Zoom Towns
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I really hope this becomes more of a viable option for people. There are many of us that don’t need to be in the office the majority of the time. Why should my company care if I have my laptop at the beach for perspective building or am at my house?
That’s not to say people don’t still need to come in periodically. Some meetings and work can only be done in person. -
In W Bellevue/Eastside the final straw will be kids not going back to schools. Nearly all the private schools announced today no in-person learning.
Expect inventory levels to rise significantly over the next few weeks. -
Inventory of booze in people's liquor cabinets?pawz said:In W Bellevue/Eastside the final straw will be kids not going back to schools. Nearly all the private schools announced today no in-person learning.
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My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.
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I apologize I don’t have the KOMO4 link at the ready, but I read the Facebooks and Microsofts of the world are starting to be open to letting their employees LEAVE! mega-expensive Silicon Valley and Seattle to work/live wherever they want. It makes total sense. (Though I’m curious if they’ll try to fuck them over salary wise by saying “oh, you don’t have a high cost of living anymore.”)doogie said:My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm. -
https://msn.com/en-us/news/us/40-million-americans-are-at-risk-of-eviction-without-a-stimulus-bill/ar-BB17GEPC?ocid=msedgntp
Zoom this. I think its great that the 1% can now work from their oceanfront homes and not have to commute from their fabulously rich in town neighborhood. Might want to stock up on guns and ammo in case unwelcome guests show up
The thousands of small businesses and the millions of people already out may not find comfort in this
Sorry for being the man of the people but I am. We have the largest crisis in our history waiting for us when we? wake the fuck up from this dream -
Don’t disagree with you there Race. It won’t help most people.RaceBannon said:https://msn.com/en-us/news/us/40-million-americans-are-at-risk-of-eviction-without-a-stimulus-bill/ar-BB17GEPC?ocid=msedgntp
Zoom this. I think its great that the 1% can now work from their oceanfront homes and not have to commute from their fabulously rich in town neighborhood. Might want to stock up on guns and ammo in case unwelcome guests show up
The thousands of small businesses and the millions of people already out may not find comfort in this
Sorry for being the man of the people but I am. We have the largest crisis in our history waiting for us when we? wake the fuck up from this dream
However, anything we can do to spread people and businesses out is a good thing. -
YEP. This is absolutely what's happening. It's my day-to-day existence.doogie said:My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.
Not sure how long the pent-up demand in Bellevue (to some degree Seattle) will last, but those than can are OUT.
It's beyond important to be priced aggressively right now. Now is not the time to be greedy. -
They absolutely willDoog_de_Jour said:
I apologize I don’t have the KOMO4 link at the ready, but I read the Facebooks and Microsofts of the world are starting to be open to letting their employees LEAVE! mega-expensive Silicon Valley and Seattle to work/live wherever they want. It makes total sense. (Though I’m curious if they’ll try to fuck them over salary wise by saying “oh, you don’t have a high cost of living anymore.”)doogie said:My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.
If companies were smart they'd completely embrace this as a means of driving down labor costs as not only can they re-index compensation for people that live elsewhere, but as the costs in major cities drop, it will result in a lower indexing there as well. -
Honestly, it's so much bigger than this from my perspectiveDoog_de_Jour said:
Don’t disagree with you there Race. It won’t help most people.RaceBannon said:https://msn.com/en-us/news/us/40-million-americans-are-at-risk-of-eviction-without-a-stimulus-bill/ar-BB17GEPC?ocid=msedgntp
Zoom this. I think its great that the 1% can now work from their oceanfront homes and not have to commute from their fabulously rich in town neighborhood. Might want to stock up on guns and ammo in case unwelcome guests show up
The thousands of small businesses and the millions of people already out may not find comfort in this
Sorry for being the man of the people but I am. We have the largest crisis in our history waiting for us when we? wake the fuck up from this dream
However, anything we can do to spread people and businesses out is a good thing.
Going forward, what will actually be jobs that require people to be present? Food/Hospitality/Recreation? Essential services? Then what?
We've found that we can largely exist having products shipped to our homes. Companies get to lessen their footprint. Etc Etc Etc
I'm fascinated to see how companies reinvent themselves. -
Teq right, as labor demands lower prices salaries will reflect that. Actually a good thing long term for the US competitively but probably not for big US cities.Tequilla said:
They absolutely willDoog_de_Jour said:
I apologize I don’t have the KOMO4 link at the ready, but I read the Facebooks and Microsofts of the world are starting to be open to letting their employees LEAVE! mega-expensive Silicon Valley and Seattle to work/live wherever they want. It makes total sense. (Though I’m curious if they’ll try to fuck them over salary wise by saying “oh, you don’t have a high cost of living anymore.”)doogie said:My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.
If companies were smart they'd completely embrace this as a means of driving down labor costs as not only can they re-index compensation for people that live elsewhere, but as the costs in major cities drop, it will result in a lower indexing there as well.
The Renaissance of US small towns will accelerate from having a microbrewery and coffee roaster to having tech workers and distance workers etc.
We are going to see urban decay and flight the same as before but at an accelerated pace. Sure doesn't seem like we learned anything politically from history as dem controlled cities are enacting the same self defeating policies.
This *might be the cure for small and medium sized cities in the rust belt if they position themselves correctly. -
Bloomberg is spot on as it relates to our neighborhood. Most homes here are 2nd or vacation homes and folks visiting for the summer have no intention of leaving this year.
If you are a nanny or a retired teacher looking to do some tutoring you are a hot commodity right now. Also, our small town is looking forward to their financial shot in the arm this is going to provide.
Private schools are swamped with applications. -
I’m hearing more businesses are allowing employees to keep bottles in their office desk drawers. “It’s no big deal,” one with knowledge said “everybody does it.”doogie said:My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm. -
My office has a fridge full of beer in the conference room.Baseman said:
I’m hearing more businesses are allowing employees to keep bottles in their office desk drawers. “It’s no big deal,” one with knowledge said “everybody does it.”doogie said:My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.
‘Cause we’re all about transparency. -
None of this helps me as a male hooker.
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your last sentence is so intriguingUW_Doog_Bot said:
Teq right, as labor demands lower prices salaries will reflect that. Actually a good thing long term for the US competitively but probably not for big US cities.Tequilla said:
They absolutely willDoog_de_Jour said:
I apologize I don’t have the KOMO4 link at the ready, but I read the Facebooks and Microsofts of the world are starting to be open to letting their employees LEAVE! mega-expensive Silicon Valley and Seattle to work/live wherever they want. It makes total sense. (Though I’m curious if they’ll try to fuck them over salary wise by saying “oh, you don’t have a high cost of living anymore.”)doogie said:My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.
If companies were smart they'd completely embrace this as a means of driving down labor costs as not only can they re-index compensation for people that live elsewhere, but as the costs in major cities drop, it will result in a lower indexing there as well.
The Renaissance of US small towns will accelerate from having a microbrewery and coffee roaster to having tech workers and distance workers etc.
We are going to see urban decay and flight the same as before but at an accelerated pace. Sure doesn't seem like we learned anything politically from history as dem controlled cities are enacting the same self defeating policies.
This *might be the cure for small and medium sized cities in the rust belt if they position themselves correctly. -
Have you explored being a cam girl?Swaye said:None of this helps me as a male hooker.
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It’s not as lucrative as you think.DerekJohnson said:
Have you explored being a cam girl?Swaye said:None of this helps me as a male hooker.
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Doog_de_Jour said:
It’s not as lucrative as you think.DerekJohnson said:
Have you explored being a cam girl?Swaye said:None of this helps me as a male hooker.
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Low cost of living and real estate. Existing and under utilized airports and infrastructure for those couple of in person meetings in LA or NY.DerekJohnson said:
your last sentence is so intriguingUW_Doog_Bot said:
Teq right, as labor demands lower prices salaries will reflect that. Actually a good thing long term for the US competitively but probably not for big US cities.Tequilla said:
They absolutely willDoog_de_Jour said:
I apologize I don’t have the KOMO4 link at the ready, but I read the Facebooks and Microsofts of the world are starting to be open to letting their employees LEAVE! mega-expensive Silicon Valley and Seattle to work/live wherever they want. It makes total sense. (Though I’m curious if they’ll try to fuck them over salary wise by saying “oh, you don’t have a high cost of living anymore.”)doogie said:My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.
If companies were smart they'd completely embrace this as a means of driving down labor costs as not only can they re-index compensation for people that live elsewhere, but as the costs in major cities drop, it will result in a lower indexing there as well.
The Renaissance of US small towns will accelerate from having a microbrewery and coffee roaster to having tech workers and distance workers etc.
We are going to see urban decay and flight the same as before but at an accelerated pace. Sure doesn't seem like we learned anything politically from history as dem controlled cities are enacting the same self defeating policies.
This *might be the cure for small and medium sized cities in the rust belt if they position themselves correctly.
The trouble is going to be the Dem legacy of fucking that all up with Government. -
@UW_Doog_Bot always has the good takes. Easily one of our? best poasters easily and squarely in my top 5 of who I take most seriously around here.DerekJohnson said:
your last sentence is so intriguingUW_Doog_Bot said:
Teq right, as labor demands lower prices salaries will reflect that. Actually a good thing long term for the US competitively but probably not for big US cities.Tequilla said:
They absolutely willDoog_de_Jour said:
I apologize I don’t have the KOMO4 link at the ready, but I read the Facebooks and Microsofts of the world are starting to be open to letting their employees LEAVE! mega-expensive Silicon Valley and Seattle to work/live wherever they want. It makes total sense. (Though I’m curious if they’ll try to fuck them over salary wise by saying “oh, you don’t have a high cost of living anymore.”)doogie said:My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.
If companies were smart they'd completely embrace this as a means of driving down labor costs as not only can they re-index compensation for people that live elsewhere, but as the costs in major cities drop, it will result in a lower indexing there as well.
The Renaissance of US small towns will accelerate from having a microbrewery and coffee roaster to having tech workers and distance workers etc.
We are going to see urban decay and flight the same as before but at an accelerated pace. Sure doesn't seem like we learned anything politically from history as dem controlled cities are enacting the same self defeating policies.
This *might be the cure for small and medium sized cities in the rust belt if they position themselves correctly.
At first, I disliked this working from home chit because I like the energy of the city. But I've come to see the light. I'm flying back east with the kiddos to get them settled in to their leased houses for the school year (the creep household is doing its part to keep the economy moving forward). I'll be in Rhode Island with one helping her get settled into her first apartment, an effort for which I would have typically allotted a week, tops, and then raced home to work moar.
But it occured to me: WGAF how long I'm back there? It doesn't fucking matter a bit. So I haven't bought my return flight because I'll hang out there with her as long as I want to. So, @RaceBannon 's impassioned speech from the mount notwithstanding, I've flipped and now absolutely love the freedom of being unteathered from the office. I hope it never comes back. -
Boom! You on fire girl.Doog_de_Jour said:
It’s not as lucrative as you think.DerekJohnson said:
Have you explored being a cam girl?Swaye said:None of this helps me as a male hooker.
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she's really bringing it latelycreepycoug said:
Boom! You on fire girl.Doog_de_Jour said:
It’s not as lucrative as you think.DerekJohnson said:
Have you explored being a cam girl?Swaye said:None of this helps me as a male hooker.
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And oldie but goodie. I so remember that one. JFC Kim.Baseman said:
I’m hearing more businesses are allowing employees to keep bottles in their office desk drawers. “It’s no big deal,” one with knowledge said “everybody does it.”doogie said:My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm. -
This could be a boon for places like Montana and Idaho. A lot of people, yours truly included, love it there (assuming you can flee for the winter), but even with Boise, there isn't enough commerce in that region. You move to Montana and whatever gig you had going folds for whatever reason then you are fucked unless you want to open the 10,000th fly fishing store. We? have manufacturing facilities over there and some regional HQ shit. All of the people in the office jobs have always angled for a spot in Seattle even though they'd be upside down housing-wise. It was because of the economic risk of losing their job with us and being incapable of replacing it.doogie said:My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.
That won't matter in a world where people are all over the place. -
Once upon a time, Los Angeles was seen as paradise on earth. Today's boon can be tomorrow's plague.creepycoug said:
This could be a boon for places like Montana and Idaho. A lot of people, yours truly included, love it there (assuming you can flee for the winter), but even with Boise, there isn't enough commerce in that region. You move to Montana and whatever gig you had going folds for whatever reason then you are fucked unless you want to open the 10,000th fly fishing store. We? have manufacturing facilities over there and some regional HQ shit. All of the people in the office jobs have always angled for a spot in Seattle even though they'd be upside down housing-wise. It was because of the economic risk of losing their job with us and being incapable of replacing it.doogie said:My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.
That won't matter in a world where people are all over the place. -
I think this whole take-it-to-the-Tug circle jerk ignores that most of these jobs don't need to happen remotely OR in person. The jobs will eventually go away full-stop. I'm telling my kids to skip college and become plumbers. Algorithms and robots aren't going to be fixing Jack Buttcrack's shoddy work from the 80s anytime soon.
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Learn a trade and get paid. Home remodeling picked up during the close down
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On behalf of all of us who can barely hang a picture or tighten a bolt, FUCK YOU!RaceBannon said:Learn a trade and get paid. Home remodeling picked up during the close down
Actually, I replaced my own garbage disposal (once), so I'm good if need be. -
Eh, I'd agree that 10% or so of administrative jobs are probably gone, just gone since you can't fake working from home the way you can fake working in an office. Sorry Tracy in HR.1to392831weretaken said:I think this whole take-it-to-the-Tug circle jerk ignores that most of these jobs don't need to happen remotely OR in person. The jobs will eventually go away full-stop. I'm telling my kids to skip college and become plumbers. Algorithms and robots aren't going to be fixing Jack Buttcrack's shoddy work from the 80s anytime soon.
As for the constant refrains of "automation will put everyone out of work" the same thing was said about the steam engine, large scale machine farm equipment, and PC's. It just frees people from monotonous work and moves labor up the capital chain.
You no longer will be able to get a degree in astronomy and then get a job in payroll sure, and there will probably be a hollowing out of tech, but that will probably be from sectors that were already outsourced to places like India anyway.
The exponential growth other sectors will receive though will be more than off setting. A small business will just buy a program subscription for $50 a year to maximize their accounting instead of hiring an accountant. A small manufacturer will maximize it's supply chain with 1 person part time instead of needing a department. A department like regulatory compliance in a large business will be outsourced to an AI platform. THESE ARE GOOD THINGS.
Anyone beating the automation drum and saying "they'll take are jerbssss" is missing some key concepts in economics.
ATBS getting a job in a trade and becoming highly skilled will pay well. That's never not been the case.
