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Remember when Australia was praised as the model for stopping the Rona?

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  • NorthwestFreshNorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    LOL at Trump treating it as an “electoral issue” as the Democrats were mocking him for being racist and defying federal guidelines solely to shtick it to Trump. deBlasio and Cuomo needlessly killed thousands and infected many more solely because Trump was being a meanie racist and calling it the “China Flu.” Get the fuck outta here with that weakass 20/20 hindsight. Trump hasn’t been perfect but he sure as hell isn’t the main person to blame for New York and San Francisco.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,485 Standard Supporter

    LOL at Trump treating it as an “electoral issue” as the Democrats were mocking him for being racist and defying federal guidelines solely to shtick it to Trump. deBlasio and Cuomo needlessly killed thousands and infected many more solely because Trump was being a meanie racist and calling it the “China Flu.” Get the fuck outta here with that weakass 20/20 hindsight. Trump hasn’t been perfect but he sure as hell isn’t the main person to blame for New York and San Francisco.

    Look at it however you like, but it's not hindsight on my part. I was saying that a month before you signed up here.
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072

    RoadTrip said:

    Sensible mitigation - masks, distancing, washing hands, whatever
    Protect vulnerable populations
    Clear governmental communication - don't inject needless hysteria
    Avoid punitive measures - invites resistance & partisan energy
    Strengthen health care capacity
    Develop pharmacological prophylaxis - but don't rely
    Study history - Sadly, epidemics run a certain course that weº only have a certain degree of control over

    Or just let the media and local governments put everyone in hysterics, throw millions out of work, cause uncounted deaths from other causes, lie about stats in order to justify the actions taken, move the goal posts several times, give inconsistent messages, give up to the minute death counts, silence those with a different approach or thoughts. Toss in a race war and allow nightly riots because it's protected speech and saw things like racism is bigger public health threat than the virus. And cheer for more death and economic misery in order to move a political ideology.

    That's worked well.
    Top that off with a leader who is in way over his head and scared to take responsibility for anything that might damage his brand name.
    I honestly don't disagree.
    How is Trump in over his head? What does he need to take responsibility for that he's afraid will damage his brand name?
    I've given my opinion on that many tims. Trump treated it as an electoral politics issue in March, thereby feeding the oppositional energy (which would have existed anyway to a degree) and taking attention anyway from nuts & bolts governance and response efforts.
    Is this when the NYC Health Director and deBlasio were encouraging people to get out and about? Why yes, it was. Totally Trump’s fault!

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/01/new-york-mayor-bill-de-blasios-repeated-comments-downplaying-coronavirus/?outputType=amp

    New York Mayor Bill de Blasio’s repeated comments downplaying the coronavirus
    In my view, it was a failure of leadership at all level. Trump on down.
    But you can’t cite any specifics.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,485 Standard Supporter
    doogie said:

    RoadTrip said:

    Sensible mitigation - masks, distancing, washing hands, whatever
    Protect vulnerable populations
    Clear governmental communication - don't inject needless hysteria
    Avoid punitive measures - invites resistance & partisan energy
    Strengthen health care capacity
    Develop pharmacological prophylaxis - but don't rely
    Study history - Sadly, epidemics run a certain course that weº only have a certain degree of control over

    Or just let the media and local governments put everyone in hysterics, throw millions out of work, cause uncounted deaths from other causes, lie about stats in order to justify the actions taken, move the goal posts several times, give inconsistent messages, give up to the minute death counts, silence those with a different approach or thoughts. Toss in a race war and allow nightly riots because it's protected speech and saw things like racism is bigger public health threat than the virus. And cheer for more death and economic misery in order to move a political ideology.

    That's worked well.
    Top that off with a leader who is in way over his head and scared to take responsibility for anything that might damage his brand name.
    I honestly don't disagree.
    How is Trump in over his head? What does he need to take responsibility for that he's afraid will damage his brand name?
    I've given my opinion on that many tims. Trump treated it as an electoral politics issue in March, thereby feeding the oppositional energy (which would have existed anyway to a degree) and taking attention anyway from nuts & bolts governance and response efforts.
    Is this when the NYC Health Director and deBlasio were encouraging people to get out and about? Why yes, it was. Totally Trump’s fault!

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/01/new-york-mayor-bill-de-blasios-repeated-comments-downplaying-coronavirus/?outputType=amp

    New York Mayor Bill de Blasio’s repeated comments downplaying the coronavirus
    In my view, it was a failure of leadership at all level. Trump on down.
    But you can’t cite any specifics.
    Don't feel like rehashing again, here's one of the original threads
    https://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/69805/wsj-agrees-with-me/p1
  • RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,645 Founders Club

    RoadTrip said:

    Sensible mitigation - masks, distancing, washing hands, whatever
    Protect vulnerable populations
    Clear governmental communication - don't inject needless hysteria
    Avoid punitive measures - invites resistance & partisan energy
    Strengthen health care capacity
    Develop pharmacological prophylaxis - but don't rely
    Study history - Sadly, epidemics run a certain course that weº only have a certain degree of control over

    Or just let the media and local governments put everyone in hysterics, throw millions out of work, cause uncounted deaths from other causes, lie about stats in order to justify the actions taken, move the goal posts several times, give inconsistent messages, give up to the minute death counts, silence those with a different approach or thoughts. Toss in a race war and allow nightly riots because it's protected speech and saw things like racism is bigger public health threat than the virus. And cheer for more death and economic misery in order to move a political ideology.

    That's worked well.
    Top that off with a leader who is in way over his head and scared to take responsibility for anything that might damage his brand name.
    I honestly don't disagree.
    How is Trump in over his head? What does he need to take responsibility for that he's afraid will damage his brand name?
    I've given my opinion on that many tims. Trump treated it as an electoral politics issue in March, thereby feeding the oppositional energy (which would have existed anyway to a degree) and taking attention anyway from nuts & bolts governance and response efforts.
    Fair enough but this whole COVID-19 issue is bullshit and is 100% political. Trump is up against the entire world and IMO he's allowed to play the game like every other politician. Why are Democrats and Rhinos always given a pass? We both know the answer to that question and until both sides are allowed to play by the same rules, there's going to be civil unrest in this country and it's going to get worse if that's possible.
  • RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,645 Founders Club

    RoadTrip said:

    Sensible mitigation - masks, distancing, washing hands, whatever
    Protect vulnerable populations
    Clear governmental communication - don't inject needless hysteria
    Avoid punitive measures - invites resistance & partisan energy
    Strengthen health care capacity
    Develop pharmacological prophylaxis - but don't rely
    Study history - Sadly, epidemics run a certain course that weº only have a certain degree of control over

    Or just let the media and local governments put everyone in hysterics, throw millions out of work, cause uncounted deaths from other causes, lie about stats in order to justify the actions taken, move the goal posts several times, give inconsistent messages, give up to the minute death counts, silence those with a different approach or thoughts. Toss in a race war and allow nightly riots because it's protected speech and saw things like racism is bigger public health threat than the virus. And cheer for more death and economic misery in order to move a political ideology.

    That's worked well.
    Top that off with a leader who is in way over his head and scared to take responsibility for anything that might damage his brand name.
    I honestly don't disagree.
    How is Trump in over his head? What does he need to take responsibility for that he's afraid will damage his brand name?
    I've given my opinion on that many tims. Trump treated it as an electoral politics issue in March, thereby feeding the oppositional energy (which would have existed anyway to a degree) and taking attention anyway from nuts & bolts governance and response efforts.
    Is this when the NYC Health Director and deBlasio were encouraging people to get out and about? Why yes, it was. Totally Trump’s fault!

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/01/new-york-mayor-bill-de-blasios-repeated-comments-downplaying-coronavirus/?outputType=amp

    New York Mayor Bill de Blasio’s repeated comments downplaying the coronavirus
    In my view, it was a failure of leadership at all level. Trump on down.
    So Trump is responsible for not doing what countless administrations failed to do before him while 100% of his time was consumed fighting off treasonous accusations of being in bed with the Russians to steal an election? If he failed at all, it was in trusting anyone who had ever worked 1 day in the government to guide him.
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072

    doogie said:

    RoadTrip said:

    Sensible mitigation - masks, distancing, washing hands, whatever
    Protect vulnerable populations
    Clear governmental communication - don't inject needless hysteria
    Avoid punitive measures - invites resistance & partisan energy
    Strengthen health care capacity
    Develop pharmacological prophylaxis - but don't rely
    Study history - Sadly, epidemics run a certain course that weº only have a certain degree of control over

    Or just let the media and local governments put everyone in hysterics, throw millions out of work, cause uncounted deaths from other causes, lie about stats in order to justify the actions taken, move the goal posts several times, give inconsistent messages, give up to the minute death counts, silence those with a different approach or thoughts. Toss in a race war and allow nightly riots because it's protected speech and saw things like racism is bigger public health threat than the virus. And cheer for more death and economic misery in order to move a political ideology.

    That's worked well.
    Top that off with a leader who is in way over his head and scared to take responsibility for anything that might damage his brand name.
    I honestly don't disagree.
    How is Trump in over his head? What does he need to take responsibility for that he's afraid will damage his brand name?
    I've given my opinion on that many tims. Trump treated it as an electoral politics issue in March, thereby feeding the oppositional energy (which would have existed anyway to a degree) and taking attention anyway from nuts & bolts governance and response efforts.
    Is this when the NYC Health Director and deBlasio were encouraging people to get out and about? Why yes, it was. Totally Trump’s fault!

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/01/new-york-mayor-bill-de-blasios-repeated-comments-downplaying-coronavirus/?outputType=amp

    New York Mayor Bill de Blasio’s repeated comments downplaying the coronavirus
    In my view, it was a failure of leadership at all level. Trump on down.
    But you can’t cite any specifics.
    Don't feel like rehashing again, here's one of the original threads
    https://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/69805/wsj-agrees-with-me/p1
    I don’t blame you. You’ve been proven wrong
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    2.3-3.5 Million, mostly children and young healthy people DEAD in 30-60 days.


    now we talkin Cases. And white upper-middle class terrorists chanting Black Lives, in Gucci stores stealing free shit, Matter!

    No, sorry, you simply are wrong
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,485 Standard Supporter
    doogie said:

    2.3-3.5 Million, mostly children and young healthy people DEAD in 30-60 days.


    now we talkin Cases. And white upper-middle class terrorists chanting Black Lives, in Gucci stores stealing free shit, Matter!

    No, sorry, you simply are wrong

    Did you believe that?
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
  • NorthwestFreshNorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972

    doogie said:

    2.3-3.5 Million, mostly children and young healthy people DEAD in 30-60 days.


    now we talkin Cases. And white upper-middle class terrorists chanting Black Lives, in Gucci stores stealing free shit, Matter!

    No, sorry, you simply are wrong

    Did you believe that?
    Many people did believe it, which is the point. Now you’ve got spazzes like @HHusky flailing away every day trying to remember where he moved the goalposts to last night, and sadly, it seems many elected leaders are setting policy based on the same mentality.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,485 Standard Supporter

    doogie said:

    2.3-3.5 Million, mostly children and young healthy people DEAD in 30-60 days.


    now we talkin Cases. And white upper-middle class terrorists chanting Black Lives, in Gucci stores stealing free shit, Matter!

    No, sorry, you simply are wrong

    Did you believe that?
    Many people did believe it, which is the point. Now you’ve got spazzes like @HHusky flailing away every day trying to remember where he moved the goalposts to last night, and sadly, it seems many elected leaders are setting policy based on the same mentality.
    If you want to use 2.2MM as a rhetorical cudgel to claim Trump saved 2 million and change, have at it, that's fair game as the rules were laid out in mid-March. But I knew that number was horseshit and I hope any serious person knew that too. Race nearly canceled me for my Trump takes in March.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 104,512 Founders Club
    Quite honestly they did not age well either
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,138 Standard Supporter
    Someones tender parts have been injured by the MEAN ORANGE MAN!
  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 25,500 Swaye's Wigwam

    doogie said:

    2.3-3.5 Million, mostly children and young healthy people DEAD in 30-60 days.


    now we talkin Cases. And white upper-middle class terrorists chanting Black Lives, in Gucci stores stealing free shit, Matter!

    No, sorry, you simply are wrong

    Did you believe that?
    Many people did believe it, which is the point. Now you’ve got spazzes like @HHusky flailing away every day trying to remember where he moved the goalposts to last night, and sadly, it seems many elected leaders are setting policy based on the same mentality.
    If you want to use 2.2MM as a rhetorical cudgel to claim Trump saved 2 million and change, have at it, that's fair game as the rules were laid out in mid-March. But I knew that number was horseshit and I hope any serious person knew that too. Race nearly canceled me for my Trump takes in March.
    What should Trump have done?

    You're dying on a hill that isnt even a hill
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,485 Standard Supporter

    doogie said:

    2.3-3.5 Million, mostly children and young healthy people DEAD in 30-60 days.


    now we talkin Cases. And white upper-middle class terrorists chanting Black Lives, in Gucci stores stealing free shit, Matter!

    No, sorry, you simply are wrong

    Did you believe that?
    Many people did believe it, which is the point. Now you’ve got spazzes like @HHusky flailing away every day trying to remember where he moved the goalposts to last night, and sadly, it seems many elected leaders are setting policy based on the same mentality.
    If you want to use 2.2MM as a rhetorical cudgel to claim Trump saved 2 million and change, have at it, that's fair game as the rules were laid out in mid-March. But I knew that number was horseshit and I hope any serious person knew that too. Race nearly canceled me for my Trump takes in March.
    What should Trump have done?

    You're dying on a hill that isnt even a hill
    I'm dying on no hill. I have an opinion, and that opinion means absolutely nothing.

    Here is my actual hindsight 20/20 take: Trump goes hard on a national lockdown the last week of February. The #Resist movement looses their shit, pledges not to be cowed by authoritarians dictates from Washington, and we're wide ass open through the worst of it. TDS could have worked for the people.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,485 Standard Supporter
    Another take I've put out there a half dozen times that My Trump Guysm™ might like better, regarding Trump culpability for the Vid being a thing. If somehow Trump and Trump alone got a vision of the future in late December that the Vid was coming, the only possible (and even then unlikely) way to stop it showing up here would have been a hard national quarantine. No international air or ground admittance to foreigners. US nationals abroad could only return into a 14-day quarantine, etc. Even if we had done that, it probably still squirts through. No one would have gone for that Jan. 1, as demonstrated by the #resistance to the modest international travel restrictions that actually did go in place late January.

    Therefore, in my mind, he's off the hook for that. Shit just happens sometimes, and that's really hard to accept for most of us.
  • NorthwestFreshNorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972

    doogie said:

    2.3-3.5 Million, mostly children and young healthy people DEAD in 30-60 days.


    now we talkin Cases. And white upper-middle class terrorists chanting Black Lives, in Gucci stores stealing free shit, Matter!

    No, sorry, you simply are wrong

    Did you believe that?
    Many people did believe it, which is the point. Now you’ve got spazzes like @HHusky flailing away every day trying to remember where he moved the goalposts to last night, and sadly, it seems many elected leaders are setting policy based on the same mentality.
    If you want to use 2.2MM as a rhetorical cudgel to claim Trump saved 2 million and change, have at it, that's fair game as the rules were laid out in mid-March. But I knew that number was horseshit and I hope any serious person knew that too. Race nearly canceled me for my Trump takes in March.
    I never said that other than to mock those that believed it. It’s why everything had to close. I’ve been calling out the bullshit since Day One here.
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