An attempt to cut through the shit
With my centrist credentials firmly established, I'd like to know this: just who wants to control us, and what does "control" mean? What's the actual, real, theory? I'm not interested in generalized references to "They" or "Global Elites" or "but Soros", or even "the government". Means nothing to me. Monkeys and stupid people can do that.
What is, say, Gates is up to? Trying to make more money? Really? Trying to rule the world? Through vaccines? What's the actual play here? Injected micro chips? WTF would he care about that? Spreading communism? He was a spy all this time?
Of course I know the government always wants more, and I pretty much dislike government, but WHAT IS THE FUCKING THEORY? Tell me who is meeting where and with whom and when and making assignments? And what is their end game? Are you saying that they planned this virus to soften us up? Or they're just taking advantage of the good fortune and running with it? Either way, for what purpose? What's coming next? Who would want to be heading this up? Is Trump involved?
What I'm getting at is, does anybody here who's currently ranting about Fauci (again, not my friend, so IDRGAF), Gates, the governors, who also allude to other sinister actors and plans, truly have inside intell? What is it? Where did you get it? Why can't I get it? Why do you know so much more than I about secretive organizations that want to do ....?.... bad shit to ...?... the people? I'm not exactly someone who tends to bury his head in the sand. And I'm not stupid. And I have access to the internet. And I can read. And I'm not wedded to political ideology.
Help a guy out. It's an honest question. I'm not pissed or annoyed at anybody. I just never know WTF half of your are talking about. I know government is incompetent. But a lot of Tug theorists make the government sound a lot more competent than I would have ever believed.
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stop talking to me!!!!!!!!!!!Pitchfork51 said:didnt read. want to bang the daughters. etc etc
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Newsom already told us this was an opportunity for Progressives to reshape the economy in a more equitable manner.
No grand conspiracy. Just same old same old statist/socialist gonna socialist.
It's not political though! It's Science! -
This right here is my burden of proof for any grand government led conspiracy.creepycoug said:But a lot of Tug theorists make the government sound a lot more competent than I would have ever believed.
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I don’t know anything about what you wrote (I only read 19% of it).
But I do know this is pretty common knowledge.
https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/gov-newsom-coronavirus-is-opportunity-for-reimagining-a-more-progressive-era/ -
Right, I get some far left leaning governor being an opportunist and popping off. But a lot of what I hear and read at least loosely implies broad and sophisticated coordination at the highest levels. And few are immune. Sure, Gates believes in vaccines. So do it. Maybe we're both wrong. But is he coordinating with others in secret to do more than push vaccines? Is it merely a pathway for him to exercise control? If so, why?UW_Doog_Bot said:Newsom already told us this was an opportunity for Progressives to reshape the economy in a more equitable manner.
No grand conspiracy. Just same old same old statist/socialist gonna socialist.
It's not political though! It's Science!
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Yeah, @UW_Doog_Bot raised that. I'm looking for more than popping off, because people seem to be suggesting a lot more is going on than just political rhetoric or wishful thinking.MikeDamone said:I don’t know anything about what you wrote (I only read 19% of it).
But I do know this is pretty common knowledge.
https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/gov-newsom-coronavirus-is-opportunity-for-reimagining-a-more-progressive-era/
We've all known that there are politicians who want to see socialism. Doesn't mean broad, coordinated conspiracy with the WHO, Gates and Soros.
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Yep it’s that. Opportunism.UW_Doog_Bot said:Newsom already told us this was an opportunity for Progressives to reshape the economy in a more equitable manner.
No grand conspiracy. Just same old same old statist/socialist gonna socialist.
It's not political though! It's Science!
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Who are the “some people” suggesting?creepycoug said:
Yeah, @UW_Doog_Bot raised that. I'm looking for more than popping off, because people seem to be suggesting a lot more is going on than just political rhetoric or wishful thinking.MikeDamone said:I don’t know anything about what you wrote (I only read 19% of it).
But I do know this is pretty common knowledge.
https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/gov-newsom-coronavirus-is-opportunity-for-reimagining-a-more-progressive-era/
We've all known that there are politicians who want to see socialism. Doesn't mean broad, coordinated conspiracy with the WHO, Gates and Soros.
If only you'd read 23% of the post.
And I think it’s more than a far left governor popping off. We have 3 far left governors who share the same thoughts and will try to do as Newsome suggested. -
I thought we? were cutting through the shit? Are you attempting to talk to OBK and Sleddy in a rational discourse? Lulz
I think there's a lot less "sophisticated coordination" but a LOT MORE "guiding philosophy".
Look no further than our disjointed but monolithic Fed to see how even with disunity a shit ton of damage can be done when enough people think the state is the solution. -
Well, I covered that somewhere after 23% and before 82% of my post.MikeDamone said:
Who are the “some people” suggesting?creepycoug said:
Yeah, @UW_Doog_Bot raised that. I'm looking for more than popping off, because people seem to be suggesting a lot more is going on than just political rhetoric or wishful thinking.MikeDamone said:I don’t know anything about what you wrote (I only read 19% of it).
But I do know this is pretty common knowledge.
https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/gov-newsom-coronavirus-is-opportunity-for-reimagining-a-more-progressive-era/
We've all known that there are politicians who want to see socialism. Doesn't mean broad, coordinated conspiracy with the WHO, Gates and Soros.
If only you'd read 23% of the post.
And I think it’s more than a far left governor popping off. We have 3 far left governors who share the same thoughts and will try to do as Newsome suggested.
I know there are several far left politicians. Doesn't get to what I read a lot of people either outright stating or implying.
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As a centrist, but probably a different kind of one, I'm suspicious of all billionaires including Gaytes. They have way too much power and influence. Gaytes funds a good portion of the WHO.
I see governors arresting surfers and people in cars. Clear government overreach.
I also see huge corporate box stores like Costco, Ghetto Mart, Kroger stores, Home Depot etc. still going. Small businesses get the short end of the stick. They might get loans if they're lucky. It's funny how that works.
I see virtue signaling libtards get mad at "Wuhan Virus" and that label magically went away. They're following CCP propaganda because they're tards. -
Results matter more than motivation. At best and benign this is a massive public policy mistake unseen by me before
Once that happens a crisis will not go to waste
You have to admit there is an attachment to this that is bizarre. Let it fucking go
The people that fucked up are fine with calling everyone a tin foil hat wearing magatard. Takes the light off of a massive fuck up
Plenty of us here from day 1 said DON'T
There is no middle. The bootlicker authorities telling us to listen to experts need to be publicly beaten
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By more equitable, he meant bankrupt the private-sector poor and middle-class while the public union middle-class and rich elites continue to prosper.UW_Doog_Bot said:Newsom already told us this was an opportunity for Progressives to reshape the economy in a more equitable manner.
No grand conspiracy. Just same old same old statist/socialist gonna socialist.
It's not political though! It's Science! -
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The coverup is always worse than the crime. Inslee, Newsome and the modelers fucked up, their motivation to have their actions justified seems more important than actually fixing their mistake. So they double down with more bad decisions to keep themselves relevant and right, hence the moving goalposts.
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Well, come on. The initial response was basically, "but leftist politicians". I know that. I wouldn't have posted War & Peace to that. And unless OBK and Sleddy (btw not really fair to Sleddy to lump him in with OBK) have multiple alt handles, they're not alone in thinking there's a lot going on beneath the surface.UW_Doog_Bot said:I thought we? were cutting through the shit? Are you attempting to talk to OBK and Sleddy in a rational discourse? Lulz
I think there's a lot less "sophisticated coordination" but a LOT MORE "guiding philosophy".
Look no further than our disjointed but monolithic Fed to see how even with disunity a shit ton of damage can be done when enough people think the state is the solution.
Take the vaccines. As far as I can tell, that's not an issue that is automatically political. Sorry; feet taped to the pedals on that. People all over the spectrum have extreme views on that. But there's (what I assume to be rhetoric) that it's all part of some global take-over scheme. Not Bill Gates, a guy we? only ever used to hate because he didn't give a shit about UW football, is on equal footing with Soros, Killary, and the Heinz ketchup people. Or whatever.
I know you boot. You know exactly what I'm talking about here. -
The economy contracted by nearly 5 percent in the first quarter of 2020 due to the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak. The epicenter remains New York City and the greater tri-state area. The West and East Coasts remain the geographic hotspots, all of them with Democratic leaders. So, prior to the easing of the lockdowns, there were stories about rural hotspots popping up. That’s fake news. We’ve entered a period of red-state shaming, with an odious and disgusting narrative that rural states easing their COVID restrictions will get people killed. Worse is the accompanying swipe that the media thinks these people in these states want others to die. We’ve also heard that easing restrictions means you want to kill black people, who have been disproportionately affected by this virus; it’s a mess. And they’re all wrong.
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This is my point. I assume when I wake up in the morning that THAT is what I'm dealing with. And yet I'm surrounded, here and in real life, with people who think it's much, much, much more sinister and coordinated than that.RaceBannon said:Results matter more than motivation. At best and benign this is a massive public policy mistake unseen by me before
Once that happens a crisis will not go to waste
You have to admit there is an attachment to this that is bizarre. Let it fucking go
The people that fucked up are fine with calling everyone a tin foil hat wearing magatard. Takes the light off of a massive fuck up
Plenty of us here from day 1 said DON'T
There is no middle. The bootlicker authorities telling us to listen to experts need to be publicly beaten
See you in Aptos
And I know every single one of you knows exactly to what I'm referring. THAT is what I'm wanting to get a little more flesh on the bone about. -
The governor gang made it clear it was there call. Why wouldn't they get the blame?creepycoug said:
Well, come on. The initial response was basically, "but leftist politicians". I know that. I wouldn't have posted War & Peace to that. And unless OBK and Sleddy (btw not really fair to Sleddy to lump him in with OBK) have multiple alt handles, they're not alone in thinking there's a lot going on beneath the surface.UW_Doog_Bot said:I thought we? were cutting through the shit? Are you attempting to talk to OBK and Sleddy in a rational discourse? Lulz
I think there's a lot less "sophisticated coordination" but a LOT MORE "guiding philosophy".
Look no further than our disjointed but monolithic Fed to see how even with disunity a shit ton of damage can be done when enough people think the state is the solution.
Take the vaccines. As far as I can tell, that's not an issue that is automatically political. Sorry; feet taped to the pedals on that. People all over the spectrum have extreme views on that. But there's (what I assume to be rhetoric) that it's all part of some global take-over scheme. Not Bill Gates, a guy we? only ever used to hate because he didn't give a shit about UW football, is on equal footing with Soros, Killary, and the Heinz ketchup people. Or whatever.
I know you boot. You know exactly what I'm talking about here.
It's been clear that they were wrong for awhile now yet they kept adding restrictions
Why don't you justify that? -
Ok, with Race's post acknowledged, now we're getting somewhere plausible (at least for me). Cover ups are always worse than the original sin. THAT I can believe. Politically saving face.Bob_C said:The coverup is always worse than the crime. Inslee, Newsome and the modelers fucked up, their motivation to have their actions justified seems more important than actually fixing their mistake. So they double down with more bad decisions to keep themselves relevant and right, hence the moving goalposts.
But, then, why doesn't Trump come out firing with guns a blazin'? Is he covering his fuck up? He does seem to vacillate a little on this. One day it's "it's bad. it's really bad." and then next it's "let's go!".
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Reminds me of when a reporter asked Inslee why he allowed Boeing to bring back 27,000 workers but not other manufacturing business or construction and he talked in circles about how important Boeing is as a symbol of the state and shit like that. Not a whole lot of science talk that he keeps saying drives all decisions.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:As a centrist, but probably a different kind of one, I'm suspicious of all billionaires including Gaytes. They have way too much power and influence. Gaytes funds a good portion of the WHO.
I see governors arresting surfers and people in cars. Clear government overreach.
I also see huge corporate box stores like Costco, Ghetto Mart, Kroger stores, Home Depot etc. still going. Small businesses get the short end of the stick. They might get loans if they're lucky. It's funny how that works.
I see virtue signaling libtards get mad at "Wuhan Virus" and that label magically went away. They're following CCP propaganda because they're tards. -
Your wrongcreepycoug said:
This is my point. I assume when I wake up in the morning that THAT is what I'm dealing with. And yet I'm surrounded, here and in real life, with people who think it's much, much, much more sinister and coordinated than that.RaceBannon said:Results matter more than motivation. At best and benign this is a massive public policy mistake unseen by me before
Once that happens a crisis will not go to waste
You have to admit there is an attachment to this that is bizarre. Let it fucking go
The people that fucked up are fine with calling everyone a tin foil hat wearing magatard. Takes the light off of a massive fuck up
Plenty of us here from day 1 said DON'T
There is no middle. The bootlicker authorities telling us to listen to experts need to be publicly beaten
See you in Aptos
And I know every single one of you knows exactly to what I'm referring. THAT is what I'm wanting to get a little more flesh on the bone about.
This board is what it is and it knew more than the experts
Don't blame the people for a massive government fuck up
And if you don't think the left has glommed onto this as their latest hope I can't help you
We tend to use what they say and do against them -
If I like my college kids all over the beaches on spring break can I keep them?RaceBannon said: -
Why is reopening a political issue with people in favor called magatards and worse?
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Unlike most federal politicians, Trump believes in federalism and mostly realizes that the governors of each state know their needs and states more than he does. Treating South Dakota and New York the same in terms of the CCP Virus is asinine. Why even have state governments if the Democrat (or GOP) states need Trump to step in and overrule the governors of NY, CA, OR, and WA who were all overwhelmingly elected by the citizens. Elections have consequences ... and now we? want Trump to save us from the Rat Squad?creepycoug said:
Ok, with Race's post acknowledged, now we're getting somewhere plausible (at least for me). Cover ups are always worse than the original sin. THAT I can believe. Politically saving face.Bob_C said:The coverup is always worse than the crime. Inslee, Newsome and the modelers fucked up, their motivation to have their actions justified seems more important than actually fixing their mistake. So they double down with more bad decisions to keep themselves relevant and right, hence the moving goalposts.
But, then, why doesn't Trump come out firing with guns a blazin'? Is he covering his fuck up? He does seem to vacillate a little on this. One day it's "it's bad. it's really bad." and then next it's "let's go!".
Again, though, there are segments of society, not just the extreme fringe, who think this is all scripted. -
I can't, and am not motivated to. As I said, the first part of your post about it being mishandled is my going assumption. But I mentioned in chapter 13 of my post, a lot of our? fellow citizens are becoming more and more convinced it's a lot more than bungling.RaceBannon said:
The governor gang made it clear it was there call. Why wouldn't they get the blame?creepycoug said:
Well, come on. The initial response was basically, "but leftist politicians". I know that. I wouldn't have posted War & Peace to that. And unless OBK and Sleddy (btw not really fair to Sleddy to lump him in with OBK) have multiple alt handles, they're not alone in thinking there's a lot going on beneath the surface.UW_Doog_Bot said:I thought we? were cutting through the shit? Are you attempting to talk to OBK and Sleddy in a rational discourse? Lulz
I think there's a lot less "sophisticated coordination" but a LOT MORE "guiding philosophy".
Look no further than our disjointed but monolithic Fed to see how even with disunity a shit ton of damage can be done when enough people think the state is the solution.
Take the vaccines. As far as I can tell, that's not an issue that is automatically political. Sorry; feet taped to the pedals on that. People all over the spectrum have extreme views on that. But there's (what I assume to be rhetoric) that it's all part of some global take-over scheme. Not Bill Gates, a guy we? only ever used to hate because he didn't give a shit about UW football, is on equal footing with Soros, Killary, and the Heinz ketchup people. Or whatever.
I know you boot. You know exactly what I'm talking about here.
It's been clear that they were wrong for awhile now yet they kept adding restrictions
Why don't you justify that? -
We were right.RaceBannon said:
Your wrongcreepycoug said:
This is my point. I assume when I wake up in the morning that THAT is what I'm dealing with. And yet I'm surrounded, here and in real life, with people who think it's much, much, much more sinister and coordinated than that.RaceBannon said:Results matter more than motivation. At best and benign this is a massive public policy mistake unseen by me before
Once that happens a crisis will not go to waste
You have to admit there is an attachment to this that is bizarre. Let it fucking go
The people that fucked up are fine with calling everyone a tin foil hat wearing magatard. Takes the light off of a massive fuck up
Plenty of us here from day 1 said DON'T
There is no middle. The bootlicker authorities telling us to listen to experts need to be publicly beaten
See you in Aptos
And I know every single one of you knows exactly to what I'm referring. THAT is what I'm wanting to get a little more flesh on the bone about.
This board is what it is and it knew more than the experts
Don't blame the people for a massive government fuck up
And if you don't think the left has glommed onto this as their latest hope I can't help you
We tend to use what they say and do against them -
I find the billionaire focus to be interesting, from both sides of the aisle. I think the left's critique has always been pretty plain - the mere existence of billionaires is morally offensive to them. I see a lot of billionaire disdain from the right as well, but I'll admit that I'm not always sure what the exact beef is there, though it seems to center around the outsized political power they often wield.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:As a centrist, but probably a different kind of one, I'm suspicious of all billionaires including Gaytes. They have way too much power and influence. Gaytes funds a good portion of the WHO.
I see governors arresting surfers and people in cars. Clear government overreach.
I also see huge corporate box stores like Costco, Ghetto Mart, Kroger stores, Home Depot etc. still going. Small businesses get the short end of the stick. They might get loans if they're lucky. It's funny how that works.
I see virtue signaling libtards get mad at "Wuhan Virus" and that label magically went away. They're following CCP propaganda because they're tards.
And I think to creep's point, what I've always found strange is that no matter which strain of ideology one carries, they always ascribe the most sinister of motivations to these billionaires. Maybe there are some that fit that bill (pick one of Soros or Koch), but by and large few people ever seem to believe that the easiest explanation is true - that billionaires have a certain vision for how they think the world should be, and they use their enormous political power to do so. And they do so with noble intentions. Obviously there's a flaw in the fact that we give them that power in the first place, but I'm always struck at how we quickly jump to player hating before hating the game.
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If this thing was remotely close to as deadly as we were first told there would be no debate. Everyone would know and understand. As it still stands, I know of no one whose even gotten sick, let alone died. And neither have 10s of millions of Americans.RaceBannon said:Why is reopening a political issue with people in favor called magatards and worse?
I’m hearing end of the month though....cord wood
