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Resetting expectations
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I’ve always been aware that recruiting is extremely important. The problem I’ve always had is that in order to get into the top 5-10 in recruiting, other teams need to drop. I could rattle off 10-15 schools that recruit well every single year.whatshouldicareabout said:
Recruiting matters but going off recruiting rankings and "stars" alone is not enough. These are often inexact projections of kids from unstandardized measures of recruiting analysts (not coaches) when they're 16 of how they'll be throughout their college career. Recruiting rankings don't adjust as kids workout and devote their time to studying the game in college, and to hold onto ideas of stars after the first 2 years (that Wellington was a 4* and Dissly was a 2*) in college is asinine.Tequilla said:
Recruiting matters ... far more than you often give it credit for.RoadDawg55 said:
It was TBS obsession mixed with academia. Not everything needs to be a study. Work blended into recruiting which needs no study at all. Get good players and develop them.Woof said:
This site is great for critiques on UW football and life in general, but many of the best critics who have good insight as to the program's failings also the ones who have the absolute dumbest ideas about how to enact positive change.bananasnblondes said:
By far the dumbest narrative that was ever peddled on this site... went hand in hand with classifying black players into different categories (we were recruiting the wrong classification of black person)Kingdome_Urinals said:
OKG is racist! It keeps us from landing good recruits, we need a younger, cooler coach.RoadDawg55 said:
Pete was a killer and if you typed in bets coach’s son CFB on Google, he was right at the top of pretty much every list. The ones that don’t think that didn’t help us in recruiting were delusional.DoogWhisperer said:That’s one of the most concerning things about this entire thing. Even our best recruiters (Jimmy, Malloe, Huff, Junior) are getting their shits pushed in.
A charismatic (and also very fucking strange) internet personality convinced people that it was a problem because he’s smarter and wittier than they are.
Are there reasons to believe that development is important ... absolutely.
If you want an area to hold onto for optimism, the 2021 recruiting class is going to be one of the strangest ones on record because of the lack of Spring evaluations, no summer underwear Olympics, and quite possibly not having a high school season. Projections will mean a ton this year.
There are a handful of schools that really are just missing 2-5 bonafied studs. UW is one of those schools. You replace Browning with one of the top QB’s on the country and maybe a true early round NFL OL and we would have really competed for a natty during those seasons, especially 2016.
I also don’t fully buy into the blue chips theory. Every single 4 star recruit is considered a blue chip. There is a big different in getting the #10-15 WR and getting the 50th ranked 4 star WR like Tinae. -
The kids are at least trying to get the momentum going:
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For the record, I think it's clear that this year's staff turnover has lost us substantial recruiting ability, and I'm very skeptical we gained a commensurate amount talent development skills in return. I am on board that we need to upgrade Bob and Bonerpopper's positions with top-tier recruiters (potentially Harris too). I just didn't buy the argument that we were failing when we were pulling in classes that put our blue chip ratio above 50% for the first time ever. Manu wouldn't have gotten a sniff in any of the last 4 classes.
While we could have improved a bit, I think we were relatively close to the peak of our recruiting ability with the '18-'20 classes. Without an amazing crop of in-state talent like this year, ending up somewhere in the 10-15 range is what should be expected on an annual basis. Never below 20 and occasionally top 10 when the stars align. -
And this is Exhibit A of my major concerns with what I’m seeingUDubHusky23 said:
perfect example was Kyler Manu. But bobby greggers was more than happy to trot out thereTequilla said:
Development absolutely mattersWoof said:
I think evidence suggests there are fewer programs that develop talent than there are programs that recruit.Tequilla said:
Recruiting matters ... far more than you often give it credit for.RoadDawg55 said:
It was TBS obsession mixed with academia. Not everything needs to be a study. Work blended into recruiting which needs no study at all. Get good players and develop them.Woof said:
This site is great for critiques on UW football and life in general, but many of the best critics who have good insight as to the program's failings also the ones who have the absolute dumbest ideas about how to enact positive change.bananasnblondes said:
By far the dumbest narrative that was ever peddled on this site... went hand in hand with classifying black players into different categories (we were recruiting the wrong classification of black person)Kingdome_Urinals said:
OKG is racist! It keeps us from landing good recruits, we need a younger, cooler coach.RoadDawg55 said:
Pete was a killer and if you typed in bets coach’s son CFB on Google, he was right at the top of pretty much every list. The ones that don’t think that didn’t help us in recruiting were delusional.DoogWhisperer said:That’s one of the most concerning things about this entire thing. Even our best recruiters (Jimmy, Malloe, Huff, Junior) are getting their shits pushed in.
A charismatic (and also very fucking strange) internet personality convinced people that it was a problem because he’s smarter and wittier than they are.
Are there reasons to believe that development is important ... absolutely.
If you want an area to hold onto for optimism, the 2021 recruiting class is going to be one of the strangest ones on record because of the lack of Spring evaluations, no summer underwear Olympics, and quite possibly not having a high school season. Projections will mean a ton this year.
The venn diagram of programs that do both successfully is:
Bama
Clemson
tOSU
We all realize it takes a balance of both to win big, but I think you TSIO boys underestimate the difficulty of finding coaches that develop kids.
I’ve long been on record as saying the more you progress in a sport the more development, the mental side, etc becomes important
You also have to have the underlying physical attributes to get in the door though ... all the development, mental, etc is worthless if you physically can’t get the job done -
I’m looking for these guys close literally everyone left on the known list and steal a few away.
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It’s one thing to develop. But the utter hard headedness and refusal to play anyone other than manu is a huge red flag.Tequilla said:
And this is Exhibit A of my major concerns with what I’m seeingUDubHusky23 said:
perfect example was Kyler Manu. But bobby greggers was more than happy to trot out thereTequilla said:
Development absolutely mattersWoof said:
I think evidence suggests there are fewer programs that develop talent than there are programs that recruit.Tequilla said:
Recruiting matters ... far more than you often give it credit for.RoadDawg55 said:
It was TBS obsession mixed with academia. Not everything needs to be a study. Work blended into recruiting which needs no study at all. Get good players and develop them.Woof said:
This site is great for critiques on UW football and life in general, but many of the best critics who have good insight as to the program's failings also the ones who have the absolute dumbest ideas about how to enact positive change.bananasnblondes said:
By far the dumbest narrative that was ever peddled on this site... went hand in hand with classifying black players into different categories (we were recruiting the wrong classification of black person)Kingdome_Urinals said:
OKG is racist! It keeps us from landing good recruits, we need a younger, cooler coach.RoadDawg55 said:
Pete was a killer and if you typed in bets coach’s son CFB on Google, he was right at the top of pretty much every list. The ones that don’t think that didn’t help us in recruiting were delusional.DoogWhisperer said:That’s one of the most concerning things about this entire thing. Even our best recruiters (Jimmy, Malloe, Huff, Junior) are getting their shits pushed in.
A charismatic (and also very fucking strange) internet personality convinced people that it was a problem because he’s smarter and wittier than they are.
Are there reasons to believe that development is important ... absolutely.
If you want an area to hold onto for optimism, the 2021 recruiting class is going to be one of the strangest ones on record because of the lack of Spring evaluations, no summer underwear Olympics, and quite possibly not having a high school season. Projections will mean a ton this year.
The venn diagram of programs that do both successfully is:
Bama
Clemson
tOSU
We all realize it takes a balance of both to win big, but I think you TSIO boys underestimate the difficulty of finding coaches that develop kids.
I’ve long been on record as saying the more you progress in a sport the more development, the mental side, etc becomes important
You also have to have the underlying physical attributes to get in the door though ... all the development, mental, etc is worthless if you physically can’t get the job done -
Looking at that second paragraph. Take out the word internet and I feel like you just described David Koresh.RoadDawg55 said:
It was TBS obsession mixed with academia. Not everything needs to be a study. Work blended into recruiting which needs no study at all. Get good players and develop them.Woof said:
This site is great for critiques on UW football and life in general, but many of the best critics who have good insight as to the program's failings also the ones who have the absolute dumbest ideas about how to enact positive change.bananasnblondes said:
By far the dumbest narrative that was ever peddled on this site... went hand in hand with classifying black players into different categories (we were recruiting the wrong classification of black person)Kingdome_Urinals said:
OKG is racist! It keeps us from landing good recruits, we need a younger, cooler coach.RoadDawg55 said:
Pete was a killer and if you typed in bets coach’s son CFB on Google, he was right at the top of pretty much every list. The ones that don’t think that didn’t help us in recruiting were delusional.DoogWhisperer said:That’s one of the most concerning things about this entire thing. Even our best recruiters (Jimmy, Malloe, Huff, Junior) are getting their shits pushed in.
A charismatic (and also very fucking strange) internet personality convinced people that it was a problem because he’s smarter and wittier than they are. -
Whoa.dirtysouwfdawg said:
Looking at that second paragraph. Take out the word internet and I feel like you just described David Koresh.RoadDawg55 said:
It was TBS obsession mixed with academia. Not everything needs to be a study. Work blended into recruiting which needs no study at all. Get good players and develop them.Woof said:
This site is great for critiques on UW football and life in general, but many of the best critics who have good insight as to the program's failings also the ones who have the absolute dumbest ideas about how to enact positive change.bananasnblondes said:
By far the dumbest narrative that was ever peddled on this site... went hand in hand with classifying black players into different categories (we were recruiting the wrong classification of black person)Kingdome_Urinals said:
OKG is racist! It keeps us from landing good recruits, we need a younger, cooler coach.RoadDawg55 said:
Pete was a killer and if you typed in bets coach’s son CFB on Google, he was right at the top of pretty much every list. The ones that don’t think that didn’t help us in recruiting were delusional.DoogWhisperer said:That’s one of the most concerning things about this entire thing. Even our best recruiters (Jimmy, Malloe, Huff, Junior) are getting their shits pushed in.
A charismatic (and also very fucking strange) internet personality convinced people that it was a problem because he’s smarter and wittier than they are.
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WoodCallMeBigErn said:
Whoa.dirtysouwfdawg said:
Looking at that second paragraph. Take out the word internet and I feel like you just described David Koresh.RoadDawg55 said:
It was TBS obsession mixed with academia. Not everything needs to be a study. Work blended into recruiting which needs no study at all. Get good players and develop them.Woof said:
This site is great for critiques on UW football and life in general, but many of the best critics who have good insight as to the program's failings also the ones who have the absolute dumbest ideas about how to enact positive change.bananasnblondes said:
By far the dumbest narrative that was ever peddled on this site... went hand in hand with classifying black players into different categories (we were recruiting the wrong classification of black person)Kingdome_Urinals said:
OKG is racist! It keeps us from landing good recruits, we need a younger, cooler coach.RoadDawg55 said:
Pete was a killer and if you typed in bets coach’s son CFB on Google, he was right at the top of pretty much every list. The ones that don’t think that didn’t help us in recruiting were delusional.DoogWhisperer said:That’s one of the most concerning things about this entire thing. Even our best recruiters (Jimmy, Malloe, Huff, Junior) are getting their shits pushed in.
A charismatic (and also very fucking strange) internet personality convinced people that it was a problem because he’s smarter and wittier than they are. -
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SmashFireCohen said:
WoodCallMeBigErn said:
Whoa.dirtysouwfdawg said:
Looking at that second paragraph. Take out the word internet and I feel like you just described David Koresh.RoadDawg55 said:
It was TBS obsession mixed with academia. Not everything needs to be a study. Work blended into recruiting which needs no study at all. Get good players and develop them.Woof said:
This site is great for critiques on UW football and life in general, but many of the best critics who have good insight as to the program's failings also the ones who have the absolute dumbest ideas about how to enact positive change.bananasnblondes said:
By far the dumbest narrative that was ever peddled on this site... went hand in hand with classifying black players into different categories (we were recruiting the wrong classification of black person)Kingdome_Urinals said:
OKG is racist! It keeps us from landing good recruits, we need a younger, cooler coach.RoadDawg55 said:
Pete was a killer and if you typed in bets coach’s son CFB on Google, he was right at the top of pretty much every list. The ones that don’t think that didn’t help us in recruiting were delusional.DoogWhisperer said:That’s one of the most concerning things about this entire thing. Even our best recruiters (Jimmy, Malloe, Huff, Junior) are getting their shits pushed in.
A charismatic (and also very fucking strange) internet personality convinced people that it was a problem because he’s smarter and wittier than they are.
