Can’t we just all be friends and understand that wars, especially civil wars are complex and multi faceted events that are difficult to pinpoint to just one singular cause or event, evenmoreso when trying to take into account the specific motivations of the general masses within those battling groups?
How many wars, other than the Trojan war for some fine demigod snatch, can be boiled down to entire armies being motivated by one singular issue?
We can understand that the Civil War is not going to have happened absent the issue of slavery, even if there were other Southern resentments.
Lincoln ran on no new slave states. Hondo would have told the south that no one was coming to take your slaves
The south didn't believe that. When they seceded Lincoln vowed to save the Union and the north thought they would win rather easily.
It was about slavery for the south. That was was not hugely popular in the north hence the draft riots
Eventually abolishing slavery was a military decision
The Reconstruction was where it was all lost
I don't know how you could have sustained the political will to keep Reconstruction going. Face facts, the old Southern Rat party members were irredeemable racists and you were going to have to slaughter even more of them before they would agree with equality for the newly freed slaves. By 1876 even the Northern Republicans has lost the will to keep Reconstruction going. As is said over and over, Slavery is this country's original sin and we will continue to pay a price for it now that the Cultural and political Marxists have realized their ability to capitalize on racial animosity to achieve their political goals.
The goal that you and I grew up with of achieving a color blind society is fucking dead and the left has zero interest in ever achieving that goal, there are far too many benefits to them politically going in the other direction.
It wasn't a war fought to perpetuate slavery, it was a war fought to free the fucking slaves. Which it did, incidentally.
The Civil War has a much better racial connotation than say, the name Oregon or Oregon State.
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It was because the South didn't feel they would have a voice in the union anymore. It wasn't fought over slavery.
Half truth. Noble, "lost cause" myth.
The chief concern they had regarding not having a voice was the threat to the institution of slavery. Each state made a proclamation on their reasons for leaving. You can find those statement online. Why not believe them?
It wasn't a war fought to perpetuate slavery, it was a war fought to free the fucking slaves. Which it did, incidentally.
The Civil War has a much better racial connotation than say, the name Oregon or Oregon State.
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It was because the South didn't feel they would have a voice in the union anymore. It wasn't fought over slavery.
Yeah this is revisionist bullshit. Read what the defectors said at the time of secession, not what they said to cast themselves as the victims years later. Read the declarations of secession. Read the cornerstone speech.
It wasn't a war fought to perpetuate slavery, it was a war fought to free the fucking slaves. Which it did, incidentally.
The Civil War has a much better racial connotation than say, the name Oregon or Oregon State.
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It was because the South didn't feel they would have a voice in the union anymore. It wasn't fought over slavery.
Yeah this is revisionist bullshit. Read what the defectors said at the time of secession, not what they said to cast themselves as the victims years later. Read the declarations of secession. Read the cornerstone speech.
The Confederacy was entirely about slavery.
Why do people get emotional over this? I hate the south. But the civil war wasn't over slavery.
It wasn't a war fought to perpetuate slavery, it was a war fought to free the fucking slaves. Which it did, incidentally.
The Civil War has a much better racial connotation than say, the name Oregon or Oregon State.
SoFuckingIrritating.gif
It was because the South didn't feel they would have a voice in the union anymore. It wasn't fought over slavery.
Yeah this is revisionist bullshit. Read what the defectors said at the time of secession, not what they said to cast themselves as the victims years later. Read the declarations of secession. Read the cornerstone speech.
The Confederacy was entirely about slavery.
Why do people get emotional over this? I hate the south. But the civil war wasn't over slavery.
Ask yourself this. If there were no slavery in the US would there have been a Civil War? The South was fighting to be able to keep the institution of slavery. Yeah they had other issues but nearly all of them were tied to keeping slavery.
Why do people even think it has anything to do with the American Civil war? A civil war is basically a war between citizens of the same country/state?
This decision is both arrogant and ignorant
What fucking “decision” driven by virtue signaling shitbird cry-bullies isn’t?
Get in line, Nazi fascist. Otherwise they’ll call you a racist in public and ruin your livelihood, because feelings are more important than facts or context.
Enjoy living under the new rules, which will be made up as things go along.
It wasn't a war fought to perpetuate slavery, it was a war fought to free the fucking slaves. Which it did, incidentally.
The Civil War has a much better racial connotation than say, the name Oregon or Oregon State.
SoFuckingIrritating.gif
It was because the South didn't feel they would have a voice in the union anymore. It wasn't fought over slavery.
Yeah this is revisionist bullshit. Read what the defectors said at the time of secession, not what they said to cast themselves as the victims years later. Read the declarations of secession. Read the cornerstone speech.
The Confederacy was entirely about slavery.
Why do people get emotional over this? I hate the south. But the civil war wasn't over slavery.
Because a. It's a lie. and b. That lie has been used for 150 years to justify all kinds of nonsense.
It wasn't a war fought to perpetuate slavery, it was a war fought to free the fucking slaves. Which it did, incidentally.
The Civil War has a much better racial connotation than say, the name Oregon or Oregon State.
SoFuckingIrritating.gif
It was because the South didn't feel they would have a voice in the union anymore. It wasn't fought over slavery.
Yeah this is revisionist bullshit. Read what the defectors said at the time of secession, not what they said to cast themselves as the victims years later. Read the declarations of secession. Read the cornerstone speech.
The Confederacy was entirely about slavery.
Why do people get emotional over this? I hate the south. But the civil war wasn't over slavery.
Because a. It's a lie. and b. That lie has been used for 150 years to justify all kinds of nonsense.
That's news to me. The north and the south had such drastically different economies and the south originally thought Lincoln had no fucking chance to win the presidency, so when he did they thought they would have no representation and there was no longer any reason to be a part of the union. I thought we were talking history here, feeling a lot of personal attacks against me. Might have to summon the mods.
And it is patently absurd to say that the civil war wasn’t wholly driven by the south and their economic dependency on the institution of slavery.
Sovereign States Rights Is the argument used by someone who wants an excuse to fly the stars and bars down at the track.
You dumb fucks have read a few Google articles on it. Try majoring in it at liberal UW who has no reason not to say, "The South went to war to keep slaves." They didn't though, because that's what lazy people think that don't really give a shit about history.
And it is patently absurd to say that the civil war wasn’t wholly driven by the south and their economic dependency on the institution of slavery.
Sovereign States Rights Is the argument used by someone who wants an excuse to fly the stars and bars down at the track.
You dumb fucks have read a few Google articles on it. Try majoring in it at liberal UW who has no reason not to say, "The South went to war to keep slaves." They didn't though, because that's what lazy people think that don't really give a shit about history.
You still haven't addressed the actual Declarations of Secession or the Cornerstone Speech.
And it is patently absurd to say that the civil war wasn’t wholly driven by the south and their economic dependency on the institution of slavery.
Sovereign States Rights Is the argument used by someone who wants an excuse to fly the stars and bars down at the track.
You dumb fucks have read a few Google articles on it. Try majoring in it at liberal UW who has no reason not to say, "The South went to war to keep slaves." They didn't though, because that's what lazy people think that don't really give a shit about history.
Dude, you’re embarrassing yourself. Go read South Carolina’s Declaration of Secession.
For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.
This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.
On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States.
The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy.
Competition for the biggest population of fags on the west coast is really heating up. Climate Pledge Arena couldn't last a day before being usurped by this news. How will Seattleites respond in this epic showdown?!
That's what happens when you allow them an inch. They take 500 miles.
The Confederate statues might be racist, distasteful etc., but now Lincoln, Warshington, and Teddy is gone, Grant is gone, and in six months it'll be LBJ. Stop appeasing the woke faggots. They won't stop.
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The south didn't believe that. When they seceded Lincoln vowed to save the Union and the north thought they would win rather easily.
It was about slavery for the south. That was was not hugely popular in the north hence the draft riots
Eventually abolishing slavery was a military decision
The Reconstruction was where it was all lost
The goal that you and I grew up with of achieving a color blind society is fucking dead and the left has zero interest in ever achieving that goal, there are far too many benefits to them politically going in the other direction.
The Confederacy was entirely about slavery.
Get in line, Nazi fascist. Otherwise they’ll call you a racist in public and ruin your livelihood, because feelings are more important than facts or context.
Enjoy living under the new rules, which will be made up as things go along.
Sovereign States Rights Is the argument used by someone who wants an excuse to fly the stars and bars down at the track.
For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.
This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.
On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States.
The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy.