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    dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Houhusky said:

    The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.

    The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.

    The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.

    The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.

    This is a very quality post.

    The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
    Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.

    It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
    A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.

    But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.

    They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
    Secessionists aren't Traitors.
    They took up arms against the red white and blue.

    Fucking traitors the lot of them.
    Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.

    Try again.
    The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.

    Traitors.

    hth
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,749
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    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Houhusky said:

    The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.

    The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.

    The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.

    The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.

    This is a very quality post.

    The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
    Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.

    It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
    A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.

    But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.

    They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
    Secessionists aren't Traitors.
    They took up arms against the red white and blue.

    Fucking traitors the lot of them.
    Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.

    Try again.
    The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.

    Traitors.

    hth
    So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.

    Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot.
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    PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,561
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    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Houhusky said:

    The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.

    The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.

    The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.

    The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.

    This is a very quality post.

    The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
    Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.

    It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
    A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.

    But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.

    They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
    Secessionists aren't Traitors.
    They took up arms against the red white and blue.

    Fucking traitors the lot of them.
    Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.

    Try again.
    The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.

    Traitors.

    hth
    So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.

    Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot.
    Yeah...rebels =/= traitors often times. Traitors are usually turncoats after the war has already turned hot


    But whatever. If you want to pick the terms, win the war
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,749
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    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Houhusky said:

    The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.

    The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.

    The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.

    The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.

    This is a very quality post.

    The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
    Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.

    It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
    A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.

    But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.

    They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
    Secessionists aren't Traitors.
    They took up arms against the red white and blue.

    Fucking traitors the lot of them.
    Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.

    Try again.
    The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.

    Traitors.

    hth
    So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.

    Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot.
    Yeah...rebels =/= traitors often times. Traitors are usually turncoats after the war has already turned hot.

    But whatever. If you want to pick the terms, win the war
    I seem to recall a Civil War with exactly two opposing sides: North and South. Modern language appropriators are a big, big problem in our society right now. These are the same folks who say blacks can't be racist, by re-imagining the definition of the word. Same with hate speech, words being a form of violence, etc., etc.

    If you can't, or refuse to call something what it is, then you're in bed with the SJW crowd who want the entire world to revolve around micro-aggressions, trigger warnings, and hurt feelings.

    Sorry, but that's not a road to go down.

    Learn English and use the proper Terms, Millennials.
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    dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Houhusky said:

    The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.

    The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.

    The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.

    The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.

    This is a very quality post.

    The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
    Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.

    It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
    A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.

    But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.

    They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
    Secessionists aren't Traitors.
    They took up arms against the red white and blue.

    Fucking traitors the lot of them.
    Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.

    Try again.
    The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.

    Traitors.

    hth
    So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.

    Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot.
    I'm not British, I'm American.

    hth
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,749
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    There's no greater demonstration of a superficial understanding of history than to call the Southern Confederacy "Traitors."

    Why not just call them "the bad guys?" Kreist.
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    dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Houhusky said:

    The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.

    The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.

    The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.

    The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.

    This is a very quality post.

    The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
    Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.

    It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
    A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.

    But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.

    They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
    Secessionists aren't Traitors.
    They took up arms against the red white and blue.

    Fucking traitors the lot of them.
    Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.

    Try again.
    The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.

    Traitors.

    hth
    So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.

    Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot.
    Yeah...rebels =/= traitors often times. Traitors are usually turncoats after the war has already turned hot.

    But whatever. If you want to pick the terms, win the war
    I seem to recall a Civil War with exactly two opposing sides: North and South. Modern language appropriators are a big, big problem in our society right now. These are the same folks who say blacks can't be racist, by re-imagining the definition of the word. Same with hate speech, words being a form of violence, etc., etc.

    If you can't, or refuse to call something what it is, then you're in bed with the SJW crowd who want the entire world to revolve around micro-aggressions, trigger warnings, and hurt feelings.

    Sorry, but that's not a road to go down.

    Learn English and use the proper Terms, Millennials.
    Not a Millenial.

    Not misusing or reimagining terms.

    Fuck off.
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,749
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    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Houhusky said:

    The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.

    The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.

    The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.

    The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.

    This is a very quality post.

    The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
    Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.

    It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
    A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.

    But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.

    They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
    Secessionists aren't Traitors.
    They took up arms against the red white and blue.

    Fucking traitors the lot of them.
    Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.

    Try again.
    The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.

    Traitors.

    hth
    So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.

    Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot.
    I'm not British, I'm American.

    hth
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Houhusky said:

    The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.

    The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.

    The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.

    The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.

    This is a very quality post.

    The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
    Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.

    It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
    A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.

    But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.

    They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
    Secessionists aren't Traitors.
    They took up arms against the red white and blue.

    Fucking traitors the lot of them.
    Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.

    Try again.
    The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.

    Traitors.

    hth
    So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.

    Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot.
    Yeah...rebels =/= traitors often times. Traitors are usually turncoats after the war has already turned hot.

    But whatever. If you want to pick the terms, win the war
    I seem to recall a Civil War with exactly two opposing sides: North and South. Modern language appropriators are a big, big problem in our society right now. These are the same folks who say blacks can't be racist, by re-imagining the definition of the word. Same with hate speech, words being a form of violence, etc., etc.

    If you can't, or refuse to call something what it is, then you're in bed with the SJW crowd who want the entire world to revolve around micro-aggressions, trigger warnings, and hurt feelings.

    Sorry, but that's not a road to go down.

    Learn English and use the proper Terms, Millennials.
    Not a Millenial.

    Not misusing or reimagining terms.

    Fuck off.
    Obviously an SJW linguist, however. Go Fuck Yourself, ignoramus.
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    PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,561
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    dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Houhusky said:

    The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.

    The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.

    The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.

    The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.

    This is a very quality post.

    The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
    Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.

    It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
    A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.

    But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.

    They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
    Secessionists aren't Traitors.
    They took up arms against the red white and blue.

    Fucking traitors the lot of them.
    Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.

    Try again.
    The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.

    Traitors.

    hth
    So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.

    Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot.
    I'm not British, I'm American.

    hth
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Houhusky said:

    The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.

    The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.

    The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.

    The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.

    This is a very quality post.

    The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
    Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.

    It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
    A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.

    But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.

    They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
    Secessionists aren't Traitors.
    They took up arms against the red white and blue.

    Fucking traitors the lot of them.
    Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.

    Try again.
    The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.

    Traitors.

    hth
    So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.

    Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot.
    Yeah...rebels =/= traitors often times. Traitors are usually turncoats after the war has already turned hot.

    But whatever. If you want to pick the terms, win the war
    I seem to recall a Civil War with exactly two opposing sides: North and South. Modern language appropriators are a big, big problem in our society right now. These are the same folks who say blacks can't be racist, by re-imagining the definition of the word. Same with hate speech, words being a form of violence, etc., etc.

    If you can't, or refuse to call something what it is, then you're in bed with the SJW crowd who want the entire world to revolve around micro-aggressions, trigger warnings, and hurt feelings.

    Sorry, but that's not a road to go down.

    Learn English and use the proper Terms, Millennials.
    Not a Millenial.

    Not misusing or reimagining terms.

    Fuck off.
    Obviously an SJW linguist, however. Go Fuck Yourself, ignoramus.
    Traitor: A person who betrays a friend, country, etc.

    Literally textbook definition, bitch.
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    dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    There's no greater demonstration of a superficial understanding of history than to call the Southern Confederacy "Traitors."

    Why not just call them "the bad guys?" Kreist.

    They were that too.
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,749
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    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Houhusky said:

    The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.

    The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.

    The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.

    The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.

    This is a very quality post.

    The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
    Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.

    It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
    A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.

    But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.

    They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
    Secessionists aren't Traitors.
    They took up arms against the red white and blue.

    Fucking traitors the lot of them.
    Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.

    Try again.
    The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.

    Traitors.

    hth
    So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.

    Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot.
    I'm not British, I'm American.

    hth
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    Houhusky said:

    The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.

    The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.

    The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.

    The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.

    This is a very quality post.

    The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
    Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.

    It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
    A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.

    But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.

    They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
    Secessionists aren't Traitors.
    They took up arms against the red white and blue.

    Fucking traitors the lot of them.
    Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.

    Try again.
    The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.

    Traitors.

    hth
    So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.

    Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot.
    Yeah...rebels =/= traitors often times. Traitors are usually turncoats after the war has already turned hot.

    But whatever. If you want to pick the terms, win the war
    I seem to recall a Civil War with exactly two opposing sides: North and South. Modern language appropriators are a big, big problem in our society right now. These are the same folks who say blacks can't be racist, by re-imagining the definition of the word. Same with hate speech, words being a form of violence, etc., etc.

    If you can't, or refuse to call something what it is, then you're in bed with the SJW crowd who want the entire world to revolve around micro-aggressions, trigger warnings, and hurt feelings.

    Sorry, but that's not a road to go down.

    Learn English and use the proper Terms, Millennials.
    Not a Millenial.

    Not misusing or reimagining terms.

    Fuck off.
    Obviously an SJW linguist, however. Go Fuck Yourself, ignoramus.
    Traitor: A person who betrays a friend, country, etc.

    Literally textbook definition, bitch.
    It's sad you can't appreciate the difference between treason and a secession movement. But don't let me stop you.
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    creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,741
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    There's no greater demonstration of a superficial understanding of history than to call the Southern Confederacy "Traitors."

    Why not just call them "the bad guys?" Kreist.

    Bad guys works too.
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