bob_C said:

Weinstein: I don’t like centrists because they are tepid

@MelloDawg true??!?

creepycoug

DerekJohnson said:

creepycoug said:

Murray is an interesting dude. I find that I agree with a lot of what he says.

I knew little about him, and had this impression of him as a conservative who perhaps was tinged with a racist outlook. That was a very unfair assessment for me to make, but it was based on things I heard and read. But when I heard him on Rogan, and then yesterday with Weinstein, I loved the guy. I'm totally on board. Brilliant thinker, big balls, and much foresight.

He travels the USA and can see things as an outsider. I winced when he said it is shocking how poorly educated the vast majority of Americans are and what that portends for our future.

I agree when he said that the future of the world hinges greatly on how America fares.

I picked up on him on youtube when watching a talk with Peterson, whom I also like but find to be a little more ... manic? Anyway I started with Murray and am hooked. I want to find the time to read some of his work. Right now, all I have are his podcasts and interviews.

He's incredibly bright, obviously. He's changed my views, or at least forced me to question my views, on a dozen or so topics, and confirmed my views on many others. He says what a lot of smart people are afraid to say, but without the bombast and a political agenda. He is, for me, kind of an oracle of the truth, wherever it may fall on the spectrum of political, religious or economic beliefs. He's pretty clear. Brilliant social commentary.

creepycoug

DerekJohnson said:

creepycoug said:

Murray is an interesting dude. I find that I agree with a lot of what he says.

I knew little about him, and had this impression of him as a conservative who perhaps was tinged with a racist outlook. That was a very unfair assessment for me to make, but it was based on things I heard and read. But when I heard him on Rogan, and then yesterday with Weinstein, I loved the guy. I'm totally on board. Brilliant thinker, big balls, and much foresight.

He travels the USA and can see things as an outsider. I winced when he said it is shocking how poorly educated the vast majority of Americans are and what that portends for our future.

I agree when he said that the future of the world hinges greatly on how America fares.

In a debate about "Wild Olympics", my mother-in-law tried to correct me when I said the national parks are public land. She comes from a family, and an era, where you believe what you've been told to believe, you stick to it to the death, and even make some shit up in your head along the way to confirm what you have committed to believe.

She's a woman of otherwise above (just above)-average intelligence. My mother used to pass Green Peace-printed checks in Aberdeen in the 80s (that was fun). My father is as far right as she is left. They both say and believe objectively rather crazy things.

Fire_Marshall_Bill

Weinstein was banned from Fagbook for no given reason except the old arbitrary "Violation of Community Standards" (been there about 15 times). These are dark tims. When I feel almost compelled to vote for a guy like Trump, it's scary.

creepycoug

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

Weinstein was banned from Fagbook for no given reason except the old arbitrary "Violation of Community Standards" (been there about 15 times). These are dark tims. When I feel almost compelled to vote for a guy like Trump, it's scary.

Weinstein? Of the Harvey Weinteins?

MelloDawg

doogie said:

Bob_C said:

Weinstein: I don’t like centrists because they are tepid

@MelloDawg true??!?

We are. Being a perpetual fence sitter doesn’t allow me much enthusiasm for either side.