Zoom Towns

creepycoug

DerekJohnson said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Tequilla said:

Doog_de_Jour said:

doogie said:

My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.

He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.

I apologize I don’t have the KOMO4 link at the ready, but I read the Facebooks and Microsofts of the world are starting to be open to letting their employees LEAVE! mega-expensive Silicon Valley and Seattle to work/live wherever they want. It makes total sense. (Though I’m curious if they’ll try to fuck them over salary wise by saying “oh, you don’t have a high cost of living anymore.”)

They absolutely will

If companies were smart they'd completely embrace this as a means of driving down labor costs as not only can they re-index compensation for people that live elsewhere, but as the costs in major cities drop, it will result in a lower indexing there as well.

Teq right, as labor demands lower prices salaries will reflect that. Actually a good thing long term for the US competitively but probably not for big US cities.

The Renaissance of US small towns will accelerate from having a microbrewery and coffee roaster to having tech workers and distance workers etc.

We are going to see urban decay and flight the same as before but at an accelerated pace. Sure doesn't seem like we learned anything politically from history as dem controlled cities are enacting the same self defeating policies.

This *might be the cure for small and medium sized cities in the rust belt if they position themselves correctly.

your last sentence is so intriguing

@UW_Doog_Bot always has the good takes. Easily one of our? best poasters easily and squarely in my top 5 of who I take most seriously around here.

At first, I disliked this working from home chit because I like the energy of the city. But I've come to see the light. I'm flying back east with the kiddos to get them settled in to their leased houses for the school year (the creep household is doing its part to keep the economy moving forward). I'll be in Rhode Island with one helping her get settled into her first apartment, an effort for which I would have typically allotted a week, tops, and then raced home to work moar.

But it occured to me: WGAF how long I'm back there? It doesn't fucking matter a bit. So I haven't bought my return flight because I'll hang out there with her as long as I want to. So, @RaceBannon 's impassioned speech from the mount notwithstanding, I've flipped and now absolutely love the freedom of being unteathered from the office. I hope it never comes back.

creepycoug

Doog_de_Jour said:

DerekJohnson said:

Swaye said:

None of this helps me as a male hooker.

Have you explored being a cam girl?

It’s not as lucrative as you think.

Boom! You on fire girl.

DerekJohnson

creepycoug said:

Doog_de_Jour said:

DerekJohnson said:

Swaye said:

None of this helps me as a male hooker.

Have you explored being a cam girl?

It’s not as lucrative as you think.

Boom! You on fire girl.

she's really bringing it lately

creepycoug

Baseman said:

doogie said:

My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.

He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.

I’m hearing more businesses are allowing employees to keep bottles in their office desk drawers. “It’s no big deal,” one with knowledge said “everybody does it.”

And oldie but goodie. I so remember that one. JFC Kim.

creepycoug

doogie said:

My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.

He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.

This could be a boon for places like Montana and Idaho. A lot of people, yours truly included, love it there (assuming you can flee for the winter), but even with Boise, there isn't enough commerce in that region. You move to Montana and whatever gig you had going folds for whatever reason then you are fucked unless you want to open the 10,000th fly fishing store. We? have manufacturing facilities over there and some regional HQ shit. All of the people in the office jobs have always angled for a spot in Seattle even though they'd be upside down housing-wise. It was because of the economic risk of losing their job with us and being incapable of replacing it.

That won't matter in a world where people are all over the place.

DerekJohnson

creepycoug said:

doogie said:

My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.

He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.

This could be a boon for places like Montana and Idaho. A lot of people, yours truly included, love it there (assuming you can flee for the winter), but even with Boise, there isn't enough commerce in that region. You move to Montana and whatever gig you had going folds for whatever reason then you are fucked unless you want to open the 10,000th fly fishing store. We? have manufacturing facilities over there and some regional HQ shit. All of the people in the office jobs have always angled for a spot in Seattle even though they'd be upside down housing-wise. It was because of the economic risk of losing their job with us and being incapable of replacing it.

That won't matter in a world where people are all over the place.

Once upon a time, Los Angeles was seen as paradise on earth. Today's boon can be tomorrow's plague.

1to392831weretaken

I think this whole take-it-to-the-Tug circle jerk ignores that most of these jobs don't need to happen remotely OR in person. The jobs will eventually go away full-stop. I'm telling my kids to skip college and become plumbers. Algorithms and robots aren't going to be fixing Jack Buttcrack's shoddy work from the 80s anytime soon.

RaceBannon

Learn a trade and get paid. Home remodeling picked up during the close down

creepycoug

RaceBannon said:

Learn a trade and get paid. Home remodeling picked up during the close down

On behalf of all of us who can barely hang a picture or tighten a bolt, FUCK YOU!

Actually, I replaced my own garbage disposal (once), so I'm good if need be.

UW_Doog_Bot

1to392831weretaken said:

I think this whole take-it-to-the-Tug circle jerk ignores that most of these jobs don't need to happen remotely OR in person. The jobs will eventually go away full-stop. I'm telling my kids to skip college and become plumbers. Algorithms and robots aren't going to be fixing Jack Buttcrack's shoddy work from the 80s anytime soon.

Eh, I'd agree that 10% or so of administrative jobs are probably gone, just gone since you can't fake working from home the way you can fake working in an office. Sorry Tracy in HR.

As for the constant refrains of "automation will put everyone out of work" the same thing was said about the steam engine, large scale machine farm equipment, and PC's. It just frees people from monotonous work and moves labor up the capital chain.

You no longer will be able to get a degree in astronomy and then get a job in payroll sure, and there will probably be a hollowing out of tech, but that will probably be from sectors that were already outsourced to places like India anyway.

The exponential growth other sectors will receive though will be more than off setting. A small business will just buy a program subscription for $50 a year to maximize their accounting instead of hiring an accountant. A small manufacturer will maximize it's supply chain with 1 person part time instead of needing a department. A department like regulatory compliance in a large business will be outsourced to an AI platform. THESE ARE GOOD THINGS.

Anyone beating the automation drum and saying "they'll take are jerbssss" is missing some key concepts in economics.

ATBS getting a job in a trade and becoming highly skilled will pay well. That's never not been the case.