"if we do a really great job on new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or15 percent?"
That's a quote from it. How would vaccines lower population? Wouldn't they increase it by preventing death?
Come to your own conclusion.
It's from a TED talk on global warming IIRC.
C'mon Sle, these talking points are refuted with just 5 seconds of googling. When you hear something ambiguous, your first reaction shouldn't be "interpret this however I see fit".
"if we do a really great job on new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or15 percent?"
That's a quote from it. How would vaccines lower population? Wouldn't they increase it by preventing death?
Come to your own conclusion.
It's from a TED talk on global warming IIRC.
Has he been questioned on this statement? Could it have been a blunder and what he meant to say was we could lower death by 10-15%?
No, Gates has very coherently laid out countless times why he thinks vaccines can eventually lead to lower population growth, and why he thinks that's a good thing for the planet and our species. It's embarrassing how paper thin this conspiracy theory is.
"if we do a really great job on new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or15 percent?"
That's a quote from it. How would vaccines lower population? Wouldn't they increase it by preventing death?
Come to your own conclusion.
It's from a TED talk on global warming IIRC.
C'mon Sle, these talking points are refuted with just 5 seconds of googling. When you hear something ambiguous, your first reaction shouldn't be "interpret this however I see fit".
I get what you're saying and agree with you but Snopes isn't exactly an unbiased organization. Also, world population is going to fall off the cliff in about 30-40 years but will have nothing to do with Bill Gates.
"if we do a really great job on new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or15 percent?"
That's a quote from it. How would vaccines lower population? Wouldn't they increase it by preventing death?
Come to your own conclusion.
It's from a TED talk on global warming IIRC.
C'mon Sle, these talking points are refuted with just 5 seconds of googling. When you hear something ambiguous, your first reaction shouldn't be "interpret this however I see fit".
I get what you're saying and agree with you but Snopes isn't exactly an unbiased organization. Also, world population is going to fall off the cliff in about 30-40 years but will have nothing to do with Bill Gates.
Regardless of what you think about Snopes, they very clearly articulate Gates's position on it, and there should be no confusion as to why he thinks vaccines and an eventual decline in world population is a good thing.
"if we do a really great job on new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or15 percent?"
That's a quote from it. How would vaccines lower population? Wouldn't they increase it by preventing death?
Come to your own conclusion.
It's from a TED talk on global warming IIRC.
C'mon Sle, these talking points are refuted with just 5 seconds of googling. When you hear something ambiguous, your first reaction shouldn't be "interpret this however I see fit".
I simply found the quote just now. Originally I saw the video and it was very clear. Snopes all you want. I'll draw my conclusion you draw yours but since his daddy was a planned parenthood eugenics guy maybe the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
"if we do a really great job on new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or15 percent?"
That's a quote from it. How would vaccines lower population? Wouldn't they increase it by preventing death?
Come to your own conclusion.
It's from a TED talk on global warming IIRC.
C'mon Sle, these talking points are refuted with just 5 seconds of googling. When you hear something ambiguous, your first reaction shouldn't be "interpret this however I see fit".
I get what you're saying and agree with you but Snopes isn't exactly an unbiased organization. Also, world population is going to fall off the cliff in about 30-40 years but will have nothing to do with Bill Gates.
This will be, and is now in some places, a big deal.
"if we do a really great job on new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or15 percent?"
That's a quote from it. How would vaccines lower population? Wouldn't they increase it by preventing death?
Come to your own conclusion.
It's from a TED talk on global warming IIRC.
C'mon Sle, these talking points are refuted with just 5 seconds of googling. When you hear something ambiguous, your first reaction shouldn't be "interpret this however I see fit".
I simply found the quote just now. Originally I saw the video and it was very clear. Snopes all you want. I'll draw my conclusion you draw yours but since his daddy was a planned parenthood eugenics guy maybe the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
I won't lie, even by Sledog standards, your brazen denial of facts that are right in front of you surprises me. And I thought I was done being surprised.
"if we do a really great job on new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or15 percent?"
That's a quote from it. How would vaccines lower population? Wouldn't they increase it by preventing death?
Come to your own conclusion.
It's from a TED talk on global warming IIRC.
C'mon Sle, these talking points are refuted with just 5 seconds of googling. When you hear something ambiguous, your first reaction shouldn't be "interpret this however I see fit".
I simply found the quote just now. Originally I saw the video and it was very clear. Snopes all you want. I'll draw my conclusion you draw yours but since his daddy was a planned parenthood eugenics guy maybe the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
I won't lie, even by Sledog standards, your brazen denial of facts that are right in front of you surprises me. And I thought I was done being surprised.
"if we do a really great job on new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or15 percent?"
That's a quote from it. How would vaccines lower population? Wouldn't they increase it by preventing death?
Come to your own conclusion.
It's from a TED talk on global warming IIRC.
C'mon Sle, these talking points are refuted with just 5 seconds of googling. When you hear something ambiguous, your first reaction shouldn't be "interpret this however I see fit".
I simply found the quote just now. Originally I saw the video and it was very clear. Snopes all you want. I'll draw my conclusion you draw yours but since his daddy was a planned parenthood eugenics guy maybe the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
I won't lie, even by Sledog standards, your brazen denial of facts that are right in front of you surprises me. And I thought I was done being surprised.
Snopes is "facts"? Talk about brazen.
Lol no, try to keep up. They cited where Gates made his points, and you can read the original transcripts if you bother opening the link. Then you'll understand what he meant by a 10-15% reduction.
Now if you excuse me, I'm gonna go practice some yoga so I can get flexible enough to fuck myself for thinking I could ever explain this to you.
"if we do a really great job on new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or15 percent?"
That's a quote from it. How would vaccines lower population? Wouldn't they increase it by preventing death?
Come to your own conclusion.
It's from a TED talk on global warming IIRC.
Has he been questioned on this statement? Could it have been a blunder and what he meant to say was we could lower death by 10-15%?
No, Gates has very coherently laid out countless times why he thinks vaccines can eventually lead to lower population growth, and why he thinks that's a good thing for the planet and our species. It's embarrassing how paper thin this conspiracy theory is.
That question was for Sled. I didn't read it that Gates was suggesting vaccines would reduce population growth (wouldn't that actually raise growth). I think he said that would come from associated social changes. Not sure what kind of changes vaccines would bring other than improved health and longer life. How would that become associated with social changes reducing population growth? Kind of getting off track from the issue of vaccines but the Snopes statement tried to connect the two.
"if we do a really great job on new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or15 percent?"
That's a quote from it. How would vaccines lower population? Wouldn't they increase it by preventing death?
Come to your own conclusion.
It's from a TED talk on global warming IIRC.
Has he been questioned on this statement? Could it have been a blunder and what he meant to say was we could lower death by 10-15%?
No, Gates has very coherently laid out countless times why he thinks vaccines can eventually lead to lower population growth, and why he thinks that's a good thing for the planet and our species. It's embarrassing how paper thin this conspiracy theory is.
That question was for Sled. I didn't read it that Gates was suggesting vaccines would reduce population growth (wouldn't that actually raise growth). I think he said that would come from associated social changes. Not sure what kind of changes vaccines would bring other than improved health and longer life. How would that become associated with social changes reducing population growth? Kind of getting off track from the issue of vaccines but the Snopes statement tried to connect the two.
Gates's theory has been that vaccines improve global health conditions overall, which counterintuitively reduces population growth. He explains that one of the largest drivers of population growth in third world countries is child mortality rates, and it's been demonstrated that many impoverished families have too many children because they're hedging against the risk that one or more of them will die before adulthood. That results in an over supply of children who eventually become net drains on societal and planetary resources. Reducing that phenomenon, Gates contends, is a good thing for everyone.
Now I'm not a spokesman for this cause and I'm sure there are plenty of legitimate arguments to dispute Gates's theories. However, the talking point being insinuated by Sledog and other similar nut jobs of "Gates wants to use vaccines to kill 10-15% of the population" is clearly not one of them.
My story on vaccines...a good while ago went to South America to go to my Goddaughter's baptism (we were all flying down from Houston). Doctors recommended her getting a bunch of immunizations in pretty short order before the trip. We went, came back, and within a short period of time she got an extremely rare condition where her blood wouldn't clot and it was a mess for months before she got better. I'm sure it was the barrage of vaccines given to her.
My take...vaccines are overall very good for the world. Thinking they are 100% positive and 0% negative is nuts...just like thinking they are 0% positive and 100% negative is. Something I don't think doctors and other medical folks stop to think about. My kids are vaccinated, but I wouldn't let the Drs give them anything early even though it meant an extra couple trips to the doctor. And using 3rd world populations as unknowing test cases for "medical progress" is horrible.
Also think its really creepy/suspicious that Gates was tied to Epstein. Epstein had a lot of crazy Eugenics theories, and Gates spent a lot of time with Epstein...starting after he was originally arrested for molesting minors. Epstein even changed his will last minute to have Boris Nikolic (Gates Foundation’s science adviser) as his fallback executor.
"if we do a really great job on new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or15 percent?"
That's a quote from it. How would vaccines lower population? Wouldn't they increase it by preventing death?
Come to your own conclusion.
It's from a TED talk on global warming IIRC.
Has he been questioned on this statement? Could it have been a blunder and what he meant to say was we could lower death by 10-15%?
No, Gates has very coherently laid out countless times why he thinks vaccines can eventually lead to lower population growth, and why he thinks that's a good thing for the planet and our species. It's embarrassing how paper thin this conspiracy theory is.
That question was for Sled. I didn't read it that Gates was suggesting vaccines would reduce population growth (wouldn't that actually raise growth). I think he said that would come from associated social changes. Not sure what kind of changes vaccines would bring other than improved health and longer life. How would that become associated with social changes reducing population growth? Kind of getting off track from the issue of vaccines but the Snopes statement tried to connect the two.
Gates's theory has been that vaccines improve global health conditions overall, which counterintuitively reduces population growth. He explains that one of the largest drivers of population growth in third world countries is child mortality rates, and it's been demonstrated that many impoverished families have too many children because they're hedging against the risk that one or more of them will die before adulthood. That results in an over supply of children who eventually become net drains on societal and planetary resources. Reducing that phenomenon, Gates contends, is a good thing for everyone.
Now I'm not a spokesman for this cause and I'm sure there are plenty of legitimate arguments to dispute Gates's theories. However, the talking point being insinuated by Sledog and other similar nut jobs of "Gates wants to use vaccines to kill 10-15% of the population" is clearly not one of them.
Thank you. That's the most I've ever learned about his position on the issue ever. Perhaps I should care more? Like you said, there are a lot of claims his position has done more harm than good but again I haven't cared enough to study either position.
It's 11:30 and the slurping of Bill Gates is still continuing.
That's not an argument Cuog.
Whenever I hear someone defend someone I don't like, they're worshiping and slurping.
I think the tone of the thread is a little more even handed than that. Nobody is fucking worshiping Bill Gates. I, myself, am neither a fan nor a detractor. I see what I see.
My story on vaccines...a good while ago went to South America to go to my Goddaughter's baptism (we were all flying down from Houston). Doctors recommended her getting a bunch of immunizations in pretty short order before the trip. We went, came back, and within a short period of time she got an extremely rare condition where her blood wouldn't clot and it was a mess for months before she got better. I'm sure it was the barrage of vaccines given to her.
My take...vaccines are overall very good for the world. Thinking they are 100% positive and 0% negative is nuts...just like thinking they are 0% positive and 100% negative is. Something I don't think doctors and other medical folks stop to think about. My kids are vaccinated, but I wouldn't let the Drs give them anything early even though it meant an extra couple trips to the doctor. And using 3rd world populations as unknowing test cases for "medical progress" is horrible.
Also think its really creepy/suspicious that Gates was tied to Epstein. Epstein had a lot of crazy Eugenics theories, and Gates spent a lot of time with Epstein...starting after he was originally arrested for molesting minors. Epstein even changed his will last minute to have Boris Nikolic (Gates Foundation’s science adviser) as his fallback executor.
I agree; not all good / but mostly a good idea.
As to the picture of Epstein, my guess is that there are a lot of people in pictures standing next to Epstein. The guy was a celebrity chaser and was good at it. He was at a lot of functions. I see it being as no more "creepy" (please to be using another term please) than the fact that Epstein had close ties to Harvard. Until he didn't. Harvard is not a creepy place with creepy people ... in the main. This reminds me of pictures of Trump standing next to some other bad actor (don't remember which) and people crafting the same defense. Epstein posed next to hundreds of famous people because he had access.
I think the topic of Eugenics has been horribly hijacked and seriously taken out of context.
If it turns out that Gates is a really bad dude after all, I will gladly change my position, because notwithstanding Cuog, I'm not a fan boy.
"if we do a really great job on new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or15 percent?"
That's a quote from it. How would vaccines lower population? Wouldn't they increase it by preventing death?
Come to your own conclusion.
It's from a TED talk on global warming IIRC.
C'mon Sle, these talking points are refuted with just 5 seconds of googling. When you hear something ambiguous, your first reaction shouldn't be "interpret this however I see fit".
I simply found the quote just now. Originally I saw the video and it was very clear. Snopes all you want. I'll draw my conclusion you draw yours but since his daddy was a planned parenthood eugenics guy maybe the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
I won't lie, even by Sledog standards, your brazen denial of facts that are right in front of you surprises me. And I thought I was done being surprised.
Snopes is "facts"? Talk about brazen.
Lol no, try to keep up. They cited where Gates made his points, and you can read the original transcripts if you bother opening the link. Then you'll understand what he meant by a 10-15% reduction.
Now if you excuse me, I'm gonna go practice some yoga so I can get flexible enough to fuck myself for thinking I could ever explain this to you.
Montlake wants to watch.
I saw the video. He did no explaining. You can keep your eugenics loons. I don't have to. Yoga away!
My story on vaccines...a good while ago went to South America to go to my Goddaughter's baptism (we were all flying down from Houston). Doctors recommended her getting a bunch of immunizations in pretty short order before the trip. We went, came back, and within a short period of time she got an extremely rare condition where her blood wouldn't clot and it was a mess for months before she got better. I'm sure it was the barrage of vaccines given to her.
My take...vaccines are overall very good for the world. Thinking they are 100% positive and 0% negative is nuts...just like thinking they are 0% positive and 100% negative is. Something I don't think doctors and other medical folks stop to think about. My kids are vaccinated, but I wouldn't let the Drs give them anything early even though it meant an extra couple trips to the doctor. And using 3rd world populations as unknowing test cases for "medical progress" is horrible.
Also think its really creepy/suspicious that Gates was tied to Epstein. Epstein had a lot of crazy Eugenics theories, and Gates spent a lot of time with Epstein...starting after he was originally arrested for molesting minors. Epstein even changed his will last minute to have Boris Nikolic (Gates Foundation’s science adviser) as his fallback executor.
I agree; not all good / but mostly a good idea.
As to the picture of Epstein, my guess is that there are a lot of people in pictures standing next to Epstein. The guy was a celebrity chaser and was good at it. He was at a lot of functions. I see it being as no more "creepy" (please to be using another term please) than the fact that Epstein had close ties to Harvard. Until he didn't. Harvard is not a creepy place with creepy people ... in the main. This reminds me of pictures of Trump standing next to some other bad actor (don't remember which) and people crafting the same defense. Epstein posed next to hundreds of famous people because he had access.
I think the topic of Eugenics has been horribly hijacked and seriously taken out of context.
If it turns out that Gates is a really bad dude after all, I will gladly change my position, because notwithstanding Cuog, I'm not a fan boy.
If it was just a picture I wouldn’t care...he met with Epstein a bunch of times over several years after Epstein was originally arrested/convicted. How does a guy heading a foundation based on helping the little girls of the world do that? Part of the Epstein-MIT media lab connection was a Gates multimillion dollar donation routed/directed by Epstein (go read Farrow’s research on it). Just before he didn’t kill himself Epstein changed his will to have a guy extremely close to Gates as his fallback executor.
Matches with some other things I’ve heard up that way...
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-vaccinations-depopulation/
Now if you excuse me, I'm gonna go practice some yoga so I can get flexible enough to fuck myself for thinking I could ever explain this to you.
Now I'm not a spokesman for this cause and I'm sure there are plenty of legitimate arguments to dispute Gates's theories. However, the talking point being insinuated by Sledog and other similar nut jobs of "Gates wants to use vaccines to kill 10-15% of the population" is clearly not one of them.
My story on vaccines...a good while ago went to South America to go to my Goddaughter's baptism (we were all flying down from Houston). Doctors recommended her getting a bunch of immunizations in pretty short order before the trip. We went, came back, and within a short period of time she got an extremely rare condition where her blood wouldn't clot and it was a mess for months before she got better. I'm sure it was the barrage of vaccines given to her.
My take...vaccines are overall very good for the world. Thinking they are 100% positive and 0% negative is nuts...just like thinking they are 0% positive and 100% negative is. Something I don't think doctors and other medical folks stop to think about. My kids are vaccinated, but I wouldn't let the Drs give them anything early even though it meant an extra couple trips to the doctor. And using 3rd world populations as unknowing test cases for "medical progress" is horrible.
Also think its really creepy/suspicious that Gates was tied to Epstein. Epstein had a lot of crazy Eugenics theories, and Gates spent a lot of time with Epstein...starting after he was originally arrested for molesting minors. Epstein even changed his will last minute to have Boris Nikolic (Gates Foundation’s science adviser) as his fallback executor.
Whenever I hear someone defend someone I don't like, they're worshiping and slurping.
I think the tone of the thread is a little more even handed than that. Nobody is fucking worshiping Bill Gates. I, myself, am neither a fan nor a detractor. I see what I see.
As to the picture of Epstein, my guess is that there are a lot of people in pictures standing next to Epstein. The guy was a celebrity chaser and was good at it. He was at a lot of functions. I see it being as no more "creepy" (please to be using another term please) than the fact that Epstein had close ties to Harvard. Until he didn't. Harvard is not a creepy place with creepy people ... in the main. This reminds me of pictures of Trump standing next to some other bad actor (don't remember which) and people crafting the same defense. Epstein posed next to hundreds of famous people because he had access.
I think the topic of Eugenics has been horribly hijacked and seriously taken out of context.
If it turns out that Gates is a really bad dude after all, I will gladly change my position, because notwithstanding Cuog, I'm not a fan boy.
We all saw the photo of Rumsfield on his knees, sucking Sadaam's dick back in the 80's, didn't we?
I saw the video. He did no explaining. You can keep your eugenics loons. I don't have to. Yoga away!
Matches with some other things I’ve heard up that way...