Official final Debate game thread
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Sad!!rustysavage said:
Voting for Trump in my county is like yelling in the wind basically. Hillary beat Don by 210k votes last time around. It's quite possibly going to be an even bigger margin this time.Pitchfork51 said:Undecided on candidate yeah. But many that are on the fence about voting at all
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Don't you have 211K dead people you can do ballots for? Come on man! Get out the deceased vote!rustysavage said:
Voting for Trump in my county is like yelling in the wind basically. Hillary beat Don by 210k votes last time around. It's quite possibly going to be an even bigger margin this time.Pitchfork51 said:Undecided on candidate yeah. But many that are on the fence about voting at all
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rustysavage said:
Voting for Trump in my county is like yelling in the wind basically. Hillary beat Don by 210k votes last time around. It's quite possibly going to be an even bigger margin this time.Pitchfork51 said:Undecided on candidate yeah. But many that are on the fence about voting at all
Fuck, when the civil war hits you'll have tons of funrustysavage said:
Voting for Trump in my county is like yelling in the wind basically. Hillary beat Don by 210k votes last time around. It's quite possibly going to be an even bigger margin this time.Pitchfork51 said:Undecided on candidate yeah. But many that are on the fence about voting at all
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To your point, Trump doesn't need to eloquently speak on policy. Pence can do that.GreenRiverGatorz said:I thought Trump "won", whatever that means, because despite @Tequilla's misconceptions, nobody was going to be swayed by either man 12 days prior to the election. Biden looked older than he ever has.
With the theatrics cut down due to the mic muting (which helped Trump because it prevented him from caving in to his worst impulses), both frankly looked awful when they were discussing actual policy. Neither man could string together a two minute segment without getting distracted and rambling off onto some other tangent.
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So much this. Joe needs people to turn out for him. If parts of his base erode like the inner city black vote or the radical left he's toast.Pitchfork51 said:Undecided on candidate yeah. But many that are on the fence about voting at all
1994 crime bill and super predators probably just got Googled a lot.
Joe just flip flopped on fracking again.
It won't flip votes but it will discourage voters he needs to turn up en masse. -
Joe did everything possible last night to keep the base home. From blaming Obama to shitting on AOC Plus 3 and the Green New Deal which he is against or for depending on the dayUW_Doog_Bot said:
So much this. Joe needs people to turn out for him. If parts of his base erode like the inner city black vote or the radical left he's toast.Pitchfork51 said:Undecided on candidate yeah. But many that are on the fence about voting at all
1994 crime bill and super predators probably just got Googled a lot.
Joe just flip flopped on fracking again.
It won't flip votes but it will discourage voters he needs to turn up en masse. -
You're right that that ends up being the case, and frankly Biden/Harris can make the same argument. And maybe I'm old fashioned, but I prefer my candidates for the most important office in the world to be able to at least marginally articulate the various policies they're putting forward. And from my grading, both guys fell well short of that already low bar. But it's been obvious for awhile that policy coherence is not a huge piece of criteria for voters, so my grading doesn't really mean shit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
To your point, Trump doesn't need to eloquently speak on policy. Pence can do that.GreenRiverGatorz said:I thought Trump "won", whatever that means, because despite @Tequilla's misconceptions, nobody was going to be swayed by either man 12 days prior to the election. Biden looked older than he ever has.
With the theatrics cut down due to the mic muting (which helped Trump because it prevented him from caving in to his worst impulses), both frankly looked awful when they were discussing actual policy. Neither man could string together a two minute segment without getting distracted and rambling off onto some other tangent.
Trump is the President because of his attack, attack, attack mindset. -
That's actually a really good cut at the categories.PurpleThrobber said:
The modern left has three flavors:LoneStarDawg said:
1. Affluent white guilt cocktail party libs
2. All about the feels/mean orange man/save the world naive fucks
3. Radicals
Problem is 1 and 2 are so deep into their shit, they can't see they are being played by Group 3. -
Eh, somewhat disagree. That's a fair description of Biden all night save for one or two points. Trump was much more articulate. Yeah, he wanders into the "I'm hearing" and "the most beautiful [fill in the blank]". Of course, neither has any specifics on healthcare because it remains one of our most intractible issues as a country.GreenRiverGatorz said:I thought Trump "won", whatever that means, because despite @Tequilla's misconceptions, nobody was going to be swayed by either man 12 days prior to the election. Biden looked older than he ever has.
With the theatrics cut down due to the mic muting (which helped Trump because it prevented him from caving in to his worst impulses), both frankly looked awful when they were discussing actual policy. Neither man could string together a two minute segment without getting distracted and rambling off onto some other tangent.
But overall Trump came off much better. When he tones down just a couple of notches it does him so many favors. He's confident in what he's about to say and he just says it. Much better on his feet too.
Agree nobody's changing votes at this 11th hour; but Trump came off more put together. Biden is an unmitigated disaster as a candidate. -
This.creepycoug said:
Eh, somewhat disagree. That's a fair description of Biden all night save for one or two points. Trump was much more articulate. Yeah, he wanders into the "I'm hearing" and "the most beautiful [fill in the blank]". Of course, neither has any specifics on healthcare because it remains one of our most intractible issues as a country.GreenRiverGatorz said:I thought Trump "won", whatever that means, because despite @Tequilla's misconceptions, nobody was going to be swayed by either man 12 days prior to the election. Biden looked older than he ever has.
With the theatrics cut down due to the mic muting (which helped Trump because it prevented him from caving in to his worst impulses), both frankly looked awful when they were discussing actual policy. Neither man could string together a two minute segment without getting distracted and rambling off onto some other tangent.
But overall Trump came off much better. When he tones down just a couple of notches it does him so many favors. He's confident in what he's about to say and he just says it. Much better on his feet too.
Agree nobody's changing votes at this 11th hour; but Trump came off more put together. Biden is an unmitigated disaster as a candidate. -
I feel like maybe Trump could broker a peace deal between Olympia and Aberdeencreepycoug said:
Eh, somewhat disagree. That's a fair description of Biden all night save for one or two points. Trump was much more articulate. Yeah, he wanders into the "I'm hearing" and "the most beautiful [fill in the blank]". Of course, neither has any specifics on healthcare because it remains one of our most intractible issues as a country.GreenRiverGatorz said:I thought Trump "won", whatever that means, because despite @Tequilla's misconceptions, nobody was going to be swayed by either man 12 days prior to the election. Biden looked older than he ever has.
With the theatrics cut down due to the mic muting (which helped Trump because it prevented him from caving in to his worst impulses), both frankly looked awful when they were discussing actual policy. Neither man could string together a two minute segment without getting distracted and rambling off onto some other tangent.
But overall Trump came off much better. When he tones down just a couple of notches it does him so many favors. He's confident in what he's about to say and he just says it. Much better on his feet too.
Agree nobody's changing votes at this 11th hour; but Trump came off more put together. Biden is an unmitigated disaster as a candidate.
If you can change and I can change then why can't we all change? -
That shouldn't be too bad actually. Their weaponry consists of trash can lids and whatever rocks they can gather up, which isn't too concerning since none of them played baseball.RoadTrip said:rustysavage said:
Voting for Trump in my county is like yelling in the wind basically. Hillary beat Don by 210k votes last time around. It's quite possibly going to be an even bigger margin this time.Pitchfork51 said:Undecided on candidate yeah. But many that are on the fence about voting at all
Fuck, when the civil war hits you'll have tons of funrustysavage said:
Voting for Trump in my county is like yelling in the wind basically. Hillary beat Don by 210k votes last time around. It's quite possibly going to be an even bigger margin this time.Pitchfork51 said:Undecided on candidate yeah. But many that are on the fence about voting at all
The ones that would actually try to fight use public transport, and I doubt Tri-Met is gonna mobilize into a fleet of war buses for them. Those with vehicles (or any sort of means) won't be leaving their homes up in the hills, cus they don't actually give a shit.
Not to mention, the rest of Oregon (besides Eugene lol) will be climbing over each other to get up here and get some kills before there's none left to be had.
My only real concern is them going on our job site and stealing our brick again cus these ones are custom and would take forever to get resupplied with.
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[Winds of Change.gif]?RaceBannon said:
I feel like maybe Trump could broker a peace deal between Olympia and Aberdeencreepycoug said:
Eh, somewhat disagree. That's a fair description of Biden all night save for one or two points. Trump was much more articulate. Yeah, he wanders into the "I'm hearing" and "the most beautiful [fill in the blank]". Of course, neither has any specifics on healthcare because it remains one of our most intractible issues as a country.GreenRiverGatorz said:I thought Trump "won", whatever that means, because despite @Tequilla's misconceptions, nobody was going to be swayed by either man 12 days prior to the election. Biden looked older than he ever has.
With the theatrics cut down due to the mic muting (which helped Trump because it prevented him from caving in to his worst impulses), both frankly looked awful when they were discussing actual policy. Neither man could string together a two minute segment without getting distracted and rambling off onto some other tangent.
But overall Trump came off much better. When he tones down just a couple of notches it does him so many favors. He's confident in what he's about to say and he just says it. Much better on his feet too.
Agree nobody's changing votes at this 11th hour; but Trump came off more put together. Biden is an unmitigated disaster as a candidate.
If you can change and I can change then why can't we all change? -
Disagree. Know plenty. Self-hatred is not a good quality in folks...UW_Doog_Bot said:
No one in "energy" is voting for Biden. Hth.Sledog said: -
Anyone who is on board with net neutral emissions by 2025, or 35, or my lifetim, and is willing to live under the yoke of TGND, should be idenfied by senior management and fired from any self-respecting energy company forthwith.HoustonHusky said:
Disagree. Know plenty. Self-hatred is not a good quality in folks...UW_Doog_Bot said:
No one in "energy" is voting for Biden. Hth.Sledog said: -
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Weird. Even out here in Lala land very few and far between and I cover most of Cali in my walks. My family is also about as well connected in the Industry as it gets.HoustonHusky said:
Disagree. Know plenty. Self-hatred is not a good quality in folks...UW_Doog_Bot said:
No one in "energy" is voting for Biden. Hth.Sledog said:
Maybe Tracy in HR is a Biden voter but I consider her in "energy" about as much as our payroll contractors. -
Pics?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Weird. Even out here in Lala land very few and far between and I cover most of Cali in my walks. My family is also about as well connected in the Industry as it gets.HoustonHusky said:
Disagree. Know plenty. Self-hatred is not a good quality in folks...UW_Doog_Bot said:
No one in "energy" is voting for Biden. Hth.Sledog said:
Maybe Tracy in HR is a Biden voter but I consider her in "energy" about as much as our payroll contractors. -
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Unfortunately, there is literally hundreds of billions in dollars in "green" energy subsidies and government mandates. You can be raking in lots of money with solar, wind, and ethanol and electric cars based on these subsidies and mandates.creepycoug said:
Anyone who is on board with net neutral emissions by 2025, or 35, or my lifetim, and is willing to live under the yoke of TGND, should be idenfied by senior management and fired from any self-respecting energy company forthwith.HoustonHusky said:
Disagree. Know plenty. Self-hatred is not a good quality in folks...UW_Doog_Bot said:
No one in "energy" is voting for Biden. Hth.Sledog said: -
Biden seemed to think it was malarkey that wind kills birds and then mocked Trump for claiming wind causes cancer
Trump pointed out the toxic waste and greenhouse gas to manufacture and ship wind turbines. That kill birds bigly
Biden is his voters - dumb as a fucking rock on energy
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Joe believes that wind turbines just appear out of thin air to generate electricity without a massive fossil fuel effort to build even one. Drive east in the Gorge last The Dallas’s on I-84 and you get to see how huge they are. The raw materials and energy to build even one arm has to be worse on the environment than the minimal electricity produced by them.RaceBannon said:Biden seemed to think it was malarkey that wind kills birds and then mocked Trump for claiming wind causes cancer
Trump pointed out the toxic waste and greenhouse gas to manufacture and ship wind turbines. That kill birds bigly
Biden is his voters - dumb as a fucking rock on energy
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They're also extremely naive. How's that gonna even get pulled off from a logistical point of view?? They've been adding a lane to I-205 for the past 10 years and still aren't even close to done. But we're gonna somehow demo and rebuild god knows how many buildings AND transition our entire fleet of vehicles from combustion? To call it unrealistic isn't enough, it's extreme delusions at minimum.creepycoug said:
Anyone who is on board with net neutral emissions by 2025, or 35, or my lifetim, and is willing to live under the yoke of TGND, should be idenfied by senior management and fired from any self-respecting energy company forthwith.HoustonHusky said:
Disagree. Know plenty. Self-hatred is not a good quality in folks...UW_Doog_Bot said:
No one in "energy" is voting for Biden. Hth.Sledog said:
By the way who's gonna do all this work? Not the guys who are capable and willing since most are retired or will be in the next few years. Not the 25-45 age range, there's a huge lack of numbers in that demographic due to the tech industry exploding during our youth. Then u got the new wave which has zero interest in any sort of physical work. My company literally recruits from high schools like the military. Start at $20/hr and after two weeks $22. Make it thru the first summer $25-26 with full benefits, even if ur lazy or can't learn, as long as u show up u can have that at age 18-19. We got 2 (one is a worthless piece of shit) to stick last year out of ~ 30. Got 0 this summer after our last hope quit cus the forest fire smoke was "hurting his eyes", and no he didn't come back the following week when it was gone. I shit u not, he decided to move to Bend to work at Dutch Bros with his gf.
It's similar for every trade right now and is gonna get worse in a hurry. -
Yeah I caught thatNorthwestFresh said: -
Under reported issuerustysavage said:
They're also extremely naive. How's that gonna even get pulled off from a logistical point of view?? They've been adding a lane to I-205 for the past 10 years and still aren't even close to done. But we're gonna somehow demo and rebuild god knows how many buildings AND transition our entire fleet of vehicles from combustion? To call it unrealistic isn't enough, it's extreme delusions at minimum.creepycoug said:
Anyone who is on board with net neutral emissions by 2025, or 35, or my lifetim, and is willing to live under the yoke of TGND, should be idenfied by senior management and fired from any self-respecting energy company forthwith.HoustonHusky said:
Disagree. Know plenty. Self-hatred is not a good quality in folks...UW_Doog_Bot said:
No one in "energy" is voting for Biden. Hth.Sledog said:
By the way who's gonna do all this work? Not the guys who are capable and willing since most are retired or will be in the next few years. Not the 25-45 age range, there's a huge lack of numbers in that demographic due to the tech industry exploding during our youth. Then u got the new wave which has zero interest in any sort of physical work. My company literally recruits from high schools like the military. Start at $20/hr and after two weeks $22. Make it thru the first summer $25-26 with full benefits, even if ur lazy or can't learn, as long as u show up u can have that at age 18-19. We got 2 (one is a worthless piece of shit) to stick last year out of ~ 30. Got 0 this summer after our last hope quit cus the forest fire smoke was "hurting his eyes", and no he didn't come back the following week when it was gone. I shit u not, he decided to move to Bend to work at Dutch Bros with his gf.
It's similar for every trade right now and is gonna get worse in a hurry.
The tech boom and the worthless degree syndrome
An actual skill in the trades is a license to print money today and the path to your own business. Needs to be shouted from the mountain tops -
I live in Troutdale, drive 84 everyday and ur damn right they're MASSIVE. They can only haul one propeller at a time, on a flatbed semi, going 40mph tops, while taking up 2 full lanes, and flanked by 4 oversize load vehicles. Nothing about the process is eco friendly lol.NorthwestFresh said:
Joe believes that wind turbines just appear out of thin air to generate electricity without a massive fossil fuel effort to build even one. Drive east in the Gorge last The Dallas’s on I-84 and you get to see how huge they are. The raw materials and energy to build even one arm has to be worse on the environment than the minimal electricity produced by them.RaceBannon said:Biden seemed to think it was malarkey that wind kills birds and then mocked Trump for claiming wind causes cancer
Trump pointed out the toxic waste and greenhouse gas to manufacture and ship wind turbines. That kill birds bigly
Biden is his voters - dumb as a fucking rock on energy
He really is that dumb. -
Anyone else catch where Joe lied about solar and wind not getting federal subsidies or tax credits?rustysavage said:
I live in Troutdale, drive 84 everyday and ur damn right they're MASSIVE. They can only haul one propeller at a time, on a flatbed semi, going 40mph tops, while taking up 2 full lanes, and flanked by 4 oversize load vehicles. Nothing about the process is eco friendly lol.NorthwestFresh said:
Joe believes that wind turbines just appear out of thin air to generate electricity without a massive fossil fuel effort to build even one. Drive east in the Gorge last The Dallas’s on I-84 and you get to see how huge they are. The raw materials and energy to build even one arm has to be worse on the environment than the minimal electricity produced by them.RaceBannon said:Biden seemed to think it was malarkey that wind kills birds and then mocked Trump for claiming wind causes cancer
Trump pointed out the toxic waste and greenhouse gas to manufacture and ship wind turbines. That kill birds bigly
Biden is his voters - dumb as a fucking rock on energy
He really is that dumb.
He wants to completely revamp the energy grid yet he doesn’t even know the basic financials of solar and wind at present.
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Yeah and he repeated the tired lefty lie about the oil companies receiving "subsidies."NorthwestFresh said:
Anyone else catch where Joe lied about solar and wind not getting federal subsidies or tax credits?rustysavage said:
I live in Troutdale, drive 84 everyday and ur damn right they're MASSIVE. They can only haul one propeller at a time, on a flatbed semi, going 40mph tops, while taking up 2 full lanes, and flanked by 4 oversize load vehicles. Nothing about the process is eco friendly lol.NorthwestFresh said:
Joe believes that wind turbines just appear out of thin air to generate electricity without a massive fossil fuel effort to build even one. Drive east in the Gorge last The Dallas’s on I-84 and you get to see how huge they are. The raw materials and energy to build even one arm has to be worse on the environment than the minimal electricity produced by them.RaceBannon said:Biden seemed to think it was malarkey that wind kills birds and then mocked Trump for claiming wind causes cancer
Trump pointed out the toxic waste and greenhouse gas to manufacture and ship wind turbines. That kill birds bigly
Biden is his voters - dumb as a fucking rock on energy
He really is that dumb.
He wants to completely revamp the energy grid yet he doesn’t even know the basic financials of solar and wind at present. -
Problem is a decent chunk of them are senior management...creepycoug said:
Anyone who is on board with net neutral emissions by 2025, or 35, or my lifetim, and is willing to live under the yoke of TGND, should be idenfied by senior management and fired from any self-respecting energy company forthwith.HoustonHusky said:
Disagree. Know plenty. Self-hatred is not a good quality in folks...UW_Doog_Bot said:
No one in "energy" is voting for Biden. Hth.Sledog said: -
Biden’s “plan” to eliminate fossil fuels sounds like something a kindergartner would come up with in colored crayons nexts to a drawn picture of a unicorn.
