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  • Woof
    Woof Member Posts: 770
    Blu82 said:

    Gladstone said:

    That is goddamn perfect lmao. I still watch the NBA (FTLOTG) but the messaging got annoying months ago. I don’t like being told I’m an inherently evil person because I’m white nor do I like being lectured on what a terrible country this is that has afforded them opportunities most would literally die for their families to have. While they praise China. Fuck outta here.

    I haven’t watched more than a few min of a couple games, but feel similarly. They gotta get hit where it hurts. That happened with China so they cater to them. It can happen here if enough people don’t watch.

    I’m not sold that people aren’t watching. The ratings are low but the bubble and Finals being held in October have something to do with that.
    WTF???

    Rating are low but it is not due to people not watching.
    Can someone explain this, please?
    My bad. Here I thought people watching is what made ratings.

    I think his point is that ratings are down across the board for sports, with the slight exception of the NFL. It's a broader issue impacting all sports rather than one specifically related to wokeness (or lack thereof).

    - Stanley Cup ratings were down 60%
    - Tennis is down 55%
    - Kentucky Derby was down 45%
    - Baseball is down 50%

    I wouldn't say that any of those sports are pushing the social justice messaging like the NBA, but their ratings have suffered to the same degree.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,763 Standard Supporter
    Work isn't about politics. You have no right to spout your political BS publicly at work! Owners should shut all this shit down! They are there to play the game for our entertainment. Spout your BS on your own time!
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,884 Founders Club
    People are no longer saying sports could be played in a studio

    Turns out to enjoy it at home 70,000 paying customers makes it much better
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Woke sports athletes have been claiming they are oppressed by playing. They would know. I have no ability to understand this position they’ve taken so, I take them at their word.

    I am Against oppression.

    Therefore I support all athletes Against oppression and no longer support Sports as a vehicle for continued oppression Against athletes.

    Instead, I will pray for the Athletes to escape their Oppression. I support the immediate end of Athlete oppression. I support the immediate termination of all sports.

    Freedom.
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    Sledog said:

    Work isn't about politics. You have no right to spout your political BS publicly at work! Owners should shut all this shit down! They are there to play the game for our entertainment. Spout your BS on your own time!

    You don't seem to grasp the concept of leverage. Suzie the payroll clerk needs to be careful using her company platform and time to blast controversial political memes. She's replaceable and her company doesn't need the headache. They'll have a new Suzie before the weekend.

    A star basketball player has a lot more leeway to say whatever the fuck he wants. Sure, if the owner decides he crossed the line and is a net loss for the franchise due to his activism, then maybe he'll get cut. But in the case of the NBA that's yet to happen. Perhaps Race's theory of declining ratings will change that calculus and outspoken ballplayers will start getting cut if they don't shut up. The market may finally speak in the other direction. Or maybe not. Right now the players have fucking leverage and you're just here to whine about it.
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,570 Standard Supporter
    The fun starts when as a result of the chicom crud and the wokeness the NFL salary cap and the NBA salary cap take a big hit.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,884 Founders Club
    The NBA put it out there that their employees could talk about politics in the work place even as it may alienate fans and American companies. They put politics on the court in big bold letters

    To then turn around and protect China by making them off limits which only alienated the customer more is called hypocrisy. And stupidity
  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,623 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    Work isn't about politics. You have no right to spout your political BS publicly at work! Owners should shut all this shit down! They are there to play the game for our entertainment. Spout your BS on your own time!

    You don't seem to grasp the concept of leverage. Suzie the payroll clerk needs to be careful using her company platform and time to blast controversial political memes. She's replaceable and her company doesn't need the headache. They'll have a new Suzie before the weekend.

    A star basketball player has a lot more leeway to say whatever the fuck he wants. Sure, if the owner decides he crossed the line and is a net loss for the franchise due to his activism, then maybe he'll get cut. But in the case of the NBA that's yet to happen. Perhaps Race's theory of declining ratings will change that calculus and outspoken ballplayers will start getting cut if they don't shut up. The market may finally speak in the other direction. Or maybe not. Right now the players have fucking leverage and you're just here to whine about it.
    With ratings tanking, how much of that leverage is left?

    1998 Finals had 30,000,000 people watching

    I think one of these games had under 5. Even factoring Orlando, political debates, and other sports, it's a disaster.

    I hope the NBA withers and goes the way of boxing if this is how they're going to act.
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165

    Sledog said:

    Work isn't about politics. You have no right to spout your political BS publicly at work! Owners should shut all this shit down! They are there to play the game for our entertainment. Spout your BS on your own time!

    You don't seem to grasp the concept of leverage. Suzie the payroll clerk needs to be careful using her company platform and time to blast controversial political memes. She's replaceable and her company doesn't need the headache. They'll have a new Suzie before the weekend.

    A star basketball player has a lot more leeway to say whatever the fuck he wants. Sure, if the owner decides he crossed the line and is a net loss for the franchise due to his activism, then maybe he'll get cut. But in the case of the NBA that's yet to happen. Perhaps Race's theory of declining ratings will change that calculus and outspoken ballplayers will start getting cut if they don't shut up. The market may finally speak in the other direction. Or maybe not. Right now the players have fucking leverage and you're just here to whine about it.
    With ratings tanking, how much of that leverage is left?

    1998 Finals had 30,000,000 people watching

    I think one of these games had under 5. Even factoring Orlando, political debates, and other sports, it's a disaster.

    I hope the NBA withers and goes the way of boxing if this is how they're going to act.
    Like I said, perhaps Race's theory of ratings will change the owners' tolerance about the players' outspokenness.
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,570 Standard Supporter
    Toss in the loss of ticket revenue. Also, local TV and radio rights have also plummeted. Will definitely impact the value of renewal rights.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,763 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    Work isn't about politics. You have no right to spout your political BS publicly at work! Owners should shut all this shit down! They are there to play the game for our entertainment. Spout your BS on your own time!

    You don't seem to grasp the concept of leverage. Suzie the payroll clerk needs to be careful using her company platform and time to blast controversial political memes. She's replaceable and her company doesn't need the headache. They'll have a new Suzie before the weekend.

    A star basketball player has a lot more leeway to say whatever the fuck he wants. Sure, if the owner decides he crossed the line and is a net loss for the franchise due to his activism, then maybe he'll get cut. But in the case of the NBA that's yet to happen. Perhaps Race's theory of declining ratings will change that calculus and outspoken ballplayers will start getting cut if they don't shut up. The market may finally speak in the other direction. Or maybe not. Right now the players have fucking leverage and you're just here to whine about it.
    He can say exactly what the boss says he can say. You do not have free speech at your place of employment. Their fame lets them do that off the clock. No need to stink up the work place and cause people that don't agree with you not to spend money on the team via tickets, clothing etc. Bad business.

  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Work isn't about politics. You have no right to spout your political BS publicly at work! Owners should shut all this shit down! They are there to play the game for our entertainment. Spout your BS on your own time!

    You don't seem to grasp the concept of leverage. Suzie the payroll clerk needs to be careful using her company platform and time to blast controversial political memes. She's replaceable and her company doesn't need the headache. They'll have a new Suzie before the weekend.

    A star basketball player has a lot more leeway to say whatever the fuck he wants. Sure, if the owner decides he crossed the line and is a net loss for the franchise due to his activism, then maybe he'll get cut. But in the case of the NBA that's yet to happen. Perhaps Race's theory of declining ratings will change that calculus and outspoken ballplayers will start getting cut if they don't shut up. The market may finally speak in the other direction. Or maybe not. Right now the players have fucking leverage and you're just here to whine about it.
    He can say exactly what the boss says he can say. You do not have free speech at your place of employment. Their fame lets them do that off the clock. No need to stink up the work place and cause people that don't agree with you not to spend money on the team via tickets, clothing etc. Bad business.

    The bosses seem to be letting them say whatever they want. Tough shit.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,763 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Work isn't about politics. You have no right to spout your political BS publicly at work! Owners should shut all this shit down! They are there to play the game for our entertainment. Spout your BS on your own time!

    You don't seem to grasp the concept of leverage. Suzie the payroll clerk needs to be careful using her company platform and time to blast controversial political memes. She's replaceable and her company doesn't need the headache. They'll have a new Suzie before the weekend.

    A star basketball player has a lot more leeway to say whatever the fuck he wants. Sure, if the owner decides he crossed the line and is a net loss for the franchise due to his activism, then maybe he'll get cut. But in the case of the NBA that's yet to happen. Perhaps Race's theory of declining ratings will change that calculus and outspoken ballplayers will start getting cut if they don't shut up. The market may finally speak in the other direction. Or maybe not. Right now the players have fucking leverage and you're just here to whine about it.
    He can say exactly what the boss says he can say. You do not have free speech at your place of employment. Their fame lets them do that off the clock. No need to stink up the work place and cause people that don't agree with you not to spend money on the team via tickets, clothing etc. Bad business.

    The bosses seem to be letting them say whatever they want. Tough shit.
    I could care less about the NBA. Not a sport I like so fuck it. Let it die from it's own stupidity. You can cry.
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    As long as you can care less, that’s all the NBA is asking of you right now. Keep hope alive.
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Work isn't about politics. You have no right to spout your political BS publicly at work! Owners should shut all this shit down! They are there to play the game for our entertainment. Spout your BS on your own time!

    You don't seem to grasp the concept of leverage. Suzie the payroll clerk needs to be careful using her company platform and time to blast controversial political memes. She's replaceable and her company doesn't need the headache. They'll have a new Suzie before the weekend.

    A star basketball player has a lot more leeway to say whatever the fuck he wants. Sure, if the owner decides he crossed the line and is a net loss for the franchise due to his activism, then maybe he'll get cut. But in the case of the NBA that's yet to happen. Perhaps Race's theory of declining ratings will change that calculus and outspoken ballplayers will start getting cut if they don't shut up. The market may finally speak in the other direction. Or maybe not. Right now the players have fucking leverage and you're just here to whine about it.
    He can say exactly what the boss says he can say. You do not have free speech at your place of employment. Their fame lets them do that off the clock. No need to stink up the work place and cause people that don't agree with you not to spend money on the team via tickets, clothing etc. Bad business.

    The bosses seem to be letting them say whatever they want. Tough shit.
    I could care less about the NBA. Not a sport I like so fuck it. Let it die from it's own stupidity. You can cry.
    Lol
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,763 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Work isn't about politics. You have no right to spout your political BS publicly at work! Owners should shut all this shit down! They are there to play the game for our entertainment. Spout your BS on your own time!

    You don't seem to grasp the concept of leverage. Suzie the payroll clerk needs to be careful using her company platform and time to blast controversial political memes. She's replaceable and her company doesn't need the headache. They'll have a new Suzie before the weekend.

    A star basketball player has a lot more leeway to say whatever the fuck he wants. Sure, if the owner decides he crossed the line and is a net loss for the franchise due to his activism, then maybe he'll get cut. But in the case of the NBA that's yet to happen. Perhaps Race's theory of declining ratings will change that calculus and outspoken ballplayers will start getting cut if they don't shut up. The market may finally speak in the other direction. Or maybe not. Right now the players have fucking leverage and you're just here to whine about it.
    He can say exactly what the boss says he can say. You do not have free speech at your place of employment. Their fame lets them do that off the clock. No need to stink up the work place and cause people that don't agree with you not to spend money on the team via tickets, clothing etc. Bad business.

    The bosses seem to be letting them say whatever they want. Tough shit.
    That's the bosses fault. If it kills the game they lose.

    I oppose the thought that it's the players right to speak out while on the company dime. That's really the narrative right now.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    Looks like Dori Monson is not the LeBron James of radio. Suspended
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,570 Standard Supporter
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Work isn't about politics. You have no right to spout your political BS publicly at work! Owners should shut all this shit down! They are there to play the game for our entertainment. Spout your BS on your own time!

    You don't seem to grasp the concept of leverage. Suzie the payroll clerk needs to be careful using her company platform and time to blast controversial political memes. She's replaceable and her company doesn't need the headache. They'll have a new Suzie before the weekend.

    A star basketball player has a lot more leeway to say whatever the fuck he wants. Sure, if the owner decides he crossed the line and is a net loss for the franchise due to his activism, then maybe he'll get cut. But in the case of the NBA that's yet to happen. Perhaps Race's theory of declining ratings will change that calculus and outspoken ballplayers will start getting cut if they don't shut up. The market may finally speak in the other direction. Or maybe not. Right now the players have fucking leverage and you're just here to whine about it.
    He can say exactly what the boss says he can say. You do not have free speech at your place of employment. Their fame lets them do that off the clock. No need to stink up the work place and cause people that don't agree with you not to spend money on the team via tickets, clothing etc. Bad business.

    The bosses seem to be letting them say whatever they want. Tough shit.
    That's the bosses fault. If it kills the game they lose.

    I oppose the thought that it's the players right to speak out while on the company dime. That's really the narrative right now.
    Curt Schilling found out which way ESPN rolls.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,884 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    Looks like Dori Monson is not the LeBron James of radio. Suspended

    He said in Washington state where Inslee says its run by Science he can go to a court and change his gender

    Truth hurts fascist leaders
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898

    HHusky said:

    Looks like Dori Monson is not the LeBron James of radio. Suspended

    He said in Washington state where Inslee says its run by Science he can go to a court and change his gender

    Truth hurts fascist leaders
    I believe the Seahawks are a business organization.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,884 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Looks like Dori Monson is not the LeBron James of radio. Suspended

    He said in Washington state where Inslee says its run by Science he can go to a court and change his gender

    Truth hurts fascist leaders
    I believe the Seahawks are a business organization.
    Thank you for that irrelevant comment

    I didn't say he couldn't be fired

    You science illiteracy is well documented here so sit it out champ
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Looks like Dori Monson is not the LeBron James of radio. Suspended

    He said in Washington state where Inslee says its run by Science he can go to a court and change his gender

    Truth hurts fascist leaders
    I believe the Seahawks are a business organization.
    Thank you for that irrelevant comment

    I didn't say he couldn't be fired

    You science illiteracy is well documented here so sit it out champ
    But you invoked fascism, old boy. That word doesn’t mean what you apparently think it does.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,884 Founders Club
    Because Inslee is a fascist who has destroyed numerous businesses with his fake science

    And the Seahawks are supporting him

    And science says gender is determined by a court filing

    Like I said, sit it out. We know you vote for this idiots and support firing people for telling the truth

  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898

    We know you vote for this idiots and support firing people for telling the truth

    Dori's comment seemed pretty innocuous to me.

    As for Inslee, he's gotten Covid right, but he's not a great governor. Still, the GOP can't figure out how to pull itself out of the ditch on the right hand side of the road. Not much of a choice.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,763 Standard Supporter

    Because Inslee is a fascist who has destroyed numerous businesses with his fake science

    And the Seahawks are supporting him

    And science says gender is determined by a court filing

    Like I said, sit it out. We know you vote for this idiots and support firing people for telling the truth

    HH can' decide on a restroom let alone anything else.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,076
    HHusky said:

    We know you vote for this idiots and support firing people for telling the truth

    Dori's comment seemed pretty innocuous to me.

    As for Inslee, he's gotten Covid right, but he's not a great governor. Still, the GOP can't figure out how to pull itself out of the ditch on the right hand side of the road. Not much of a choice.
    Inslee didn’t get Covid right. The fuck out of here with that bullshit.
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,570 Standard Supporter
    Inslee instituted the one size fits all plan. Banning outdoor fishing in Eastern Washington wasn't science. Schools closed today isn't science.
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,416 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    Looks like Dori Monson is not the LeBron James of radio. Suspended

    this is horrible
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,416 Founders Club
    They suspend him from doing pre and post game but not from doing his M-F show. So they are trying to have it both ways.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898

    HHusky said:

    Looks like Dori Monson is not the LeBron James of radio. Suspended

    this is horrible
    Way too PC for my taste. Pretty much a nothing burger of a comment.